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Only two US states are reporting a decline in new coronavirus cases

Trump is more reliable because he's not politically connected with a family that will do anything to have the Democrats win back the White House ;)

Lol that was a good line, though

How does w/e friendship affect job performance where the rubber meets the road?

Whatchya got?
If all you have is FUD, you can peddle that cheap crap somewhere else.
 
Yeah, and that's an average. Some of my friends who are nurses say their hospitals are already at 100% capacity. I feel like we were left without a paddle.

Sadly, by other countries examples, this tragedy could have been avoided. I hope people aren't waiting for a miracle vaccine. Even if we get one, it won't be 100% effective and will require everyone to get it, maybe yearly. Looking at how well Americans took to social distancing and wearing masks I highly doubt we'll get nearly what we need to get heard immunity.

Maybe after November if Trump loses. Maybe a tiny light at the end of the tunnel?

Far more people are sick and dying from COVID than from blacks dying at the hands of police... it is not even close.


But people barely protested anything about COVID...
 
Yeah and how many have to die before then, because people are politicizing a pandemic? :(

I've never, in all my years, thought I'd live to see something like this politicized.

Never mind the politicization ... people did that over slaves, World Wars and Civil Rights... I never thought that we would have a world wide pandemic that lasted longer than a few months due to modern technology and medical advancements. ...
 
But many of them don't wear masks, and don't practice social distancing. Regarding people who don't wear masks, you said:

So do you support arresting and fining the protesters who don't wear masks?
Feel free to take your whataboutism to a new thread. :2wave:
 
Constant marching and clamoring together is the proven answer.
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Why won't we listen ?

Getting more infected from the constant rioting, er, demonstrating, and not having a lockdown to actually protect those most susceptible to Covid from needing an ICU hospital bed. Wow. This isn't rocket science. It's actually pretty easy to figure out.:roll:
 
That's a part of the problem, but so's this:

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and this:

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Yet we're told being inside stores, bars and restaurants is worse than being outdoors. Which is it? The medical experts haven't really given us a clear direction from the very beginning of this pandemic.
 
Yeah, and that's an average. Some of my friends who are nurses say their hospitals are already at 100% capacity. I feel like we were left without a paddle.

Sadly, by other countries examples, this tragedy could have been avoided. I hope people aren't waiting for a miracle vaccine. Even if we get one, it won't be 100% effective and will require everyone to get it, maybe yearly. Looking at how well Americans took to social distancing and wearing masks I highly doubt we'll get nearly what we need to get heard immunity.

Maybe after November if Trump loses. Maybe a tiny light at the end of the tunnel?
Here's a recent article (yesterday) featuring Dr. Fauci, that speaks to your surmising about a vaccine.

The gist of it is that vaccines are often only 70-75% effective, and around 30% of the country is likely to refuse to get vaccinated. That means we likely won't reach full herd immunity. So we'll retard the virus, but we will not eradicate it.

It's a good read, and if I have time I'll consider starting a thread on it.

(CNN) Fauci says Covid-19 vaccine may not get US to herd immunity if too many people refuse to get it
 
Yet we're told being inside stores, bars and restaurants is worse than being outdoors. Which is it? The medical experts haven't really given us a clear direction from the very beginning of this pandemic.

That still rings true, because generally you're going to have better ventilation outdoors than you are indoors, however social distancing should still be practiced regardless of whether one is indoors or outdoors as well as using a mask if in close proximity to people. Based on what we know so far, it's been pretty consistent for a while now. I'm not sure about other parts of the country, but where I am, stores are enforcing a limited amount of people in stores to prevent crowding. This is easier for businesses with large physical footprints, but obviously more challenging for small shops.
 
Play with this a bit - I see several states dropping in the "new deaths" column between yesterday and today
Yeah, that's a great site.

Obviously the best scenario is last week was the peak. But after looking at some of the states' infection curves showing increasing slope, I'm not optimistic for the near future. That's not to say the current new mitigation efforts won't tamp it down. But I think the general trend for the next few weeks will be continued infection growth, along with some correlating death growth even if this last may not be a direct 1:1 correlation.
 
Covid is patient.

It'll hang out and wait as long as it takes while we get ready.

Our parents and grandparents are entertaining covid in the parlor meanwhile.
Well said. All of it, really.
 
Do you support arresting protesters who violate the lockdown or who don't wear masks?

Not until the police can be trusted to not murder anyone they’re arresting.
 
Far more people are sick and dying from COVID than from blacks dying at the hands of police... it is not even close.


But people barely protested anything about COVID...

I don't think you were replying to me, and if you were replying to me with a "dodge" then this is the only answer you'll get.
 
Yeah, that's a great site.

