One More Lie, To Add to All the Rest

[US&THEM]

This was not a trial. The prosecutors offered a deal to Cohen which he accepted and the payoff was a defined sentence that was agreeable to all concerned.

This is literally a contract arrangement containing all of the needed components of a contract: Offer, acceptance and consideration.

This is not a legal judgement, it is a contract arrangement.

Yet Cohen is a convicted felon, what contract have you agreed to that you agreed to go to prison and become a felon? This is the Real world

 

[bluesmoke]

That entire paragraph that is highlighted is comprised entirely of lies, half truths and inaccuracies.

There are Hospital ships headed to New York and LA. There are mobile hospitals being set up by the FEDS in California, New York and Washington.

Yesterday, Cuomo asked for some critical piece of needed equipment. the Surgeon General sent him 2000 in the morning and another 2000 in the afternoon.

Feds send 2K ventilators to NYC, but new supply will only buy weeks of time

The doctors I was referring to were interviewed on TV: One was Dr. Oz and the other was Dr. Drew Pinskey. Both said the anecdotal evidence was enough to initiate tests.

Antony Fauci also said this following up the president's statement of hope endorsing the additional research.

Your links supporting your distortions of what the links said were evidence that what is written and what you understand from reading it has almost no relationship.

You hate Trump. I get it. You don't need to lie about everything to keep hating him.

"Yesterday, Cuomo asked for some critical piece of needed equipment. the Surgeon General sent him 2000 in the morning and another 2000 in the afternoon."

NO. Cuomo asked for critical equipment and got 400. He then called and complained to get 4,000 with 2,000 going to NYC from FEMA.

"You don't need to lie about everything to keep hating him."

Name one lie and prove it.

"Two doctors". Yeah. One being Dr. trump.

 

[bluesmoke]

His approval rating for handling the virus is something like 60%. There was no way America was going to escape this virus from China what with the air travel and mingling.

The situation would not be so bad but for the Public Health Threat-in-Chief, Dr. trump. And He wants to relax all restrictions by Easter. Do you think that's OK?

 

[Paradoxical]

The situation would not be so bad but for the Public Health Threat-in-Chief, Dr. trump. And He wants to relax all restrictions by Easter. Do you think that's OK?

I think it is far too restrictive as it is.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

You would have preferred this from the get go, right?

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(It would have made your short selling even better, I'm sure.)

Yeah, I would have preferred hair on fire. Are you living in a cave? Have you been outside? This is a ****ing catastrophe. Some urgency would have been appropriate and could have saved lives and saved our economy.

 

[code1211]

Yet Cohen is a convicted felon, what contract have you agreed to that you agreed to go to prison and become a felon? This is the Real world

About the only contracts I've agreed to involve the purchase of a service or commodity.

Thankfully, I've not put myself into a position where Cohen's choices have applied.

Of course, I've never run afoul of a Democrat Party petty tyrant, either. Perhaps my time will come.

 

[code1211]

"Yesterday, Cuomo asked for some critical piece of needed equipment. the Surgeon General sent him 2000 in the morning and another 2000 in the afternoon."

NO. Cuomo asked for critical equipment and got 400. He then called and complained to get 4,000 with 2,000 going to NYC from FEMA.

"You don't need to lie about everything to keep hating him."

Name one lie and prove it.

"Two doctors". Yeah. One being Dr. trump.

I named the two doctors and you ignored what I wrote. No surprise there. Seems like you references messages you receive that are unrelated to either reality or to what I post.

The Feds sent 4000 ventilators to New York. New York fouled up the reception and storage and distribution. That's on Cuomo, not Trump.

Name one lie?

You lied about the number of ventilators sent by the Feds to the state of New York. Seriously. You're making this TOO easy.

De Blasio announces Trump has sent 4,000 ventilators to New York | Daily Mail Online

 

[US&THEM]

About the only contracts I've agreed to involve the purchase of a service or commodity.

Thankfully, I've not put myself into a position where Cohen's choices have applied.

Of course, I've never run afoul of a Democrat Party petty tyrant, either. Perhaps my time will come.

Are you done with your circle jerk? You have the same argument Rush Limbaugh would attempt to make about his drug arrest.

 

[bluesmoke]

I think it is far too restrictive as it is.

You didn't answer the question. Do you think trump's suggestion to "reopen" by Easter is a good idea? Or, what would you think should be done?

 

[Paradoxical]

You didn't answer the question. Do you think trump's suggestion to "reopen" by Easter is a good idea? Or, what would you think should be done?

I think ALL cities that have small populations should have NEVER closed and I'm OK with leaving New York, parts of Los Angeles and skeleton staffs at government agencies until his expert advisers tell him it's OK. He could have certain smaller businesses in large cities reopen as a start.

Truth is, these cities have too many people per capita and that is the main reason they are seeing a lot more issues. Pack a herd of 10,000 buffaloes together and let one get sick and see how fast the rest of them do. this is called herd thinning.

 

[code1211]

Are you done with your circle jerk? You have the same argument Rush Limbaugh would attempt to make about his drug arrest.

