OPINION:"Democrats... have no message, no leader and nothing to brag about. That leaves a vacuum, which is being filled with one idea: impeaching President Trump."
Yes / No
Leaning Yes / Leaning No
Other: Elaborate
It's a similar strategy the Dems employed in 2004 and 2006. All the GOP has to do is not shoot themselves in the foot. Fortunately for the Dems, the GOP are experts at shooting themselves in the foot. For example, the failure to legislatively repeal the ACA. They can't realistically attempt to repeal it some 70+ times while a Dem is president and not expect fallout when they refuse to pass it once when there's a GOP president. Granted I know it was all political theater but it was also an unnecessary self-inflicted wound.
All they have to do is pass an infrastructure bill by mid 2018 and they SHOULD be fine. But who can say. The GOP don't self-sabotage like Dems but the possibility is always there.
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Efforts to start the process of impeachment against U.S. President Donald Trump, who took office in 2017, have been initiated by U.S. Representatives Al Green andBrad Sherman, both Democrats.[1][2] Other people and groups have asserted that Trump has engaged in impeachable activity during his presidency.[3][4] Talk of impeachment began before Trump took office. [5][6]. Efforts began after a series of events in May 2017.[7][8][9] The likelihood of impeachment during 2017–18 is seen as remote, since Republicans control both the House and the Senate in the 115th United States Congress.[10][11][nb 1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump
True, the GOP don't self-sabotage like Dems, they have different methods of self-sabotage unique unto themselves.
Are you kidding me? Trump ran on a "promise" to cut taxes (now claims to have done that), spend $1T on infrastructure, spend more on the military, enact TrumpCare (ObamaCare 2.0?) that would cover everybody (exactly how was never addressed) and never once said anything concrete about lowering the deficit or national debt (other than his usual BS on the matter of the federal deficit an national debt saying that it would be "wiped out within a few decades" by "winnning").
OPINION:"Democrats... have no message, no leader and nothing to brag about. That leaves a vacuum, which is being filled with one idea: impeaching President Trump."
Yes / No
Leaning Yes / Leaning No
Other: Elaborate
I do agree if Dems place their entire election hopes on opposition to Trump, they may very well come up short but that depends on if there's a massive market correction in the mean time or if Trump starts a pointless and unnecessary war etc.
Dems need to have a message but I think, the last election showed Americans are more progressive than Trump supporters will give the country credit for, yes Trump won but more people, by a pretty healthy margin agreed with and voted for Hillary.
The problem is, Obama 08 genuinely made people feel hopeful that things in America could finally change because it is actually an extreme minority in America, but a powerful one that stands in the way of meaningful change in America, whether that be UHC or whatever... But I think alot of Dem voters realized that, if even someone with the tenacity, the optimism, the charisma of Obama couldn't succeed in breaking Washington to actually accomplish things for everyday people, who could?
No one.
And that's because Washington doesn't serve every day people and neither do most state legislatures, they serve their donors and big corporations and that does go for both parties.
And ironically while many Conservatives will agree with me on that point, they will also largely defend Citizens United which made this problem exponentially worse because it, in essence legalized bribery and unless that decision is overturned and that's unlikely to happen... The situation will only get worse and while you all remain on your Republican/Democrat hamster wheel, the country sinks further into the abyss, most of the wealth rises to the top which Trump just made exponentially worse and Big Corporations pick the meat and bones away from the rest of the population and leave it decimated.
So if I understand you correctly, you are saying that the self-sabotage methods between the Democrat party and the Republican party are more similar than dissimilar. Correct?
It would be a fair observation that there are similarities, but I'd suspect that there would also be differences, unique unto each of them.
Hmmmm...let me see here. Under Obama, we had by far the longest stretch of private-sector job growth in ALL American history, never mind the fact that on the day he took the job, he faced the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, faced not one, but TWO highly unpopular wars, AND had to deal with the worst degree of political opposition faced by any president since Lincoln. Yet in your world, we never did anything good or right!
Um, yeah, we DO have a message - it's called PROGRESS. Under Obama, we cut the deficit in half (though conservatives seem to not know the difference between "deficit" and "debt" e.g. Cheney's quote: "Reagan proved deficits don't matter")...whereas now that the GOP controls the whole doggone government, you're blowing up the deficit by at least $1.5 trillion dollars over the next decade. Our message is also SCIENCE - you know, the "S"-word that American conservatives are so offended by...since the rest of the planet - every single nation except for America is sticking by the Paris Accords, and the overwhelming majority of scientists (including almost all the climatologists) strongly agree concerning global warming. But then, why should we be surprised since conservatives don't think college is worth it anymore 'cause education isn't toeing the conservative dogma line...
...which, btw, is how we got to the GOP enthusiastically approving department heads with precisely ZERO experience in those departments! WE put in department heads with PhD's and long years of experience in those fields...but YOU put in a brain surgeon in charge of HUD, a billionaire with NO public education experience in charge of our Department of Education, a governor in charge of the Department of Energy who had publicly stated he wanted to get RID of the Department of Energy - and who didn't know that the DOE is what oversees all our nuclear weapons! Oh, and let's not forget the guys that Your Boy Trump nominated for lifetime judgeships who were deemed NOT QUALIFIED by the American Bar Association...including one idiot who literally had LESS courtroom experience as an attorney than I do! Why the heck do you think people are looking at the GOP as the "party of stupid"? Because y'all are being WILLFULLY stupid!
