OP: Manchin just got Republicans to admit their ‘election fraud’ concerns are nonsense

[Slartibartfast]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/21/manchin-just-got-republicans-admit-their-election-fraud-concerns-are-nonsense/

Manchin’s compromise completely undercuts Republicans’ case for blocking reform.
It does this by including new requirements to safeguard election security, which is — or was — the top priority of Republicans concerned by “questions” the 2020 election supposedly raised.
For instance, Manchin’s proposal includes a nationwide voter ID requirement, with a relatively broad range of documents allowed (such as utility bills). His framework also allows states to conduct purges of their voter rolls “by utilizing information derived from state and federal documents.”
Manchin also conspicuously omitted Democratic initiatives that Republicans claim (without evidence) lead to voter fraud, such as mandatory same-day voter registration, stand-alone drop boxes and no-excuse absentee voting.

Democrats didn’t love these choices, but key party leaders endorsed Manchin’s framework as a useful compromise all the same.
Republicans, on the other hand, rejected the framework. Immediately, forcefully, unambiguously.
“It needs to be blocked,” remarked Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.), who a week earlier praised Manchin as “saving our country” by encouraging bipartisanship.
The response from the left seems to be that this whole endeavor proves Manchin to be the guileless chump they always suspected he was. He gave Republicans what they said they wanted, and they still rejected his offer out of hand! To which my response is: Yes, he did. But focus on what that says about Republicans.

By ceding ground on “election security” and effectively taking the issue off the table, Manchin just proved Republicans never actually cared about election security. Not election security in the past — i.e., the 2020 presidential election they pretend was “stolen” — and not at some hypothetical point in the future. Their goal was always to use gerrymandering and voter suppression just to make it harder for Democrats to win elections.

Hopefully Manchin figures out that the Republicans are just out to win elections using any excuse they can. They know that they are becoming a minority party and are trying to hold onto power any way they can. Personally though, I don't think this goes far enough as it doesn't really target the suppression efforts we have seen, such as closing voting venues, restricting hours, allowing legislatures to ignore local election officials, etc.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Republicans only care about the fact a Democrat proposed the compromises≥ Joe Manchin is a DINO from one of America's most conservative states, but for some reason only the presence of that D beside his name matters to them.

 

[MamboDervish]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/21/manchin-just-got-republicans-admit-their-election-fraud-concerns-are-nonsense/

Manchin’s compromise completely undercuts Republicans’ case for blocking reform.
It does this by including new requirements to safeguard election security, which is — or was — the top priority of Republicans concerned by “questions” the 2020 election supposedly raised.
For instance, Manchin’s proposal includes a nationwide voter ID requirement, with a relatively broad range of documents allowed (such as utility bills). His framework also allows states to conduct purges of their voter rolls “by utilizing information derived from state and federal documents.”
Manchin also conspicuously omitted Democratic initiatives that Republicans claim (without evidence) lead to voter fraud, such as mandatory same-day voter registration, stand-alone drop boxes and no-excuse absentee voting.

Democrats didn’t love these choices, but key party leaders endorsed Manchin’s framework as a useful compromise all the same.
Republicans, on the other hand, rejected the framework. Immediately, forcefully, unambiguously.
“It needs to be blocked,” remarked Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.), who a week earlier praised Manchin as “saving our country” by encouraging bipartisanship.
The response from the left seems to be that this whole endeavor proves Manchin to be the guileless chump they always suspected he was. He gave Republicans what they said they wanted, and they still rejected his offer out of hand! To which my response is: Yes, he did. But focus on what that says about Republicans.

By ceding ground on “election security” and effectively taking the issue off the table, Manchin just proved Republicans never actually cared about election security. Not election security in the past — i.e., the 2020 presidential election they pretend was “stolen” — and not at some hypothetical point in the future. Their goal was always to use gerrymandering and voter suppression just to make it harder for Democrats to win elections.

Hopefully Manchin figures out that the Republicans are just out to win elections using any excuse they can. They know that they are becoming a minority party and are trying to hold onto power any way they can. Personally though, I don't think this goes far enough as it doesn't really target the suppression efforts we have seen, such as closing voting venues, restricting hours, allowing legislatures to ignore local election officials, etc.

Republican goalposts are not even anchored in the ground - they're on wheels! They have been for decades. Whenever anyone across the aisle even approaches scoring on them, they simply roll the goalpost farther out of range again.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Republican goalposts are not even anchored in the ground - they're on wheels! They have been for decades. Whenever anyone across the aisle even approaches scoring on them, they simply roll the goalpost farther out of range again.

They make good use of the overton window. At least they try to.

 

[Blue Dog]

It is not in the GOPs interest to compromise with the Democratic Party on anything. Any agreement benefits the Biden administration, not the Republicans…

 

[MamboDervish]

They make good use of the overton window. At least they try to.

They certainly do. Better than the Democrats.

 

[MamboDervish]

It is not in the GOPs interest to compromise with the Democratic Party on anything. Any agreement benefits the Biden administration, not the Republicans…

The yardstick should be what benefits the country - not one party or another.

 

[Blue Dog]

The yardstick should be what benefits the country - not one party or another.

Of course.

