Opposed to legal medical Marijuana? I have a question for you...

[Binary_Digit]

Are you a doctor? Have you dedicated the better part of your life to studying medicine? If not, then what makes you think you should have any say in what doctors prescribe to their patients?

 

[tessaesque]

Doctors aren't the ones studying medicine. Pharmaceutical companies and research scientists are.

Most doctors prescribe the medications promoted to them by the drug companies that have created them after the research scientists have run them through all of the necessary tests.

Not that I oppose medical (or recreational) marijuana...but you should at least ensure your argument is valid.

 

[Binary_Digit]

Doctors aren't the ones studying medicine. Pharmaceutical companies and research scientists are.

Most doctors prescribe the medications promoted to them by the drug companies that have created them after the research scientists have run them through all of the necessary tests.

Not that I oppose medical (or recreational) marijuana...but you should at least ensure your argument is valid.

Sorry but that's just splitting hairs. The question should be clear enough to understand and easy enough to answer without irrelevant distractions like that.

 

[tessaesque]

Sorry but that's just splitting hairs. The question should be clear enough to understand and easy enough to answer without irrelevant distractions like that.

It's actually pretty important to your point.

Why SHOULD somebody trust a doctor to prescribe medical marijuana anymore than you'd trust Joe Blow on the street when he says you shouldn't use it? Neither one of them is ultimately any more familiar with the actually affects of marijuana than the other, because marijuana hasn't been run through the same processes as any other prescription drug.

 

[Binary_Digit]

lpast likes this.

Funny, one of the main people who I wanted to answer, and all he did was drive-by-thank a strawman. Maybe he'll be back when there's more time.

 

[Binary_Digit]

It's actually pretty important to your point.

Why SHOULD somebody trust a doctor to prescribe medical marijuana anymore than you'd trust Joe Blow on the street when he says you shouldn't use it? Neither one of them is ultimately any more familiar with the actually affects of marijuana than the other, because marijuana hasn't been run through the same processes as any other prescription drug.

I would think the spirit of intent behind the question is still obvious.

 

[ksu_aviator]

A peer reviewed study concludes that persistent cannabis use leads to neuropsychological decline. For you cannabis users, that means they get stupider, dude:

Persistent Cannabis Users Show Neuropsychological Decline from Childhood to Midlife – Journalist's Resource: Research for Reporting, from Harvard Shorenstein Center

 

[Binary_Digit]

A peer reviewed study concludes that persistent cannabis use leads to neuropsychological decline. For you cannabis users, that means they get stupider, dude:

Persistent Cannabis Users Show Neuropsychological Decline from Childhood to Midlife – Journalist's Resource: Research for Reporting, from Harvard Shorenstein Center

1. That's talking about children using marijuana. It's been known for a long time that there are health risks associated with children using marijuana.
2. I could find a similar list for just about every perscription drug in existence. That says nothing about the validity of prescribing it as a medicine, nor does it explain why non-medical professionals feel they have enough medical expertise to make medical decisions on behalf of medical experts who know better.

 

[ksu_aviator]

1. That's talking about children using marijuana. It's been known for a long time that there are health risks associated with children using marijuana.
2. I could find a similar list for just about every perscription drug in existence. That says nothing about the validity of prescribing it as a medicine, nor does it explain why non-medical professionals feel they have enough medical expertise to make medical decisions on behalf of medical experts who know better.

Maybe you should read the article. Many of the users began AFTER 18. The childhood reference is just to start a baseline when the individuals were most likely to have never smoked. It isn't that we know better, it is that we know studies from people that know better.

 

[Binary_Digit]

Maybe you should read the article. Many of the users began AFTER 18. The childhood reference is just to start a baseline when the individuals were most likely to have never smoked. It isn't that we know better, it is that we know studies from people that know better.

I did read it, and I had seen it before so I've even read it twice now. Did you notice this bullet in that article?

- Adult-onset cannabis users did not appear to experience IQ decline, indicating that adolescents’ developing brains could be uniquely vulnerable to early pot use.

So perhaps I misspoke the word "children" and should have said this is talking about "adolescents," not adults. And, again, with any prescription drug there are risks, side-effects, and potential problems after prolonged use. MJ is no exception, but that alone is not a good reason to disallow medical professionals from prescribing it to their patients.

 

[ksu_aviator]

I did read it, and I had seen it before so I've even read it twice now. Did you notice this bullet in that article?