The message of the Democratic party is PROGRESS - work WITH the rest of the planet, and lead by example and by noblesse oblige...
whereas the message of the GOP is "Burn it ALL down!" - get rid of the Paris Accord, get rid of the TPP, get rid of the Affordable Care Act, get rid of the United Nations, and tear down the freaking Statue of Liberty since it represents our tradition as a nation of IMMIGRANTS.
Horse****. Obama exposed himself as a corporate politician before he was ever elected. Anyone paying attention knew that he was speaking rhetoric about hope and change. Just because people chose to ignore the signs doesn't mean those signs weren't there.But I think alot of Dem voters realized that, if even someone with the tenacity, the optimism, the charisma of Obama couldn't succeed in breaking Washington to actually accomplish things for everyday people, who could?
No one.
The successful politician is one that claims to be for all three sides of a given issue and yet somewhat against it - but that actually does nothing on that issue. Once you propose, or vote for, legislation on that issue then you have a record which your opponents can (and likely will) use against you.
How can republicants, with a straight face, tell you that they are for repeal and replacement of PPACA when they did nothing other than to remove the individual mandate tax penalty while knowing that would increase "private" premium prices? If you think, even for one minute, that the demorats will not use rising MCI premiums and a rising deficit to bash the republicants then you likely have been into the (spiked?) Kool-aid.
Trump is making another huge mistake by constantly pointing to the stock market as being the true measure of his (and, by extension, the republicants) wonderfulness. It is an extremely bad bet to count on the stock market continuing to rise, much less not dropping, before the 2018 elections. The stock market reacts to world events, many of which Trump has no control over.
Horse****. Obama exposed himself as a corporate politician before he was ever elected. Anyone paying attention knew that he was speaking rhetoric about hope and change. Just because people chose to ignore the signs doesn't mean those signs weren't there.
Horse****. Obama exposed himself as a corporate politician before he was ever elected. Anyone paying attention knew that he was speaking rhetoric about hope and change. Just because people chose to ignore the signs doesn't mean those signs weren't there.
If you are equating the progressive movement with progress, I'd have to disagree, I wouldn't call the progressive agenda as progress. I know that you'll disagree.
PhD's vs other experience, that's academic theory vs. practical experience. Since when does academic theory do well in the real world? Recall the number of start ups founded by PhDs, who then are tossed out / volunteer to leave because business didn't run according to theory. In the real world, practical experience I think it probably better, especially when managed against measurable results. My opinion only, everyone is entitled to their own.
OPINION:"Democrats... have no message, no leader and nothing to brag about. That leaves a vacuum, which is being filled with one idea: impeaching President Trump."
Yes / No
Leaning Yes / Leaning No
Other: Elaborate
What experience did Ben Carson have with HUD? Zero.
What experience did DeVos have with Public Education? Zero.
What experience did Rick Perry have with the Department of Energy? Zero.
And four of his nominees for judgeships were deemed NOT QUALIFIED by the American Bar Association.
But wait! Let's not stop there!
What experience did Tillerson have with international diplomacy? Zero.
What experience did Kushner bring to his "Middle East peace" mission? Zero.
But hey - there's one who DID have experience - Michael Flynn had lots of intel experience! Just ask the Turks who employed him as a spy, and the Kremlin that considered him a "Friend of Russia"!
I tend to agree with this. The Dems have a golden opportunity, but it requires some honest self-evaluation, and they've been loathe to do that. They have done nothing to address their message, or put forth any viable candidates for President (or Congress). Their whole premise seems to be "But we're not Trump", which *might* work but would require cooperation of the Reps and Trump to be total idiots.
Which may happen, as well, but it's not something a party should bank on.
Bottom line: The Dems are squandering their opportunity.
OPINION:"Democrats... have no message, no leader and nothing to brag about. That leaves a vacuum, which is being filled with one idea: impeaching President Trump."
Yes / No
Leaning Yes / Leaning No
Other: Elaborate
I think the Democratic Party is in a better position than the GOP. The GOP has Trump and GWB. Neither are popular. The Democratic Party has Obama and the Clinton's, and the Obama's seem pretty popular post office. Obama is a democratic party leader, but, of course, he cannot be president again.
The GOP holds a majority but they are not effective at governing.
The Democrats appear to be splitting along establishment and anti establishment lines, so it's hard to say where they are headed as well.
In closing, I would say neither party is popular. Both establishments are out of favor with the general population, but at least the Democrats have a popular former president, whereas, the GOP has none.
OPINION:"Democrats... have no message, no leader and nothing to brag about. That leaves a vacuum, which is being filled with one idea: impeaching President Trump."
Yes / No
Leaning Yes / Leaning No
Other: Elaborate
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