Opposed to legal medical Marijuana? I have a question for you...

[Pinkie]

Sort of institutionalizing yourself, there's really no situation where you can guarantee that nothing coult happen, and even then that's not necessarily 100% true.



No, it's not a morally neutral act, and I'm not sure how you got that idea out of my post.



Still not interested. No more than my father was when he was dying of cancer.



It is what it is. If Fate wants me to be blind, they'll find a way to make it so, regardless.

Well, you have the courage of your convictions, Tigger. Not everyone does, and while I wish you'd protect your sight, I do admire your courage.

 

[Binary_Digit]

The study is 2 days old. When did you see it?

Which study is 2 days old? The one linked in the article is dated July 30, 2012 (received for review April 23, 2012).

Persistent cannabis users show neuropsychological decline from childhood to midlife

I saw it before because it was already a topic in these forums a couple months ago:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...4-cannabis-smoking-permanently-lowers-iq.html

 

[Tigger]

Well, you have the courage of your convictions, Tigger. Not everyone does, and while I wish you'd protect your sight, I do admire your courage.

It's less courage and more understanding that there is nothing we can do to change the thread of our lives as woven by the Fates themselves. We can only postpone the inevitable.

 

[Pinkie]

It's less courage and more understanding that there is nothing we can do to change the thread of our lives as woven by the Fates themselves. We can only postpone the inevitable.

Interesting POV. What if you are fated to smoke dope and save your sight?

 

[Tigger]

Interesting POV. What if you are fated to smoke dope and save your sight?

Then it will happen despite my protestations, and probably just before the end of my life.

 

[Peter Grimm]

Are you a doctor? Have you dedicated the better part of your life to studying medicine? If not, then what makes you think you should have any say in what doctors prescribe to their patients?

So all doctors always know best when it comes to what to prescribe their patients?

Here's the problem with that theory. Say I really want to score some weed for my "knee injury." Ouch. I go to one doctor, he says "no." I go to another, he says "no." There is nothing in our system today that would stop me from going to as many doctors as it takes until one gives me the "yes" I want.

And now I've got weed.

Don't you know what happened to Michael Jackson? His doctor prescribed him a bunch of crazy ****, and now he's dead.

In the real world, you can get a doctor to prescribe you whatever you want.

I see no reason medicinal marijuana ought to be legal.

 

[Binary_Digit]

So all doctors always know best when it comes to what to prescribe their patients?

Here's the problem with that theory. Say I really want to score some weed for my "knee injury." Ouch. I go to one doctor, he says "no." I go to another, he says "no." There is nothing in our system today that would stop me from going to as many doctors as it takes until one gives me the "yes" I want.

And now I've got weed.

Don't you know what happened to Michael Jackson? His doctor prescribed him a bunch of crazy ****, and now he's dead.

In the real world, you can get a doctor to prescribe you whatever you want.

Any prescription drug can be abused, but I don't think that's a good reason to categorically prohibit it from being proscribed for legitimate ailments where patients can actually benefit from it.

I see no reason medicinal marijuana ought to be legal.

I see no reason why it ought to be illegal. Marijuana has been well documented to relieve symptoms of several ailments including glaucoma and post-chemotherapy nausea. There are alternative medicines for these symptoms, but for some people they have side effects that smoked marijuana doesn't have, or they are ineffective compared to smoked marijuana. In the end, if there is no abuse, it's nobody's business except the doctor and the patient.

 

[Peter Grimm]

Except there IS abuse. Rampant abuse. Many if not most people get the drug to get high, not for medicinal purposes.

You'll be happy to know, though, that they have developed an alternative to standard medical marijuana.... which has the pain-relieving effects of cannabis without getting you "high." The THC has been removed.

Since I'm sure all you really care about is the medicinal value of marijuana, I'm sure this will be a happy compromise for everyone.

Any prescription drug can be abused, but I don't think that's a good reason to categorically prohibit it from being proscribed for legitimate ailments where patients can actually benefit from it.


I see no reason why it ought to be illegal. Marijuana has been well documented to relieve symptoms of several ailments including glaucoma and post-chemotherapy nausea. There are alternative medicines for these symptoms, but for some people they have side effects that smoked marijuana doesn't have, or they are ineffective compared to smoked marijuana. In the end, if there is no abuse, it's nobody's business except the doctor and the patient.

 

[Binary_Digit]

Except there IS abuse. Rampant abuse. Many if not most people get the drug to get high, not for medicinal purposes.

Do you think that all prescription drugs should be pulled from the shelves because they are being abused, or just marijuana? Why single out marijuana?

You'll be happy to know, though, that they have developed an alternative to standard medical marijuana.... which has the pain-relieving effects of cannabis without getting you "high." The THC has been removed.

What's it called? Do you have a link that describes it?

 

[lyons19901]

i believe he may be referring to a strain of MJ called Avidekel recently created by an Israeli company

 

[Binary_Digit]

i believe he may be referring to a strain of MJ called Avidekel recently created by an Israeli company

If Avidekel has almost no THC then it's not a suitable replacement for chemo patients. THC is what helps them regain their appetite (and, incidentally, is what causes the munchies). That's why they extract the THC from cannabis to make Marinol. (But pills are hard to keep down when you're nauseated, and Marinol gives some people rashes and other side-effects that smoked marijuana does not.)

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Except there IS abuse. Rampant abuse. Many if not most people get the drug to get high, not for medicinal purposes.

You'll be happy to know, though, that they have developed an alternative to standard medical marijuana.... which has the pain-relieving effects of cannabis without getting you "high." The THC has been removed.

Since I'm sure all you really care about is the medicinal value of marijuana, I'm sure this will be a happy compromise for everyone.

So what is fueling your moral outrage? Do you feel that you should be in control of other people's lives? I can't find a victim in any of this.

Are you opposed to everything that can get you a "high"? Cough syrup? Alcohol? Paint?

 

[Peter Grimm]

I'm opposed to bullshyt.

If you want to get high, that's your business. Don't lie about it and say it's "medicinal."

Tell it like it is.

So what is fueling your moral outrage? Do you feel that you should be in control of other people's lives? I can't find a victim in any of this.

Are you opposed to everything that can get you a "high"? Cough syrup? Alcohol? Paint?

 

[RabidAlpaca]

I'm opposed to bullshyt.

If you want to get high, that's your business. Don't lie about it and say it's "medicinal."

Tell it like it is.

Well, the medical benefits are factual. Until the moral crusaders legalize it, we'll have to use the system to our benefit.

 

[Peter Grimm]

Or move to Colorado, where they're outright legalizing it this election cycle.

Well, the medical benefits are factual. Until the moral crusaders legalize it, we'll have to use the system to our benefit.

 

[lyons19901]

Or move to Colorado, where they're outright legalizing it this election cycle.

the problem would still be the federal drug laws. while moving to a state that has decriminalized it may make it easier on someone it doesn't mean that they cant still be targeted by federal raids.(unlikely as that is)
MJ has valid medical uses. If some people are getting medical MJ with out having a valid medical reason that means there is a problem with how its prescribed. I have yet to see a study that shows people with actual medical reasons for ingesting MJ are abusing it.