- Adult-onset cannabis users did not appear to experience IQ decline, indicating that adolescents’ developing brains could be uniquely vulnerable to early pot use.

So perhaps I misspoke the word "children" and should have said this is talking about "adolescents," not adults. And, again, with any prescription drug there are risks, side-effects, and potential problems after prolonged use. MJ is no exception, but that alone is not a good reason to disallow medical professionals from prescribing it to their patients.

The study is 2 days old. When did you see it?

 

[ChuckBerry]

The study is 2 days old. When did you see it?

What difference does that make?

 

[ksu_aviator]

What difference does that make?

He said he saw the study before and I want to know when...or did he just make that up.

 

[Tigger]

Are you a doctor? Have you dedicated the better part of your life to studying medicine? If not, then what makes you think you should have any say in what doctors prescribe to their patients?

How about this.... some of us believe that there is a higher power to answer to than medicine or the medical profession and a more important type of health than physical health. The health of the Soul, which is greatly diminished by the use of marijuana or any of its derivative drugs.

I will be voting against it here in Massachusetts on November 6th. Even if it becomes legal, I would never use it for anything. Even though I have severe glaucoma of the type that it has been prescirbed for in other places. Nor would my father use it when he was dying of cancer.

 

[Pinkie]

I'm not opposed to legalizing medical marijuana exactly, but I wish that we weren't so stupid about drugs. I would prefer that we legalize it for any use, then tax and regulate it's consumption.

 

[Pinkie]

How about this.... some of us believe that there is a higher power to answer to than medicine or the medical profession and a more important type of health than physical health. The health of the Soul, which is greatly diminished by the use of marijuana or any of its derivative drugs.

I will be voting against it here in Massachusetts on November 6th. Even if it becomes legal, I would never use it for anything. Even though I have severe glaucoma of the type that it has been prescirbed for in other places. Nor would my father use it when he was dying of cancer.

I'm sorry to hear about your eyesight, Tigger.

You aren't explaining to me why you feel no one should get to use marijuana. What gives you the right to cram your religious views down your neighbor's throat?

 

[Helix]

the whole failed war on pot is a farce. i'm not arguing that there aren't medical benefits, but medical marijuana is just a face-saving step into inevitable legalization. they did the same thing during prohibition :

The United States Prohibition of Alcohol - 1920-1933 - The 18th Amendment and the Volstead Act

we should just skip the stupid dance and fully legalize it for adults. it's going to happen. we shouldn't be ruining peoples' lives with criminal records for a plant that is going to be completely legal in a few decades. just legalize it and let people grow it next to the tomatoes.

 

[Green Balls]

There is a vast difference between MJ on the streets and medical MJ. The stuff you get on the streets has a potential to be laced with other drugs, pesticides, unknown ingredients. Same goes for any drug, your chance of getting something pure is only a chance. Regardless of what you spend for it.

I do think patients should have some say in what their doctors prescribe. The amount of pharmacology a doctor gets when they are in school is a semester or two, not comparable to the amount of pharmacology a pharmacist gets in school. Doctors are not on the top of their game when it comes to medicine. They learn from experience. Before you take a doctors advice for a medication, you should be intelligent enough to research that medication before taking it. Medicine is a good thing, don't get me wrong. Be intelligent and work with your doctor, learn about the medicine you are taking and also learn what alternatives are out there. Not all medicine works the same for everyone. That is why there is a variety to treat similar symptoms.

 

[Tigger]

I'm sorry to hear about your eyesight, Tigger.

It is what it is. It's been that way for 35 years, through surgeries, drops, etc... You just get used to dealing with it.

You aren't explaining to me why you feel no one should get to use marijuana. What gives you the right to cram your religious views down your neighbor's throat?

The fact that the neighbor, and the vast super-majority of Americans are too stupid and immoral to make the right decision for themselves.

 

[Pinkie]

It is what it is. It's been that way for 35 years, through surgeries, drops, etc... You just get used to dealing with it.

*Hugs* My eyesight is also horrendous but when I wear my glasses, it ain't bad.

Thank God for computers, eh?

The fact that the neighbor, and the vast super-majority of Americans are too stupid and immoral to make the right decision for themselves.

Why do you feel this moral imperative to manage other people's behavior? Why not just choose for yourself?

BTW, if marijuana really would improve your sight, I wish you'd reconsider. WTH is "immoral" about smoking dope, IYO?

 

[Tigger]

*Hugs* My eyesight is also horrendous but when I wear my glasses, it ain't bad.

