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One of the Causes of Western WILDFIRES >> Illegal Aliens

Antiwar said:
So the Mexican territory was for sale and the USG bought it with no force involved? Do I have your lie correct?
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The treaty called for the United States to pay US$15 million to Mexico and to pay off the claims of American citizens against Mexico up to US$5 million.

Mexico sold the land.
 
Fledermaus said:
The treaty called for the United States to pay US$15 million to Mexico and to pay off the claims of American citizens against Mexico up to US$5 million.

Mexico sold the land.
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The USG stole the land.
 
Fledermaus said:
That is a bald faced lie.

Mexico wanted war when the US annexed the Republic of Texas.
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"Annexed" means stole. Get real (you'd have to stop pretending you're libertarian).
 
Antiwar said:
The USG stole the land.
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Interesting how you are avoiding my questions. Will try again in a slightly different take.

who did the Mexican Government get the land from?
An alternative for you is to prove to us that the Mexican Government has always owned the land in question?
 
mike2810 said:
What the report dances around regarding the illegal crossers is the drug runners. The drug runners are the main reason fire tactics were changed. Main reason is that some of the illegals drug runners were armed. The typical illegal border crosser who is crossing to find work pose a problem of just being in the area. One cannot do a burn out if people are in the area and may be harmed.

In general, humans cause the majority of wildfires. Illegal border crossers are not the main human cause in the Southwest.
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The OP does not say that Illegal border crossers are the main human cause in the Southwest. It says, quote >> "One of the main causes of all these dangerous fires is illegal aliens lighting them."
 
venice_ca said:
You saw border patrol agents in the national forests of Northern California? That's where the major fires are now burning.
It still makes no sense for undocumented persons to turn to arson -- there's no reason for them to call attention to themselves.

I've lived in Los Angeles County all my life, and I don't recall ever personally having seen La Migra.
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It still makes sense for illegal aliens (documented or not) to turn arson, for the reason why they do it, as was fully explained in the OP (can you read ?)
 
Antiwar said:
You live in territory stolen from Mexico and Native Americans. Americans have destroyed much of the land and American industrialism is one of the biggest reasons that land is experiencing massive wildfires.
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Please explain how "American industrialism is one of the biggest reasons that land is experiencing massive wildfires." Please be specific, with source links.
 
protectionist75 said:
Please explain how "American industrialism is one of the biggest reasons that land is experiencing massive wildfires."
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Climate change has altered the water cycle. Climate change is caused by industrialism. Industrialism decimated most of the forests, before that. What grew back (or was planted) was more prone to problems because of reduced biodiversity. The Native Americans took much better care of the land; Europeans decimated it.

protectionist75 said:
Please be specific, with source links.
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No.
 
mike2810 said:
Did the Mexican Government give up claims to the territory under a treaty with the US?

www.archives.gov

The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo

En Español The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, that brought an official end to the Mexican-American War (1846-1848), was signed on February 2, 1848, at Guadalupe Hidalgo, a city north of the capital where the Mexican government had fled with the advance of U.S. forces. By its terms, Mexico ceded 55...
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Throughout human history one group has taken land from another group.
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In the case of Texas, originally, Mexico INVITED Americans to come and live in Texas (then part of Mexico), to help defend them from the fierce Comanches that were terrorizing the area. Americans moved there in large numbers, gave the Mexicans great assistance against the Comanches, and created a large American community in Texas.

Subsequently, the Mexicans decided they no longer wanted the Americans in Texas, and tried to boot them out. The Texans having established roots in Texas, had no intention of leaving, and eventually war developed. Anyone can take from this what they wish.
 
mike2810 said:
Interesting how you are avoiding my questions. Will try again in a slightly different take.

who did the Mexican Government get the land from?
An alternative for you is to prove to us that the Mexican Government has always owned the land in question?
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Your questions are irrelevant. If a car is stolen, it's stolen from its current owner.
 
armycowboy said:
Are books of matches still a thing? I haven't seen matches in years.
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But we should. Do you know how many disposable lighters are floating in that island of plastic garbage in the ocean?
 
protectionist75 said:
The OP does not say that Illegal border crossers are the main human cause in the Southwest. It says, quote >> "One of the main causes of all these dangerous fires is illegal aliens lighting them."
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Your reply does nothing to the point I made about the report not addressing the drug running aspect.

You can believe me or not. I spent 30 years in wildland fire management. Was in the SW (Arizona, New Mexico) for a good portion of my career. Oversaw fire operations in Arizona for one of the federal agencies from 1989 till I retired. I am quite aware of the GAO report. I also have first hand knowledge of the fire problem along the Arizona southern border and the impact of drug trafficker's. Some of the wildfires that are suspected to be caused by illegals were left campfires.
 
Antiwar said:
Your questions are irrelevant. If a car is stolen, it's stolen from its current owner.
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Your statement are irrelevant. Especially since you provide no proof that Mexicans owned the land.

Your dismissed.
 
protectionist75 said:
It still makes sense for illegal aliens (documented or not) to turn arson
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It makes no sense for an undocumented immigrant to do anything that calls attention to themselves, such as arson resulting in a wildfire. No need to distract border agents in the national forests of Northern California.
 
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