 

[Surrealistik]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/21/manchin-just-got-republicans-admit-their-election-fraud-concerns-are-nonsense/

Manchin’s compromise completely undercuts Republicans’ case for blocking reform.
It does this by including new requirements to safeguard election security, which is — or was — the top priority of Republicans concerned by “questions” the 2020 election supposedly raised.
For instance, Manchin’s proposal includes a nationwide voter ID requirement, with a relatively broad range of documents allowed (such as utility bills). His framework also allows states to conduct purges of their voter rolls “by utilizing information derived from state and federal documents.”
Manchin also conspicuously omitted Democratic initiatives that Republicans claim (without evidence) lead to voter fraud, such as mandatory same-day voter registration, stand-alone drop boxes and no-excuse absentee voting.

Democrats didn’t love these choices, but key party leaders endorsed Manchin’s framework as a useful compromise all the same.
Republicans, on the other hand, rejected the framework. Immediately, forcefully, unambiguously.
“It needs to be blocked,” remarked Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.), who a week earlier praised Manchin as “saving our country” by encouraging bipartisanship.
The response from the left seems to be that this whole endeavor proves Manchin to be the guileless chump they always suspected he was. He gave Republicans what they said they wanted, and they still rejected his offer out of hand! To which my response is: Yes, he did. But focus on what that says about Republicans.

By ceding ground on “election security” and effectively taking the issue off the table, Manchin just proved Republicans never actually cared about election security. Not election security in the past — i.e., the 2020 presidential election they pretend was “stolen” — and not at some hypothetical point in the future. Their goal was always to use gerrymandering and voter suppression just to make it harder for Democrats to win elections.

Hopefully Manchin figures out that the Republicans are just out to win elections using any excuse they can. They know that they are becoming a minority party and are trying to hold onto power any way they can. Personally though, I don't think this goes far enough as it doesn't really target the suppression efforts we have seen, such as closing voting venues, restricting hours, allowing legislatures to ignore local election officials, etc.

To be clear, there's no three dimensional chess here on Manchin's part; he isn't out to expose anyone. He either legitimately, naively and idiotically believes that a party which has committed to stonewalling Dem priorities for 10+ years can be reasoned with, or, far more likely, he's stalling for time to excuse his inaction and refusal to align with the Dem agenda, while reveling in the power of the pivot.

The dude is also a corrupt mud-dweller; let's not forget he tried to entice his billionaire donor friends to get Roy Blunt onside with a de facto bribe per a cushy post-political appointment, and pulled a 180 on the People's Act almost immediately after the Chamber of Commerce doused him with bribes, er, donations, regurgitating plenty of their talking points in his infamous op-ed:

Leaked Audio of Sen. Joe Manchin Call With Billionaire Donors Provides Rare Glimpse of Dealmaking on Filibuster and Jan. 6 Commission

Manchin urged big-money donors with No Labels to talk to Sen. Roy Blunt about flipping his vote on the commission in order to save the filibuster.

theintercept.com

“Highly suspicious”: Manchin got "reward" from US Chamber before sinking voting bill he co-sponsored

Was Manchin swayed by lobbying from Koch-backed groups and conservatives who helped write voting restrictions?

www.salon.com

 

[GDViking]

Republican goalposts are not even anchored in the ground - they're on wheels! They have been for decades. Whenever anyone across the aisle even approaches scoring on them, they simply roll the goalpost farther out of range again.

Yup Republicans basically wrote the ACA and then all of them voted against it...

 

[American]

The yardstick should be what benefits the country - not one party or another.

The yardstick should be what fulfills the intent of the Constitution, and their oath to it.

 

[American]

Yup Republicans basically wrote the ACA and then all of them voted against it...

That's one of the most debunked hunks of bullshit on the Internet. Try again.

 

[GDViking]

That's one of the most debunked hunks of bullshit on the Internet. Try again.

Didn't get it from the internet followed it in real time as it happened, so maybe you should try again...

 

[Subieguy]

Republican goalposts are not even anchored in the ground - they're on wheels! They have been for decades. Whenever anyone across the aisle even approaches scoring on them, they simply roll the goalpost farther out of range again.

well said and funny!

 

[Slartibartfast]

Republican goalposts are not even anchored in the ground - they're on wheels! They have been for decades. Whenever anyone across the aisle even approaches scoring on them, they simply roll the goalpost farther out of range again.

 

[MamboDervish]

Yup Republicans basically wrote the ACA and then all of them voted against it...

True 'dat! And they're too ignorant of their own history to even remember. It makes you wonder why, if they weren't all born yesterday, why do they act as if they were?

The root of the ACA was Bob Dole's campaign to counter Hilary's "Single Payer" push for Bill Clinton's second term, and then Mitt Romney's policy for Massachusetts. They were all for the mandate - before they were against it!

 

[MamboDervish]

The yardstick should be what fulfills the intent of the Constitution, and their oath to it.

We have a Supreme Court to interpret that.
With Republicans, it's more like "what fulfills their oath to Grover Norquist?", which they observe above and beyond any oath to the Constitution.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

The yardstick should be what benefits the country - not one party or another.

 

[Slartibartfast]

The yardstick should be what fulfills the intent of the Constitution, and their oath to it.

The constitution can be changed (its built into it!) that is meant to benefit the American people. Its not some holy document.

 

[Subieguy]

for sure!!!!!!!