Thank God for computers, eh?

Unfortunately glasses don't help for Glaucoma. It's a pressure issue more than anything else. If properly regulated the vision shouldn't be an issue. Computers can sometimes be the worst, with the eye strain.

Why do you feel this moral imperative to manage other people's behavior? Why not just choose for yourself?

Mostly because I have to live in the same society as the rest of you. Morality is the foundation of a society. Without it, society is built on nothing more than quicksand.

BTW, if marijuana really would improve your sight, I wish you'd reconsider. WTH is "immoral" about smoking dope, IYO?

Not going to happen, but thanks for the concern. Lost of eyesight is a small price to pay compared to damage to the soul. Marijuana, like many other things I avoid, creates an altered mental state in which one may not be able to make split-second decisions with proper clarity and focus. THAT is what makes it damaging to the soul.

 

[Pinkie]

Unfortunately glasses don't help for Glaucoma. It's a pressure issue more than anything else. If properly regulated the vision shouldn't be an issue. Computers can sometimes be the worst, with the eye strain.



Mostly because I have to live in the same society as the rest of you. Morality is the foundation of a society. Without it, society is built on nothing more than quicksand.



Not going to happen, but thanks for the concern. Lost of eyesight is a small price to pay compared to damage to the soul. Marijuana, like many other things I avoid, creates an altered mental state in which one may not be able to make split-second decisions with proper clarity and focus. THAT is what makes it damaging to the soul.

Of course it would, but you could first create a safe place before you smoked, so that this was never a problem.

I wan't suggesting you get high and then go drive a car, yanno.

I just wish, with so much at stake, you would reconsider. As you say, it is a morally neutral act, smoking dope. Only the surrounding circumstances could make it otherwise.

BTW, Tigger, I don't think marijuana works on everyone -- it certainly doesn't seem to have any effect on me. But I assume anyone who doesn't get high from it would still have the benefits to his eyesight from its use.

Just a thought....I'd really hate for you to be blind, needlessly.

 

[Tigger]

Of course it would, but you could first create a safe place before you smoked, so that this was never a problem.

I wan't suggesting you get high and then go drive a car, yanno.

Sort of institutionalizing yourself, there's really no situation where you can guarantee that nothing coult happen, and even then that's not necessarily 100% true.

I just wish, with so much at stake, you would reconsider. As you say, it is a morally neutral act, smoking dope. Only the surrounding circumstances could make it otherwise.

No, it's not a morally neutral act, and I'm not sure how you got that idea out of my post.

BTW, Tigger, I don't think marijuana works on everyone -- it certainly doesn't seem to have any effect on me. But I assume anyone who doesn't get high from it would still have the benefits to his eyesight from its use.

Still not interested. No more than my father was when he was dying of cancer.

Just a thought....I'd really hate for you to be blind, needlessly.

It is what it is. If Fate wants me to be blind, they'll find a way to make it so, regardless.

 

[Pinkie]

the whole failed war on pot is a farce. i'm not arguing that there aren't medical benefits, but medical marijuana is just a face-saving step into inevitable legalization. they did the same thing during prohibition :

The United States Prohibition of Alcohol - 1920-1933 - The 18th Amendment and the Volstead Act

we should just skip the stupid dance and fully legalize it for adults. it's going to happen. we shouldn't be ruining peoples' lives with criminal records for a plant that is going to be completely legal in a few decades. just legalize it and let people grow it next to the tomatoes.

Amen, brotherman.

 

[Pinkie]

There is a vast difference between MJ on the streets and medical MJ. The stuff you get on the streets has a potential to be laced with other drugs, pesticides, unknown ingredients. Same goes for any drug, your chance of getting something pure is only a chance. Regardless of what you spend for it.

I do think patients should have some say in what their doctors prescribe. The amount of pharmacology a doctor gets when they are in school is a semester or two, not comparable to the amount of pharmacology a pharmacist gets in school. Doctors are not on the top of their game when it comes to medicine. They learn from experience. Before you take a doctors advice for a medication, you should be intelligent enough to research that medication before taking it. Medicine is a good thing, don't get me wrong. Be intelligent and work with your doctor, learn about the medicine you are taking and also learn what alternatives are out there. Not all medicine works the same for everyone. That is why there is a variety to treat similar symptoms.

I couldn't agree more. I think digsbe suggested that doctors should diagnosis and pharmacists should prescribe -- and I wish this were so.