Open Season On Gun Laws, They Will Be Struck Down

[soylentgreen]

Then we're good here.

Deja vu

 

[RF667799]

Are we? So far you cannot even think of a good reason to own a gun. Yet you do.

And many of the reasons pro gun people use are not that well thought out.

Seems like we are back to square one. You have been told you have the right and like a good sheeple you exercised that right. For no reason at all.

You just got done saying nobody has to justify their reasons to you. That you continue to press people for their reasons anyway, is rather silly.

 

[DebateChallenge]

I did not say any such thing.

You claim there is no corruption in your government.

True, but in your case it really is just the pathetic response of you cannot even do anything so do nothing.

No my response is that you should do something, which has continuously flown over your head.

 

[soylentgreen]

You claim there is no corruption in your government.

No my response is that you should do something, which has continuously flown over your head.

I made no such claim. Nor should my countries lack of corruption in comparison to your country be an issue. We have a different form of governance to america.


We have been over this before. My reply to your saying we should do something was to point out that your something was nothing more than rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. It is not just the fact that your politicians are corrupt. It is the very form of your governance created by the founders that has become corrupt.
So in essence because of the refusal of many americans to make changes means that you cannot actually do anything about your corruption. Exposing the occasional politician is only the symptom, not the cause.

 

[RF667799]

I made no such claim. Nor should my countries lack of corruption in comparison to your country be an issue. We have a different form of governance to america.


We have been over this before. My reply to your saying we should do something was to point out that your something was nothing more than rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic. It is not just the fact that your politicians are corrupt. It is the very form of your governance created by the founders that has become corrupt.
So in essence because of the refusal of many americans to make changes means that you cannot actually do anything about your corruption. Exposing the occasional politician is only the symptom, not the cause.

But why do you say nobody has to justify to you their reason for owning a gun, and then turn around and press for their reasons?

 

[soylentgreen]

But why do you say nobody has to justify to you their reason for owning a gun, and then turn around and press for their reasons?

For the same reason that so many of the gun pro keep saying they need no reason.

 

[RF667799]

For the same reason that so many of the gun pro keep saying they need no reason.

Oh. Well I have reason.

 

[bomberfox]

You may have a point. Nobody has been able to find a jury that will buy the bullshit that gun manufacturers advertise their products specifically to appeal to mass murderers or to be used for the purpose of murder at all.

Just for training young’uns to get em into the war machine while they are young, just America’s war machine.

 

[bomberfox]

Talk about an awkward analogy...but....ever ate conch? It's pretty good.

It is quite true.

 

[RF667799]

It is quite true.

I liked them fried. Conch fritters. They have to be tenderized with a mallet. Breaded and fried, they're great with a rum punch, or even a beer.

 

[bomberfox]

I liked them fried. Conch fritters. They have to be tenderized with a mallet. Breaded and fried, they're great with a rum punch, or even a beer.

Ill keep that in mind next i go sailing in Indiana.

 

[RF667799]

Ill keep that in mind next i go sailing in Indiana.

Never had freshwater clams, but some say they're okay.

Edit: I just looked, and you can order conch online. Fresh in the shell, or canned. Sailing isn't really a necessary part of eating conch, anyway.

 

[DebateChallenge]

For the same reason that so many of the gun pro keep saying they need no reason.

Here in the USA you don't need a reason, other then the fact that you're choosing to exercise a constitutional right.

 

[Maidenrules29]

Gun owners need to stop their needless crying and whining, and recognize that the real world requires compromise and common sense for gun ownership

Tell that to the criminals.

 

[DebateChallenge]

Gun owners need to stop their needless crying and whining, and recognize that the real world requires compromise and common sense for gun ownership

The gun control crowd does not want compromise they just want it all. With a proper compromise both sides gain something and both sides give something up. The gun control crowd has yet to give anything up.

 

[Rich2018]

Anyone who wishes, can travel to Cuba.

Except US citizens.

The US government can not stop you, nor do they have any authority to stop you. They can restrict travel directly from the US, and that is it.

Oh yes it can

How many flights are there from the USA to Cuba ?

What happens to a US citizen, who goes to Cuba (without US government authority) and then returns to the USA ?

Of course you can. The 1st amendment specifically protects your right to do so.

So please can you explain the law that forbids the Communist party in the USA, forbids freedom of association and the publication of communist newspapers/magazines etc

Did you not read the link I gave regarding the Communist Control Act (1954). Are you under the impression that it was repealed ?

Communist Control Act of 1954 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[rahl]

Except US citizens.

US citizens can travel to canada.

Oh yes it can

nope

How many flights are there from the USA to Cuba ?

None. As I said, they can stop direct travel from the US to Cuba. That's it.

What happens to a US citizen, who goes to Cuba (without US government authority) and then returns to the USA ?

nothing

So please can you explain the law that forbids the Communist party in the USA, forbids freedom of association and the publication of communist newspapers/magazines etc

huh?

Did you not read the link I gave regarding the Communist Control Act (1954). Are you under the impression that it was repealed ?

There is no law that does or can forbit a communist party, communist organizations, or communist beliefs in the US. The US constitution precludes such a law.

 

[Rich2018]

US citizens can travel to canada.

But not Cuba.

nope

Contradiction is not an argument
The US government can most definitely erect barriers to you going to Cuba, and levy sanctions (both financial and penal upon your return) if you do go

Don't believe me, Google it.

None. As I said, they can stop direct travel from the US to Cuba. That's it.

