"Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it failed"

[rocket88]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

No one has voted to fund Trump's "beautiful wall" EVER. Not Republicans and not Democrats. What the President is asking is for Congress to recognize that he is THE authority on border security and for them to ignore the other more qualified persons who say it is not the way to go. What makes Trump such an expert on this complex problem? Not one poster has dared answer that question that I have asked more than once.

Trump is the expert on everything.

 

[Casca XV]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

No one has voted to fund Trump's "beautiful wall" EVER. Not Republicans and not Democrats. What the President is asking is for Congress to recognize that he is THE authority on border security and for them to ignore the other more qualified persons who say it is not the way to go. What makes Trump such an expert on this complex problem? Not one poster has dared answer that question that I have asked more than once.

Properly built walls and fences have worked everywhere they have ever been tried. The President sees this as well as anyone. Before they realized they needed Illegal Alien voting cattle the Dems were for a wall as well.

 

[rocket88]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

I remember it to: the threat of that enabled Reagan to enact policies that destroyed the USSR, a huge defeat for Leftist like you.

Actually it went worse for the right. Took you guys years to find a new bogeyman you could use th scare people into voting for you.

 

[Perotista]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

There is no such thing as a compromise when one has a knife at his throat. Once Trump throws Article 1 off a cliff edge there is actually no real function for any Senator or any Congressperson left. Trump will simply rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.

The power of the Purse is in the Congress. Trump is trying to abscond with it at the point of a knife. That is not compromise. It is extortion and in fact given that its the US government and our Constitutional Republic we are talking about....it is Tyranny.

Once the government shutdown ends, anything is possible. Before that nothing is possible. Trump has made his bed and its not even a bed Hill Republicans can join him in. They would be slitting their own throats at that point.

1976 shutdown 10 days, Did Ford hold congress hostage over spending on HEW, DOL, DOE, and a couple of others.
Three time Carter shut down the government for 28 total days over medicaid funding for abortion in 1977. Extortion on Carter's part. 1978 Too much money for Defense and a carrier, Carter shut down the government for 18 days.1979, another abortion funding shutdown along with a pay increase for congress, Carter shut down the government for 11 days.

Reagan era, 1981 two days, Reagan shut down the government because he said not enough spending cuts. 1982, the MX missile funding, Reagan shut down the government for 3 days. And so on. Presidents from both sides shut down government to get their way over what ever item they objected to or wanted.

Was this all extortion? If so, should any president just sign any budget bill whether he agrees with it or not?

 

[rocket88]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

Properly built walls and fences have worked everywhere they have ever been tried. The President sees this as well as anyone. Before they realized they needed Illegal Alien voting cattle the Dems were for a wall as well.

Your extreme lack of finding anything of worth to mention is astounding. Seriously, you've got it down to a science. You make Hannity look sensible.

 

[rocket88]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

1976 shutdown 10 days, Did Ford hold congress hostage over spending on HEW, DOL, DOE, and a couple of others.
Three time Carter shut down the government for 28 total days over medicaid funding for abortion in 1977. Extortion on Carter's part. 1978 Too much money for Defense and a carrier, Carter shut down the government for 18 days.1979, another abortion funding shutdown along with a pay increase for congress, Carter shut down the government for 11 days.

Reagan era, 1981 two days, Reagan shut down the government because he said not enough spending cuts. 1982, the MX missile funding, Reagan shut down the government for 3 days. And so on. Presidents from both sides shut down government to get their way over what ever item they objected to or wanted.

Was this all extortion? If so, should any president just sign any budget bill whether he agrees with it or not?

Yes, the government shut down for a day or two in the past. Most Presidents are reasonable enough to see it as a bad thing. Not Trump.

Remember when he said the President should be fired when it does? I agree. Fire Trump.

 

[Casca XV]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

One of you two Rocket Scientists want to explain to me what mushroom clouds over Chicago and Reagan v Russia have to do with this thread?

Like most who grew up during the 70s & 80s I assume nuclear war with the USSR was inevitable.

Mushroom "Clouds over Chicago/LA/NY" was a common phrase to express this fear. I assumed Jezcoe was referring to this.

Reagan used this fear of a nuclear war to get big budgets for our military passed. With a free market economy the US was rich, with a socialist economy the USSR was poor.

When they tried to keep up with our military spending they bankrupted themselves and collapsed.

problem solved.

 

[Casca XV]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

Your extreme lack of finding anything of worth to mention is astounding. Seriously, you've got it down to a science. You make Hannity look sensible.

that is not an argument, just blather and filibustering

 

[rocket88]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

that is not an argument, just blather and filibustering

Well I figured if I came down to your level you could relate better.

