I'm not suggesting that laws be used to change culture, but culture change is often the result rendering the need for the law that started it unnecessary in the long run.
This is absolutely tragic, the death of a child, especially so violently and horrifically is a haunting thought as a father myself.
But you can't legislate against stupidity.
Whoever left that gun where it was should face negligent homicide.
I don't see the need for punishment in cases like this; I don't think they are likely to do it again.
... but you can't make him realize he's doing the same thing he's accusing others of doing: ignoring the other's guy's stats and studies.
it is about the parents's carelessness ,not gun control I think and that is one of the reasons why I believe not everybody should be allowed to have guns
You gave faulty research from biased sources giving a slanted presentation.I backed up my position with evidence rather than subjective assertion . Perhaps you should do the same :roll:
FTR I am opposed to seat belt laws. There are other ways to encourage responsible behavior without making it a mandate, and it isn't the gov's responsibility to save you from your own bad choices all the time.
The gov mainly uses seat belt laws to generate revenue via LE stops, and LE likes it because it gives them yet another excuse to stop people and be snoopy.
You are certainly in no position to go pointing fingers there frankly. Simply crying BS when you don't like something is hardly conducive to debate
How would you have encouraged seat belt use?
Do you believe that it would have been as effective/ more effective than the law that was enacted? Explain?
As far as revenue generation, I don't believe that was the goal when the law was enacted, but I suspect there are places that it happens.
Compliance should be the goal, not revenue generation.
You gave faulty research from biased sources giving a slanted presentation.
Bud, I'm telling you that you're doing the same thing, exactly as predicted. This isn't my first gun debate; I've seen it so many times it isn't really funny anymore.
Both sides tend to ignore each others stats and studies, or just poo-poo them. Yes I am doing it, and so are you. So what's the point.
Those are 2 more sources that assume the gun kept in the home is the gun which caused the injury. You have no proof that was the case. Again you offer faulty research.Prove it ?
Meanwhile
Over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year, according to a new study published in the medical journal Pediatrics. An additional 3,000 children die from gun injuries before making it to the hospital, bringing the total number of injured or killed adolescents to 10,000 each year.The American Academy of Pediatrics wrote in 2012 that “firearm-related deaths continue as 1 of the top 3 causes of death in American youth.”
Nearly 10,000 American children are injured or killed by guns every year | MSNBC
The number of US kids and teens who die from gunshot wounds in hospital has risen almost 60 percent in a decade, according to a new report.
The study by two doctors looked at data from 1997 to 2009, and found the number of those hospitalized with gunshot wounds rose from 4,270 to 7,730, while the number of those that then died from them climbed from 317 to 503.
US Child Gun Deaths Rose 60 Percent In 10 Years
Prove it ?
Meanwhile
Over 7,000 children are hospitalized or killed due to gun violence every year, according to a new study published in the medical journal Pediatrics. An additional 3,000 children die from gun injuries before making it to the hospital, bringing the total number of injured or killed adolescents to 10,000 each year.The American Academy of Pediatrics wrote in 2012 that “firearm-related deaths continue as 1 of the top 3 causes of death in American youth.”
Nearly 10,000 American children are injured or killed by guns every year | MSNBC
The number of US kids and teens who die from gunshot wounds in hospital has risen almost 60 percent in a decade, according to a new report.
The study by two doctors looked at data from 1997 to 2009, and found the number of those hospitalized with gunshot wounds rose from 4,270 to 7,730, while the number of those that then died from them climbed from 317 to 503.
US Child Gun Deaths Rose 60 Percent In 10 Years
What have you presented that I've ignored ?
What have you presented that I've ignored ?
Causes of suicide:WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCE MURDER AND SUICIDE? A REVIEW OF INTERNATIONAL AND SOME DOMESTIC EVIDENCE
Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy
Guns are just one among numerous available deadly instruments. Thus, banning guns cannot reduce the amount of suicides. Such measures only reduce the number of suicides by firearms. Suicides committed in other ways increase to make up the difference. People do not commit suicide because they have guns available. They kill themselves for reasons they deem sufficient, and in the absence of firearms they just kill themselves in some other way.
Who are we supposed to be defending ourselves against that would require us to have such an arsenal. Ze Germans ? , The Zulu's ?, The Mafia ?
Those are 2 more sources that assume the gun kept in the home is the gun which caused the injury. You have no proof that was the case. Again you offer faulty research.
BULL ****. . I linked to the FBI uniform crime report, showing about fourteen thousand TOTAL murders per year for several years (from all weapons/causes)... you're trying to say over three thousand of them are "children"?
If you count 25yo gang bangers as "children", as some of these so -called "studies" have, perhaps.
Utter nonsense.
I did. The research doesn't prove that the gun which caused the death is the same gun which was kept in the home. The research claimed they were the same but nowhere in that study do yo find their proof. That's the fault, they made a claim without proof.Prove this research is faulty ?
All Jerry's stats and studies for one.
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It's a good bet that they won't do it again while they're locked up in prison, eh?
Same should happen to the parents that leave their kids to die in hot cars right?
How about the parents whose kid drowns in their pool?
The American Academy of Pediatrics wrote in 2012 that “firearm-related deaths continue as 1 of the top 3 causes of death in American youth.” [/I]
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The research cited assumes that if a person was killed and a gun was owned in the home, it was the gun in the home that was responsible for the death. In fact, virtually all of those deaths were due to guns being brought in by criminals getting into the home.
Faulty research.
Quote the part of the study which shows that the gun which caused the injury/death is the same gun that was kept in the home.Prove it ?
His stats were 6 years old or more. I posted more recent and relevant data that countered them which you would already know had you bothered opening any of them :roll:
Now again what data have YOU posted that I've ignored ?
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