ONE SIDE OF THE ISSUE

[Aristaeus]

So what? Why does it bother you what someone else calls him or herself? Why do you feel that you have the authority to police this?

So a person can choose to identify as noth a man and a woman, and this would mean they were a both man and a woman.

 

[lwf]

So a person can choose to identify as noth a man and a woman, and this would mean they were a both man and a woman.

Inasmuch as they can identify as both a conservative and a liberal. Do you know anyone who does? I don't.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

The real problem here was not that a trans woman used a women's locker room.

Right. The real problem is that a MAN was using the women's locker room.

The problem was that someone with clear biological advantages was able to compete at the elite level of a women's sport where those biological advantages provided an unfair advantage.

Thats a BIG problem too imo.

 

[Aristaeus]

Inasmuch as they can identify as both a conservative and a liberal. Do you know anyone who does? I don't.

Comparing being a man or woman to a political stance is not accurate.

I've never heard of political dysphoria before or of people being born into the wrong political wing.

But you agree that there is nothing stopping anyone from identifying as both a man and woman as all that is required is saying "I'm a man and a woman", so if someone did that, they must be both a man and a woman, yes?

 

[Gordy327]

So a person can choose to identify as noth a man and a woman, and this would mean they were a both man and a woman.

Sounds like a Hermaphrodite.

 

[lwf]

Comparing being a man or woman to a political stance is not accurate.

They are comparable in the sense that they are self chosen identities and social labels.

I've never heard of political dysphoria before or of people being born into the wrong political wing.

But you agree that there is nothing stopping anyone from identifying as both a man and woman as all that is required is saying "I'm a man and a woman", so if someone did that, they must be both a man and a woman, yes?

Yes. I agree with that statement because 'man' and 'woman' are gender identities and somewhat nebulous social labels, not scientifically defined and accurately measurable classifications. Whether someone is a woman or a man can be measured to the same degree that you can measure whether someone is a conservative or a liberal. We all have an understanding of the broad range of qualities that these social identities traditionally imply, but none of us are given the social authority to be the final arbiter of which qualities are required to label oneself as one of these identities, and which ones "don't count." And we certainly don't have the moral authority to make laws singling out a portion of the population based on this falsely assumed social authority.

 

[rahl]

Identity is not meaningless.

The term gender is meaningless.

 

[lwf]

The term gender is meaningless.

So you don't mind if we call you a woman and refer to you with she/her pronouns?

 

[rahl]

So you don't mind if we call you a woman and refer to you with she/her pronouns?

You have a first amendment right to say anything you’d like. Just like I have the right to correct you by pointing out biology. My dna says I am a man, he/him.

 

[lwf]

You have a first amendment right to say anything you’d like. Just like I have the right to correct you by pointing out biology. My dna says I am a man, he/him.

I thought it was meaningless?

 

[rahl]

I thought it was meaningless?

Gender identity is meaningless. Woman means female. She means female. Man means male. These are biologically determined. You can call yourself a catfish if you want to. You have that right. Your dna says you are a human regardless of what you want to call yourself.

 

[lwf]

Gender identity is meaningless. Woman means female. She means female. Man means male. These are biologically determined. You can call yourself a catfish if you want to. You have that right. Your dna says you are a human regardless of what you want to call yourself.

And yet it incontrovertibly exists, and most people seem to understand the difference. Do you think your inability to grasp something that most others are capable of grasping is because you know more than they do? Or is it because you know less than they do?

Sex and gender: What is the difference?​

 

[rahl]

And yet it incontrovertibly exists,

no it doesn’t. You are male, or female. Your feelings do not change this.

 

[CLAX1911]

Correct. It is one of many qualities traditionally associated with women. Fortunately for women, (and men) there are no specific qualities that are absolutely required besides adulthood in order to qualify as a woman, else they are disallowed by society from identifying as women.

No it's the predominant quality associated with women throughout all history.

In order to qualify as a woman you must be female.

 

[CLAX1911]

lwf: By that logic, "conservative" doesn't mean anything and yet you describe yourself as such.


lwf: Can you define what it means to identify as "conservative?"

These appear to be mutually exclusive.

identify as something is gaslighting language.

A house cat is not a social identity applied to humans. It is a label for a species of animal.

someone could still identify as a house cat it means nothing identifying as something doesn't mean anything.

 

[Donatello]

Lia Thomas exposed 'male genitalia' in women's locker room after meet, Riley Gaines says: Dropped 'his pants'





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The takeover of womens sports by transgender “athletes”. It’s only a “small problem” caused by a smaller percentage of the population, but it’s really indefensible. The progressives are all yelling for justice, but is this fair? Ramming transgender athletes down the throats of Americans will never make the accepted or popular.