 

[Buck Naked]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

the bill was for DHS employees only and contained other items. Here is a summary:

Introduced in House (01/22/2019)
This joint resolution provides continuing FY2019 appropriations for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) through the earlier of February 28, 2019, or the enactment of the applicable appropriations legislation.

It is known as a continuing resolution (CR) and ends the partial DHS shutdown that began on December 22, 2018, because the existing CR expired and the FY2019 DHS appropriations bill has not been enacted.

The CR also

makes appropriations available, pursuant to a requirement under current law, to compensate DHS employees furloughed as a result of any lapse in appropriations that began on or about December 22, 2018;
reimburses or compensates certain states, federal grantees, and furloughed state employees for the lapse in DHS appropriations; and
ratifies and approves certain obligations incurred in anticipation of the appropriations made and the authority granted by this joint resolution.
Additionally, the CR has the effect of extending through February 28, 2019, several immigration programs and authorities that were extended in prior CRs and expired on December 21, 2018.

Yes, that's correct, but I was attempting to point out that the Casca XV's OP article was used to spread propaganda and that it did pass the House six days later, rendering the OP article as completely devoid of any facts or value.

Casca XV failed to mention that the Democrats did pass CR28 by the time he started the thread. An vital, undisclosed fact that exposes the OP article's conclusions as false.

 

[Perotista]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

Yes, the government shut down for a day or two in the past. Most Presidents are reasonable enough to see it as a bad thing. Not Trump.

Remember when he said the President should be fired when it does? I agree. Fire Trump.

Trump would have never become president if the Democrats had chosen a decent candidate. At least one that wasn't as disliked as Trump was by America as a whole.

Shutdowns, about half went on from 7-21 days, the other half 1-5 days. It's easy to blame Trump, but in September when he signed the CR for the remaining 7 appropriations bills funding them until the first part of December. Trump stated right then he wouldn't sign another without funds for his wall. Congress had 2-3 months to come up with either the funding or a compromise. It didn't. Of course congress was controlled by the GOP then.

But in December the Republican House did pass a CR with funding for the wall which Schumer and the Democrats in the senate filibustered. Then once the Democrats took over the House, Pelosi and company passed a CR funding the remaining 7 appropriations bills which McConnell tabled. Without either the Democratic lead filibuster in December or the tabling of Pelosi CR's, the government would have been open then.

Plenty of time for a compromise if either side was willing. Both sides weren't, so here we are. I think at the moment each side is playing the game keep the government shut down until one or the other side caves. Each side wants unconditional surrender. If we had adults in Washington who cared about running the government a compromise would have been worked out month's ago.

I blame everyone involved. But then again I'm not all that partisan, I don't give a darn about the wall one way or the other, I think this shutdown over 5 billion dollars is as stupid as stupid gets, asinine in fact. That is approximately 0.0125% of a single percentage point that has the government shutdown. Idiotic is the word that comes to mind.

It is stuff like this that has earned my utter disdain for both major parties. All they are interested in is their party, not the country. My point of view anyway.

 

[jnug]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

For a bill that FAILED TO PASS because it was crap legislation, another of these lets make a deal Bills that tries to slam together policy on one end with appropriations on the other. The only winners when these disasters pass is the Politicians who all get to go home claiming victory the whole way. Talked about FAILED legislation from past Congressional sessions is not even debate. Its propaganda.

One good reason to watch Sen. Bennet's oratory on floor of the Senate on Thursday evening 1/24/19 is because it points back to the Hastert Rule in full effect every time the House has been under GOP control since Newt Gingrich through Hastert and through Paul Ryan's period in the Speaker's chair. While I appreciate all the effort the Senate put into this oft mentioned 2013 Bill that included $46B in border security funding the offsetting Immigration policy side of that Bill was NEVER going to even make its way to the floor of the House for a vote because of the Hastert Rule. There is not a Senator that was part of that Senate Session when it was passed out of the Senate that can claim there was ever any chance of that Bill coming to a vote in the House because the Immigration Policy side of the Bill was not acceptable to a Majority of the GOP Majority which is the foundation of the Hastert Rule.

These lets make a deal Bill that mate Appropriations on one end to policy unrelated on the other end are trash and they are particularly trashy when there is simply no way said Bill won't be waylaid by some Majority governed procedural nonsense on one side of Capital Hill or the other. For the record, the GOP should NEVER be in control of the House again, not ever if for no other reason than the stupid mutation of the Hastert Rule.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

Yes, because like most people paying attention he realizes that it can be managed in such a way that no one including low level Govt workers will notice. That is the last thing the Big Government Swamp wants.

His popularity is still higher than Obama's was at this time.

