Opposition to Obamacare Becomes Political Liability for GOP Incumbents

[Tahuyaman]

Why is Medicare OK, but Medicare for all is socialism? What are you a socialist now?

Or wait, Medicare for you is OK, but for anyone else it’s socialism, isn’t that right?:lamo

When did I say MEDICARE is ok? I said no one is trying to eliminate it. You really like to move the goal posts a lot.

 

[ataraxia]

When did I say MEDICARE is ok? I said no one is trying to eliminate it. You really like to move the goal posts a lot.

Yeah OK.

 

[skeptic llc]

“ The GOP would never embrace a plan that would take away Americans' favorite programs, right?

Wrong. Rescued from the shadows, Ryan's controversial roadmap is now the template for the GOP's 2012 budget proposal -- the most controversial and comprehensive overhaul of the U.S. entitlement system proposed by a major party in decades.”

Paul Ryan's Budget Gamble: Ending Medicare As We Know It - The Atlantic

It gets confusing, since economic conservatives have wanted to be rid of it for generations. Need cites? (Note -- I am clearly inviting you to challenge this assertion.)

 

[wellwisher]

Getting rid of ObamaCare will help the GOP this fall. The reason is ObamaCare did help the poor and the under and uninsured. However, it hurt the healthy and self reliant middle class, because of the ever rising premiums. The mandate forced everyone to buy insurance, thereby artificially increasing demand for limited medical goods and services; law of supply and demand. This caused prices to sky rocket.

The poor and needy, who already depend on big government, will still vote Democrat, so there will be no gain or loss for the GOP. The middle class, which is common to both parties, will vote GOP, since they were screwed by the Democrat big government mandate approach. This helped Trump in 2016 expand his base. The Democrat firmed their base but did not grow it.

When Trump got rid of the individual mandate, the artificially induced demand relaxed and the supply was left higher. This alone can lower prices. The system is now being set up for transparency and competition. Trump was smart to wait until the investment in logistics was committed and the supply was more in tune with the sure thing mandate, but without the mandate. Now prices will fall unless the Democrats are willing to sabotage the middle class for their own power grab. The blue color Democrats know this and will not allow it to happen. They will vote for Trump and give the GOP both houses os this can get done.

 

[Greenbeard]

Getting rid of ObamaCare will help the GOP this fall. The reason is ObamaCare did help the poor and the under and uninsured. However, it hurt the healthy and self reliant middle class, because of the ever rising premiums. The mandate forced everyone to buy insurance, thereby artificially increasing demand for limited medical goods and services; law of supply and demand. This caused prices to sky rocket.

Except price growth for medical goods and services fell after the ACA passed. Health care price growth was below 2% for almost the entire last decade, and indeed was generally closer to 1% (we even saw hospital prices drop year-over-year at one point, the first time that's ever happened).

Meanwhile, premiums for the employer-sponsored coverage that ~170 million Americans have (and most middle class folks have) grew at some of the lowest rates ever recorded after the ACA passed.

Indeed, all spending on health care in the U.S. grew at some of the lowest rates ever seen in the years after the ACA went into effect.

Empirically, what you're saying is simply nonsense.

The system is now being set up for transparency and competition.

No kidding, that's what the ACA does.

 

[Greenbeard]

GOP incumbent senators continue to be garbage.

Republican senators in tough races obscure their position on pre-existing conditions

Republican senators facing tough re-election fights this fall are expressing support for insurance protections for people with pre-existing medical conditions, running ads at odds with their own recent votes and policy positions.

The latest example came Tuesday when Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Colo., who has voted repeatedly to repeal the Obamacare law that established those federal protections, released an emotional ad in which he sits with his mother and discusses her successful battle with cancer.

Gardner is one of several Republicans to obscure their record on pre-existing conditions as rising public support for Obamacare turns the issue into a liability for senators who have voted to repeal it.

But as a member of the House in 2017, McSally voted for legislation that would unwind much of the ACA and allow states to apply for an exemption from rules that prohibit insurers from charging people more if they have a pre-existing condition.

Perdue and Daines voted to advance the Senate repeal-and-replace measure in 2017. Daines also voted to repeal the ACA without a replacement as a member of the House in 2013.

 

[skeptic llc]

Except price growth for medical goods and services fell after the ACA passed. Health care price growth was below 2% for almost the entire last decade, and indeed was generally closer to 1% (we even saw hospital prices drop year-over-year at one point, the first time that's ever happened).

Meanwhile, premiums for the employer-sponsored coverage that ~170 million Americans have (and most middle class folks have) grew at some of the lowest rates ever recorded after the ACA passed.

Indeed, all spending on health care in the U.S. grew at some of the lowest rates ever seen in the years after the ACA went into effect.

Empirically, what you're saying is simply nonsense.



No kidding, that's what the ACA does.

Sadly, none of that matters when we have an electorate that opposes knowledge.