And sanction you upon your return to the USA - up to and including jail time.

huh

A perfectly reasonable question
Can you explain (the existence of),the law that forbids the Communist party in the USA, forbids freedom of association and the publication of communist newspapers/magazines etc

There is no law that does or can forbit a communist party, communist organizations, or communist beliefs in the US. The US constitution precludes such a law.

It's called the "Communist Control Act of 1954"
(and I already linked to it above).

 

[rahl]

But not Cuba.

yes, they can travel to cuba

Contradiction is not an argument

I know. Which is why I don't contradict, but refute.

The US government can most definitely erect barriers to you going to Cuba, and levy sanctions (both financial and penal upon your return) if you do go

Nope. They can only prevent you from traveling directly from the US to Cuba.

And sanction you upon your return to the USA - up to and including jail time.

Nope.

A perfectly reasonable question
Can you explain (the existence of),the law that forbids the Communist party in the USA, forbids freedom of association and the publication of communist newspapers/magazines etc

There is no such law.

's called the "Communist Control Act of 1954"
(and I already linked to it above).

No, it isn't.

 

[Rich2018]

yes, they can travel to cuba

Not without government approval, and without facing sanctions (fines and/or imprisonment) upon their return.

I know. Which is why I don't contradict, but refute.

Another mere contradiction.

Nope. They can only prevent you from traveling directly from the US to Cuba.

And sanction you with fines/imprisonment, upon your return to the USA.

Nope.

Yes, the US government really does do this
Just because you're not aware of it, doesn't make it true.

There is no such law.

I just referenced it. Are you saying it's a figment of Wiki's imagination ?
Does Wiki have a habit of detailing the provisions of laws that don't exists ?

Sorry, but the Communist Control Act of 1954, does exist and is still on the statute books today.

No, it isn't.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-68/pdf/STATUTE-68-Pg775.pdf#page=1

 

[DebateChallenge]

But not Cuba.

I believe what rahl is saying is that a US citizen can get a flight from the USA to Canada and in Canada get a flight to Cuba. Its not hard to put two and two together.

 

[rahl]

Not without government approval, and without facing sanctions (fines and/or imprisonment) upon their return.

You don't need govn't approval. The govn't can't sanction or imprison you for traveling to Cuba. They can't stop you. Only from the US to Cuba. Not from another country to Cuba.

Another mere contradiction.

Refutation

And sanction you with fines/imprisonment, upon your return to the USA.

no

Yes, the US government really does do this
Just because you're not aware of it, doesn't make it true.

No, they don't. They have no authority to.

I just referenced it. Are you saying it's a figment of Wiki's imagination ?

I'm saying there is no law that can or does punish a US citizen from traveling to Cuba from another country.

Does Wiki have a habit of detailing the provisions of laws that don't exists ?

Sorry, but the Communist Control Act of 1954, does exist and is still on the statute books today.

And is meaningless, as it is a direct violation of the US constitution.

 

[DebateChallenge]

I'm saying there is no law that can or does punish a US citizen from traveling to Cuba from another country.

Well yes its obvious enough that a country's laws don't apply to you once you cross outside said country's borders as you're outside said country's jurisdiction. For instance if I, as a US citizen, went to Canada and bought and used codeine over the counter I could do that since doing so is legal in Canada unlike in the USA where you need a doctor's prescription to get codeine. The USA could not punish me for doing so and when I came back to the USA, provided I don't bring back any codeine with me, I would not get in trouble for buying and using over the counter codeine while in Canada.

 

[Rich2018]

I believe what rahl is saying is that a US citizen can get a flight from the USA to Canada and in Canada get a flight to Cuba. Its not hard to put two and two together.

Yes, government in the USA cannot prevent you from murdering someone....they can sure help stop murders by sanctioning those who do it with jail time and (depending on the state) up to and including death.

Murder, like unauthorized travel to Cuba (for a US citizen) is illegal.

 

[Rich2018]

You don't need govn't approval. The govn't can't sanction or imprison you for traveling to Cuba. They can't stop you. Only from the US to Cuba. Not from another country to Cuba.

Yes you do
And absolutely it can - go sand learn something about your own country's laws. Because you just don't know what you're talking about.

Refutation

Nope
Stating the contrary without any argument, is contradiction - something else in which you don't know what you're talking about.

no

Yes the government can sanction US citizens, who travel to Cuba without authority to do so.

No, they don't. They have no authority to.

More ignorance from you:

"US law states that US citizens can only travel to Cuba on a 'general license' based on one of 12 different approved categories, which include family visits, educational and religious activities, public performances and exhibitions, and the vague sounding 'support for the Cuban people."

The rules for Americans visiting Cuba in 2022

The US has taken several steps toward thawing US-Cuba relations after five years of tightened restrictions. Here's what Americans need to know about traveling there.

www.lonelyplanet.com

QED: A US citizen needs US government approval to travel to Cuba.

I'm saying there is no law that can or does punish a US citizen from traveling to Cuba from another country.

See above.

And is meaningless, as it is a direct violation of the US constitution.

So you NOW admit you were wrong and that US law DOES prohibit communists from freedom of association, forming communist parties, or publishing editorials like newspapers, magazines and pamphlets ?


Because you said, in reply to my question: "Can you explain the law that forbids the Communist party in the USA, forbids freedom of association...etc"

There is no such law.

And now you try to move the goal posts by saying that there ***IS*** such a law, but that it's unconstitutional
Yet it's stood unchallenged on the statute books for nearly 70 years.