Your thread is as accurate as your assertion of Trump’s current approval rate. 100% wrong.
https://news.gallup.com/interactives/185273/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx

 

[NebraskaFtball]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

While most were drinking the mainstream media Kool-Aid that Republicans and President Trump are responsible for keeping paychecks out of the hands of federal employees affected by the government shutdown, a bill was brought to the House floor that would have paid them their first paycheck of 2019.

It failed. Despite six Democrats voting in favor of the bill, the Democratic majority shot it down, preventing their political pawns – the 800,000 people directly affected by the government shutdown – from getting paid.

Representative Dan Crenshaw (R-TX) pointed it out and received a good amount of interactions on Twitter, but most in mainstream media refused to run this narrative-busting truth.

https://noqreport.com/2019/01/23/da...oted-pay-federal-employees-affected-shutdown/

https://twitter.com/RepDanCrenshaw/status/1087883789970354176

Fake News Alert!!!

What they voted down was a motion to recommit. Which means it would have been sent back to committee. Instead they brought it to the floor for a full vote, and it was approved with all Democrats voting in favor (except AOC who opposed it since it would fully fund ICE) and 10 Republicans also voting in favor. It was then sent to the Senate where McConnell will refuse to allow it to come to the floor for a vote.

You should really expand your sources of information. Knowledge and being well informed is powerful. Relying on others to think for you leads to massive face-plants like this OP. :lamo

ETA: Here is the legislation for proof of your FAKE NEWS!

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-joint-resolution/28/text?format=txt

 

[NebraskaFtball]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

With the new trade deals Mexico is already paying for it. With out that entire country collecting welfare here at over 70% they are really paying for it.

Well that is completely and totally false as well. For starters, the NAFTA 2.0 hasn’t been implemented as it has yet to be ratified. Additionally, you lack understanding of trade deals if you believe a negotiated agreement on trade rules would someone end up with money in the Treasury earmarked for dumb wall funding.

But I am curious. Tell us how you think NAFTA 2.0 has Mexico paying for the wall. Be specific please.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

Dastardly democrats are determined to push their evil agenda no matter who suffers because of it.

Like shutting down the goverment to get a dumb wall. Could you imagine obama shutting down the government to force a gun control measure on republicans? Right wingers would throw a fit. But hey, keep making asses of yourselves conservatives, its what you do best

 

[Sampson Simpson]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile



That says it all

 

[jnug]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

Fake News Alert!!!

What they voted down was a motion to recommit. Which means it would have been sent back to committee. Instead they brought it to the floor for a full vote, and it was approved with all Democrats voting in favor (except AOC who opposed it since it would fully fund ICE) and 10 Republicans also voting in favor. It was then sent to the Senate where McConnell will refuse to allow it to come to the floor for a vote.

You should really expand your sources of information. Knowledge and being well informed is powerful. Relying on others to think for you leads to massive face-plants like this OP. :lamo

ETA: Here is the legislation for proof of your FAKE NEWS!

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-joint-resolution/28/text?format=txt

Correct....That "motion to recommit" was not going anywhere nor should it have. But to attach the significance to that vote as Jim Scalise tried to make of it was nothing short of disgusting. What else is new from the party that lives by the Hastert Rule when in the Majority in the House. Thank God that is not the case in the 116th.

 

[NebraskaFtball]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

Correct....That "motion to recommit" was not going anywhere nor should it have. But to attach the significance to that vote as Jim Scalise tried to make of it was nothing short of disgusting. What else is new from the party that lives by the Hastert Rule when in the Majority in the House. Thank God that is not the case in the 116th.

It was a stupid procedural stalling tactic employed by the morons in the current Trumplican party. And their sycophantic cultists gobble up their lies with frothing at the mouth eagerness and willful ignorance. It’s pretty disgraceful seeing what has become of my former party and it’s intellectually challenged base.

I wonder if the OP will acknowledge they were taken for a fool by Congressman Crenshaw and his complicit enablers in the OP’s links? And will there be self-reflection over how they are viewed by these horrible liars?

 

[marke]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

Like shutting down the goverment to get a dumb wall. Could you imagine obama shutting down the government to force a gun control measure on republicans? Right wingers would throw a fit. But hey, keep making asses of yourselves conservatives, its what you do best

Democrats voted to build more wall sections under Obama than Trump is asking for now. What is stupid is that those same democrats are now claiming building border walls is dumb. This is not about border walls. This is about democrats doing every dirty thing they can to tear down Trump in order to build up democrat chances of seizing control of the government in 2020.

 

[Buck Naked]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

Fake News Alert!!!

