Godless is a self defining term....
I don't disagree that evolution exists, I am only asking questions that try to get to the start....ie; evolved from what?
how?
when?
why?....
If humans evolved from monkeys, specifically chimps, then why are there still chimps?
I never saw it as a big deal whether one believed in creationism or evolution. What I find out a lot of times is that a whole bunch of people believe in both at the same time. I never understood why so many people must try to make everyone else believe exactly as they do.
Who's denying it? :shrug: I don't disagree that evolution exists, I am only asking questions that try to get to the start....ie; evolved from what?
how?
when?
why?
I never saw it as a big deal whether one believed in creationism or evolution. What I find out a lot of times is that a whole bunch of people believe in both at the same time. I never understood why so many people must try to make everyone else believe exactly as they do.
Well, first, you can't really believe the earth is 6000 years old and believe the science behind evolution. The two ideas are contradictory.
Bill Nye put it pretty well. The reason it's so important is that scientifically literate people are important to our nation's future. We're falling behind in math and science, and it's getting worse. America's status as a worldwide leader of science and innovation is at risk. We're a country that went from the Wright Brothers' first flight to landing on the moon in 66 years. Now we're sliding backwards. A growing number of people are rejecting enormous amounts of scientific evidence. Mostly out of spite, I think. Those heathen liberals believe in evolution, so it must be a lie. As Bill said, don't do that to your kids, because we need them.
There are any number of fields of science that one simply cannot succeed in while willfully rejecting so much evidence. And even in an unrelated field, the underlying mindset can seriously hamper your progress, because the ability to mentally suppress acknowledgment of evidence is not a good skill for a scientist.
Perhaps worst of all, in my opinion, is just that creationism is an idea that assists in the suppression of curiosity. It's not everyone, it's not all the time, but I think the push is there. When one blindly accepts a religious text as having all the answers about the universe, there's no need to ask more questions about it. Even if you're not a scientist, someone taking the biblical story of creation literally already "knows" how the universe was created, so why would they become curious about it? And to me, curiosity is God's true gift to mankind, along with the intelligence to act on it. Curiosity got us out of the cave, over the mountain, across the ocean, and into the skies. And to space and back. It's built in. Genetic. Every child goes through that phase. The "why?" phase. "Because God did it" is detrimental to the why. It hampers true understanding, and I don't that's what God would want for us.
And, to be perfectly clear, this isn't everyone. It's not all Christians, nor all people of any other religion. It's not even a majority, I don't think. There are innumerable Christians of any denomination who understand, explore, and advance any field of science. Or even just get curious about them and learn. But I don't think a 6000 year old earth lets you do that. I don't think an Einstein or Hawking can exist within that mindset.
really, there should be no real conflict between evolution and religion. Being that nothing in evolution actually dictates there isn't a god. What it dictates is that there is a natural graduation of change in nature that we can observe and develop a model from. The whys and how this came about isn't even a topic generally addressed in science
Already explained, (earlier in the thread..) I see you didn't take my advice about going back to make sure you know my position before you look foolish making assumptions about it...
Simple cells, prokaryotes.
(Most likely)...
(1.)Officially since bacteria developed primitive forms of photosynthesis which at first did not produce oxygen, about 3500MA ago. But before that, the formation of Greenstone belt of the Isua complex of the western Greenland Region, (2.)whose rocks showed an isotope frequency suggestive of the presence of life.
There is no "need" for evolution - it is an inevitable result of the way organisms are constructed and the way they reproduce.
I answered all your questions on evolution at the top of this page. Review those answers, attempt to reconcile those with your religion, rinse and repeat.
Where did prokaryotes come from?
"Most likely" - Meaning you don't know for a certainty?
(1.) These are the theories yes, and I have no problem accepting those looking at these things want to know the same things the average person does in terms of how life began, I find it interesting.
(2.) Terms like "suggestive" are commonly used in evolution theory largely because there are holes that can not be explained. That is all I am saying.
But not all organisms right? I mean, you can't say that with absolute definity when there is so much about our own earth, much less the entirety of the universe that hasn't been scientifically proven.
Before I take your supposed conclusions as credible in the scientific sense, you'd have to lay out your bonafides. You know, why should I believe what you have to say? For all I know, you're a Walmart employee with too much time on his hands....:mrgreen:
Back to reality: your absurd claim that my career someone discredits my reporting of what scientists generally agree on is laughable.
I would not be too worried about it, even a WalMart employee would understand why there are chimps. Wonder why the shot at walmart employees?
People who are in tough situations are always despised by conservatives. It only affirms my thesis that social-darwinism is the central tenet of the Far Right.
lol...
Protobionts
It is a theory favourable with most scientists who are more qualified than you or I. I trust them more than an ancient book, that's for sure.
Suggestive merely says that in all likelihood, or most probably.
I can assure you that contemporary scientists have discovered more than any religion has claimed to. Simply because some things (like dark energy, dark matter) are not known doesn't mean that what we currently know and theorise about is untrue.
Yeah, that's me. I'm a minority, homosexual, Walmart employee who sucks on the welfare state and is married to an illegal immigrant who raises children to gain more welfare payments. I'm a Satanist with Pagan roots. I'm a favourite with conservatives.
I would not be too worried about it, even a WalMart employee would understand why there are chimps. Wonder why the shot at walmart employees?
People who are in tough situations are always despised by conservatives.
It only affirms my thesis that social-darwinism is the central tenet of the Far Right.
Well, the Far Right want to scrap all benefits and any help extended to those in need.
They actively look down on poor people
the poster above suspecting I'm a Wamart worker and hence putting forward "stupid" arguments
Well, the Far Right want to scrap all benefits and any help extended to those in need.
They actively look down on poor people (vide: the poster above suspecting I'm a Wamart worker and hence putting forward "stupid" arguments).
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