OMG. You're pushing Fox News apps? Do you read the news?

 

[lwf]

No it's the predominant quality associated with women throughout all history.

In order to qualify as a woman you must be female.

This is provably false. You demanding that people change the definition of gender and adhere to your arbitrary definition so that transwomen can be discriminated against is not an argument.

 

[lwf]

identify as something is gaslighting language.

Obviously it isn't. People identify as things all the time. Your inability to understand how it works is your failure, not theirs.

 

[CLAX1911]

This is provably false. You demanding that people change the definition of gender and adhere to your arbitrary definition so that transwomen can be discriminated against is not an argument.

Gender in the context you are using it is a meaningless word.

Trans women are not discriminated against they're treated like men because that's what they are. It would be discriminating to treat them like women but not treat any other man like a woman.

To be a trans woman all you have to do is say words so it's like a magical spell.

Watch this, I'm a trans woman. So somehow now I'm magically a woman?

 

[CLAX1911]

Obviously it isn't. People identify as things all the time. Your inability to understand how it works is your failure, not theirs.

yeah but if you identify as a house cat or a potato essentially something you're not it's considered delusional except for in this one case because reasons that nobody can nail down.

 

[lwf]

Gender in the context you are using it is a meaningless word.

Trans women are not discriminated against they're treated like men because that's what they are. It would be discriminating to treat them like women but not treat any other man like a woman.

To be a trans woman all you have to do is say words so it's like a magical spell.

Watch this, I'm a trans woman. So somehow now I'm magically a woman?

That doesn't make it meaningless. If I call myself a libertarian, then I am magically a libertarian. You don't have to agree with it. But that is what I would be. And no one has the right to outlaw me from using this identification just because they arbitrarily think I don't have enough libertarian qualities to "qualify" for that label. And they certainly don't have the right to legally ban me from a restroom.

 

[lwf]

yeah but if you identify as a house cat or a potato essentially something you're not it's considered delusional except for in this one case because reasons that nobody can nail down.

The reason is because people provably suffer from gender dysphoria and gender transition is a proven, evidence based treatment for gender dysphoria whether you want this to be the case or not. By living their lives as the gender not normally associated with their sex, they have a better prognosis. So gender is not the same thing as sex. Most adult males are men. But some adult males are women. This is established fact.

 

[CLAX1911]

That doesn't make it meaningless.

right there fact that there is absolutely no meaning males it meaningless.

If I call myself a libertarian, then I am magically a libertarian. You don't have to agree with it. But that is what I would be.

So you don't think any word has a meaning?

If I can call myself a black person or a straight person not being either one of those by definition then that's meaninglessness.

And no one has the right to outlaw me from using this identification just because they arbitrarily think I don't have enough libertarian qualities to "qualify" for that label.

Yeah but nobody can communicate with you either. You're using language in a way nobody understands then you're not communicating and you won't be understood.

There's a rain why I keep telling you the word you are using are meaningless.

 

[CLAX1911]

The reason is because people provably suffer from gender dysphoria and gender transition is a proven,

So you have to suffer from gender dysphoria to identify as a trans? Where are the trans police to enforce this rule?

evidence based treatment for gender dysphoria whether you want this to be the case or not. By living their lives as the gender not normally associated with their sex, they have a better prognosis. So gender is not the same thing as sex.

yeah gender means nothing. You can live your life as your gender just buy saying the stream of consciousness that is "I identify as..." That's all transition is. I did it on this forum in this thread in a response to you, you are being transphobic by demanding that I must first have a mental disorder.

Why do you hate us trans people so much?

Most adult males are men. But some adult males are women. This is established fact.

Cognitive dissonance.

 

[lwf]

right there fact that there is absolutely no meaning males it meaningless.
So you don't think any word has a meaning?

If I can call myself a black person or a straight person not being either one of those by definition then that's meaninglessness.

Yeah but nobody can communicate with you either. You're using language in a way nobody understands then you're not communicating and you won't be understood.

There's a rain why I keep telling you the word you are using are meaningless.

The notion that no one understands what gender is and that it renders communication impossible is demonstrably false. We have gender and we have biological sex in the United States of America. Most of us understand this just fine. It is you who doesn't understand what gender means. Everyone else seems to have no trouble understanding and accepting the difference between gender identity and biological sex.

You are the one who has trouble communicating about gender here. Perhaps the problem is not with the rest of the country? Perhaps the flaw in comprehension lies on your side of the table?

Sex and gender: What is the difference?​