What they voted down was a motion to recommit. Which means it would have been sent back to committee. Instead they brought it to the floor for a full vote, and it was approved with all Democrats voting in favor (except AOC who opposed it since it would fully fund ICE) and 10 Republicans also voting in favor. It was then sent to the Senate where McConnell will refuse to allow it to come to the floor for a vote.

You should really expand your sources of information. Knowledge and being well informed is powerful. Relying on others to think for you leads to massive face-plants like this OP. :lamo

ETA: Here is the legislation for proof of your FAKE NEWS!

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-joint-resolution/28/text?format=txt

Exactly. I tried pointing this out to no avail.

I’m now more curious from a psychological standpoint as to whether CascaXV’s ego is bigger than the truth.
So, now the question remains, will CascaXV admit his grossly wielded error and accept personal responsibility for his use and defense of a false article and false conclusions or continue down the propaganda path disregarding all facts that get in his way.


Will it be ego or truth for CascaXV?

 

[Zalatix]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

WOW, you really don't know how to win one.

That bill would only affect a small number of Govt employees. The GOP bill would help them all.

The Democrats leverage in this is to have as many people suffering as possible. President Trumps leverage is to have as few suffering as possible.

We need this wall, what will it take: Terrorists sneaking a nuke or dirty bomb across the border before you Leftist admit that?

Well if they sneak it into a rural area we'll send our thoughts and prayers.

 

[Casca XV]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

Fake News Alert!!!

What they voted down was a motion to recommit. Which means it would have been sent back to committee. Instead they brought it to the floor for a full vote, and it was approved with all Democrats voting in favor (except AOC who opposed it since it would fully fund ICE) and 10 Republicans also voting in favor. It was then sent to the Senate where McConnell will refuse to allow it to come to the floor for a vote.

You should really expand your sources of information. Knowledge and being well informed is powerful. Relying on others to think for you leads to massive face-plants like this OP. :lamo

ETA: Here is the legislation for proof of your FAKE NEWS!

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-joint-resolution/28/text?format=txt

Nice try. There were at least three different bills. What you are referring to is not one of them. Go kill zombies on Xbox you are in over your head here.

 

[Casca XV]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

Well that is completely and totally false as well. For starters, the NAFTA 2.0 hasn’t been implemented as it has yet to be ratified. Additionally, you lack understanding of trade deals if you believe a negotiated agreement on trade rules would someone end up with money in the Treasury earmarked for dumb wall funding.

But I am curious. Tell us how you think NAFTA 2.0 has Mexico paying for the wall. Be specific please.

There is no Nafta 2.0. there is only a USMCA.

For the Last 2 years President Trump has been right about everything especially the economy, and he says Mexico will pay for the wall through USMCA.

For a lot longer than the last two years his detractors disagreeing with the President on this have been wrong about everything, saying we would be in a recession within year one. Obama claiming an economy like what we have now could never happen and Trump would have to "wave a magic wand." is now desperately trying to take credit for this economy.

I will take the word over the guy who has been right over those who have been wrong any day.

 

[NebraskaFtball]

Re: "Only 6 Democrats voted for a GOP bill to pay Federal Employees affected by shutdown so it faile

There is no Nafta 2.0. there is only a USMCA.

For the Last 2 years President Trump has been right about everything especially the economy, and he says Mexico will pay for the wall through USMCA.

For a lot longer than the last two years his detractors disagreeing with the President on this have been wrong about everything, saying we would be in a recession within year one. Obama claiming an economy like what we have now could never happen and Trump would have to "wave a magic wand." is now desperately trying to take credit for this economy.

I will take the word over the guy who has been right over those who have been wrong any day.

Well absolutely none of that is accurate either. While there may have been some fringe elements suggesting a recession within a year, no economists worth their mettle suggested as much.

What Obama claimed is that manufacturing wouldn’t come back to the tune of 25,000,000 jobs added in this sector like yesteryear. And he is right. Manufacturing used to account for 35-40% of the work force. Now, it’s hovering around 10% and won’t ever get beyond that. Not even with a magic wand.

As for the current economy, all of the trends do remain in line with what Obama started. I’ll give Trump credit for not screwing up the great economy handed to him by his predecessor. But he hardly did anything to suddenly right the ship, as the ship was already righted. Unlike what W. Bush handed off to Obama. Mr. Obama deserves credit for this economy. So does Mr. Trump.

Now, for NAFTA 2.0....and that is EXACTLY what it is, no stupid marketing manipulation by Trump will Change it....please explain in detail how funds will flow into the treasury from this trade agreement, that will be specifically earmarked to cover specific activity by our government. I know Trump says it will. That moron says a lot of things because he knows there are morons in his base that swallow his lies wholesale. But he doesn’t ever explain the details, does he? Seems he has left that task up to you. I will patiently await your detailed explanation.