- Joined
- Aug 6, 2019
- Messages
- 15,086
- Reaction score
- 6,810
- Location
- Bridgeport, CT
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Libertarian - Right
Who knows what will happen, but there's a good chance many parents will hopefully pull their kids out of useless government schools:
Who knows what will happen, but there's a good chance many parents will hopefully pull their kids out of useless government schools:
Who knows what will happen, but there's a good chance many parents will hopefully pull their kids out of useless government schools:
What age? Do you intend to do this at the H.S. age?We decided to take our kids out of school and home school them. They're going to college anyway. They have to pass the GED, then take the SATs, etc.
I can't say I'm a fan of this, but I'm trying to stay open-minded. I also realize there's some really lousy public schools. But there are also some excellent ones in some jurisdictions. I'm in one, and am adjacent to several more.A lot of questions about the bias in this report.
There are indeed parents who do a very good job of teaching their children. Perhaps those kids should stay at home for their schooling.
But the one thing those parents don't have to do that the public teacher is deal with disruptive sometimes violent kids.
The report should have shown the families where the parents are too busy watching the TV to be bothered to teach their children.
Before the pandemic there was nothing outlawing a parent in working to help teach their kids in addition to what they got at school.
Of course the report cherry picked the homes to show.
It would be ideal if more parents became active in their child's schools. But there are just some sad cases out there.
Or maybe John Stossel is correct and we should just shut down the schools and let the parents do it all. Am certain that is how John got his education.
Who knows what will happen, but there's a good chance many parents will hopefully pull their kids out of useless government schools:
I can't say I'm a fan of this, but I'm trying to stay open-minded. I also realize there's some really lousy public schools. But there are also some excellent ones in some jurisdictions. I'm in one, and am adjacent to several more.
My fear would be during the kid's H.S. age, because I can't imagine any parent that would be able to give their kid a truly excellent competitive education in full breadth, at least compared to the better schools I'm familiar with. I just can't imagine most parents able to do well in things like Calculus, Physics, Creative Writing, Chem, Bio, Debate, etc. I can see a parent having superior skills in one or two disciplines, but not across them all. And that's to say nothing of extra-curricular stuff like music, sports, etc.
Colour me skeptical. I can see a kid getting a basic moderate lower level education this way, but I have my doubts of then being academically prepared to get into higher-level competitive schools. I'd be worried I'd be knee-capping my kid, not allowing them to realize their full potential & breadth.
I can't say I'm a fan of this, but I'm trying to stay open-minded. I also realize there's some really lousy public schools. But there are also some excellent ones in some jurisdictions. I'm in one, and am adjacent to several more.
A lot of questions about the bias in this report.
There are indeed parents who do a very good job of teaching their children. Perhaps those kids should stay at home for their schooling.
But the one thing those parents don't have to do that the public teacher is deal with disruptive sometimes violent kids.
The report should have shown the families where the parents are too busy watching the TV to be bothered to teach their children.
Before the pandemic there was nothing outlawing a parent in working to help teach their kids in addition to what they got at school.
Of course the report cherry picked the homes to show.
It would be ideal if more parents became active in their child's schools. But there are just some sad cases out there.
Or maybe John Stossel is correct and we should just shut down the schools and let the parents do it all. Am certain that is how John got his education.
Where will these people send their children? Do you suppose that Betsy DeVos can find openings for them in privately owned schools? Since you are advocating shutting down public schools, I'm very interested to hear your proposal as to where they should be educated and who will pay for that education?
Let me ask you this? Do you think the same parent that can adequately teach Calculus through differential equations, can also teach a kid to excel in Grammar & Composition, AP Economics, Chem, Bio, etc.? I find it very hard to believe one (or two) parents would have that breadth of skillset to be able to prepare a kid to get into a competitive university. Maybe I could be wrong, but even with spectacular instruction notes - I can't imagine it.‘government’ schools —> all that needs to be said —> con school boards
No. Not at all. At least not to put themselves in a position to excel.I understand your concern. Could you see that H.S. age kids, given the right format and direction, and assuming their own ambition, could learn at their own?
Imho, you’ll see Community/Junior College admissions skyrocket this decade, even next year. (This will of course have a negative effect on 4+ year college admissions.) Next year is just too much of an unknown.Let me ask you this? Do you think the same parent that can adequately teach Calculus through differential equations, can also teach a kid to excel in Grammar & Composition, AP Economics, Chem, Bio, etc.? I find it very hard to believe one (or two) parents would have that breadth of skillset to be able to prepare a kid to get into a competitive university. Maybe I could be wrong, but even with spectacular instruction notes - I can't imagine it.
So sad watching John Stossel turn into a deranged lunatic.
One thing is true though, if we had a better education system we wouldn't be in this mess. No Trump, Rational Government, and a pandemic that would have been anticipated and planned for so we aren't in this mess.
No. Not at all. At least not to put themselves in a position to excel.
We hear of rare people that can pick-up a calculus book, and teach themselves differential equations. But those are extremely rare birds. Most of us have to work our asses-off even with the help of an instructor. I would likely say ditto for many STEM & some other subjects.
I could possibly see this working at the grammar school level, but I have my doubts at high school. And I think we have to define the level of competitiveness. Is the kid going to go to a community college or a low level local 4 year state university that does not have competitive entrance requirements? Or does the kid intend to go to a competitive school?
If the goal is the enter a non-competitive school at the basic college entry level in the basic subjects, yeah maybe this might work out. But that level of education won't get the kid into a selective competitive school & program were the kids are coming-in with superior grades and a slew of AP classes under their belts.
But my biggest fear would be hindering one of my kids if they are a superior & competitive student that could benefit from a good high-school program that offers plenty of APs. That, and the kid missing out on the additional academic classes & activities a good high school program offers. The kid may be an excellent debater or have a knack for journalism or music. How will you know? How will he or she know?
Yes, There are indeed some very good public schools in some jurisdictions.Three of the public schools in my area have won national awards up against elite private academies.
The public school system I was educated in (Montgomery County Maryland) consistently outperformed almost every other school district in the country AND outperformed a good many private academies as well.
Oops. Sorry. Didn't mean to hit you with a wall of text. I'm passionate about kids & education. Yeah, I was arguing the long term aspects, not just during this pandemic.I suppose I am thinking short term, putting my hope in a vaccine and possible treatment, while yours is a long term argument.
Who knows what will happen, but there's a good chance many parents will hopefully pull their kids out of useless government schools:
An Expert said:there's no guarantee that kids are learning democratic values
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?