Obviously the best scenario is last week was the peak. But after looking at some of the states' infection curves showing increasing slope, I'm not optimistic for the near future. That's not to say the current new mitigation efforts won't tamp it down. But I think the general trend for the next few weeks will be continued infection growth, along with some correlating death growth even if this last may not be a direct 1:1 correlation.
I don't think we'll ever see straight line plots for these data. There will be ups and downs; some folks don't even show their infections which the other end has to be admitted to an ICU. I wonder if there are light-symptom folks out there just sitting it out at home. I like this site because of those interactive tables. Sorting by "new cases" or "new deaths" gives a much better picture than a lot of the cherry picked, sliced and diced narratives in the media, IMHO. Apparently math and statistics aren't required subjects in J-school. :)

As I said elsewhere I'd like to see current stats reported rather than a running total of cases; numbers like current cases, current hospitalized, ICU cases, and recoveries would be much more informative.
 
My work is getting ready to open back up, so we won't be a skeleton staff anymore. I'm concerned, but I'll just have to keep doing what I'm doing. Assuming that I live through it, I will remember the shutdown as the hardest that I have ever worked. I'll also appreciate weekends more from now on.

On the bright side, thank God you still have the job to go back to.:peace
 
On the bright side, thank God you still have the job to go back to.:peace

True. However, I've been back since about two weeks into the crisis as an essential employee. It's a good time to be essential.
 
I don't think you were replying to me, and if you were replying to me with a "dodge" then this is the only answer you'll get.

Why is that the only answer that I will get?
 
I remember when the disease was ravaging Italy, and I was so afraid for them.

Look where we are now, compared to Italy. Through today, they've had 240,000 cases, with 35,000 dead. We are 2,600,000 cases, 134,000 dead.

And compared to them the USA's deaths per Million are 386 to Italy's 574.
 
And compared to them the USA's deaths per Million are 386 to Italy's 574.

But they have brought it under control. We unfortunately haven't. What do suppose is the difference?
 
But they have brought it under control. We unfortunately haven't. What do suppose is the difference?

It isn't over...
 
The right and left will continue to make political hay from a pandemic thrust on the world by China. Although I don't believe the virus was not intentionally weaponized at first, China definitely weaponized it by: 1) keeping it secret until it was spread to the rest of the world by allowing flights from Wuhan to points in Europe, U.S, etc. while:2) limiting the spread within China by disallowing travel out of Wuhan to the rest of China. They also cornered the market in PPE, even turning freighters back to China, causing shortages in the rest of the world. As an added benefit, the virus has not only killed over 100,000 citizen here in the U.S., but divided the nation even further, as each political wing uses it as a bludgeon on the other. Well done China.
Good thing you do not mention how we responded and handles the pandemic. Was that because of partisan reasons?
 
The right and left will continue to make political hay from a pandemic thrust on the world by China. Although I don't believe the virus was not intentionally weaponized at first, China definitely weaponized it by: 1) keeping it secret until it was spread to the rest of the world by allowing flights from Wuhan to points in Europe, U.S, etc. while:2) limiting the spread within China by disallowing travel out of Wuhan to the rest of China. They also cornered the market in PPE, even turning freighters back to China, causing shortages in the rest of the world. As an added benefit, the virus has not only killed over 100,000 citizen here in the U.S., but divided the nation even further, as each political wing uses it as a bludgeon on the other. Well done China.

Oh, no, no, no. You are wrong on two counts here:

1) You conservatives don't get to pull the left into the political pool that the right created. It was Trump and his GOP sheep who politicized this from the very beginning. From accusing the media and the Democrats of exaggerating this virus to wearing a re-election campaign hat to a crisis center, Trump pushed the virus into identity politics. Those who wear masks are weak and those who don't wear masks are brave and deny the left its new hoax. It was Trump who finally declared a national emergency, issued social distancing guidance and told people to listen to state authorities, and then he encouraged his protesters to "liberate" themselves from Democratic governors. And it was Trump who bullied Republican governors to open with reckless abandonment, thus slowing the path to economic recovery. Some of these states, Texas and Florida and Utah for example, are sucking wind because the virus was turned into a political statement by the right. The fact that the left now gets to shove Trump's very poor leadership in his face (again) is called an earned consequence of his own doing. As with so many things anymore, the left, once again, gets to be correct about reality because the right, again, foolishly decided that opposite arguments somehow defines their conservatism.

2) Blaming China also quickly became politicized by the right. If all focused on China, then all might ignore Trump. But President Xi Jinping warned the public on January 20. China publicly completed its second COVID-19 hospital on February 6 in some 10 days. Whatever blame China earned certainly stops there. From January 20 to March 13, Trump played political games for 53 days. I guess he thought those massive Coronavirus hospitals going up in China in early February were just fake news. In the meantime, Trump publicly praised Xi and his transparency 15 times between January and March, even as the U.S. intelligence community and his own White House advisors were sounding the alarm about the impending pandemic and China’s public handling of it. But ever since he declared a national emergency on March 13, he has sought to blame China and WHO for his pathetic display of American leadership.

Again...53 ****ing days. You don't get to pretend those days don't exist. Whatever China tried to do on its own and then tried to cover up early on, Trump's much longer 53 days of sheer stupidity is what sent plenty of Americans, who liked the idea of it being the latest hoax, to their graves.
 
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