And you have the same fantasy that a CNN anal-ist would have.

There was no trial. There was only a deal. The facts are the facts.

 

[US&THEM]

And you have the same fantasy that a CNN anal-ist would have.

There was no trial. There was only a deal. The facts are the facts.

The fact you think that there is any difference is strange.

 

[bluesmoke]

I named the two doctors and you ignored what I wrote. No surprise there. Seems like you references messages you receive that are unrelated to either reality or to what I post.

The Feds sent 4000 ventilators to New York. New York fouled up the reception and storage and distribution. That's on Cuomo, not Trump.

Name one lie?

You lied about the number of ventilators sent by the Feds to the state of New York. Seriously. You're making this TOO easy.

De Blasio announces Trump has sent 4,000 ventilators to New York | Daily Mail Online

“I named the two doctors and you ignored what I wrote. No surprise there. Seems like you references messages you receive that are unrelated to either reality or to what I post.”

I obviously recognized the two doctors by stating so in my post. Got it? I recognized them as being all of “two”, which is a negligible, insufficient number compared to all those that say otherwise.


“The Feds sent 4000 ventilators to New York. New York fouled up the reception and storage and distribution. That's on Cuomo, not Trump.”

No. Not the whole story. The feds sent 400 until Cuomo called and complained and thus got 4,000 sent.

What evidence do you have to back up your claim “New York fouled up the reception and storage and distribution”?


“You lied about the number of ventilators sent by the Feds to the state of New York. Seriously. You're making this TOO easy.”

De Blasio announces Trump has sent 4,000 ventilators to New York | Daily Mail Online

Your statement is false. You’re ignoring my statement “Cuomo asked for critical equipment and got 400. He then called and complained to get 4,000 with 2,000 going to NYC from FEMA.” which recognizes that the correct number of ventilators sent to New Your state. 4,000 + 400 = 4,400. Got it?

You ignore the facts when you debate. Or, you're simply incapable of absorbing such information. Maybe it's a condition of absorbing the opposite of what is said.

You failed to refute anything I said.

 

[JustHanging]

You would have preferred this from the get go, right?

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(It would have made your short selling even better, I'm sure.)

No, just a mature and honest approach. But based on where he spends his money, I suppose he thinks his base is too cowardly to deal with that.

Trump and G.O.P. Candidates Escalate Race and Fear as Election Ploys

Judging by your meme, it would seem you agree. Is that correct?

 

[JustHanging]

I think ALL cities that have small populations should have NEVER closed and I'm OK with leaving New York, parts of Los Angeles and skeleton staffs at government agencies until his expert advisers tell him it's OK. He could have certain smaller businesses in large cities reopen as a start.

Trump has already said he thinks it worth killing people, a lot of people, to get the economy going asap. Which of course is vital to his reelection chances in November.

So he's willing to kill a large number of people if it helps his campaign. And a lot of his base apparently agrees, although I'm sure they'll come up with other reasons. What a country eh.

 

[bluesmoke]

I think ALL cities that have small populations should have NEVER closed and I'm OK with leaving New York, parts of Los Angeles and skeleton staffs at government agencies until his expert advisers tell him it's OK. He could have certain smaller businesses in large cities reopen as a start.

Truth is, these cities have too many people per capita and that is the main reason they are seeing a lot more issues. Pack a herd of 10,000 buffaloes together and let one get sick and see how fast the rest of them do. this is called herd thinning.

If you don’t attend to the lower per caps by area, they will, w/o doubt, eventually contract the virus that otherwise would not be if they only “locked-down” as did the more densely pop areas. No locale or state should act any differently, IMO.

 

[Paradoxical]

Trump has already said he thinks it worth killing people, a lot of people, to get the economy going asap. Which of course is vital to his reelection chances in November.

So he's willing to kill a large number of people if it helps his campaign. And a lot of his base apparently agrees, although I'm sure they'll come up with other reasons. What a country eh.

Link, please

 

[Paradoxical]

If you don’t attend to the lower per caps by area, they will, w/o doubt, eventually contract the virus that otherwise would not be if they only “locked-down” as did the more densely pop areas. No locale or state should act any differently, IMO.

And I think this is absolute horse crap. Yesterday was a Saturday and we had an appointment in the San Fernando Valley here outside of Los Angeles and on the drive to and from of about 30 miles each way it looked almost like a regular work day. It appears that there are a lot of people going somewhere and I noted that many places were open, such as donut shops, drive throughs, barber shops, liquor stores, grocery stores and who knows what else. The traffic was heavier than what I would expect on a Saturday in normal times. Vons had red Xes on the floor in the checkout line spaced 6 feet apart and allowed only 150 people in the store max. This is not some rural town I'm talking about but it is not New York.

This was fine to me. I'm OK with that temporarily. When you research the cities hardest hit, they are primarily those that are the most densely populated. I have myself. I was surprised that a city called West Hollywood was the most heavily infected in all of Los Angeles. I didn't realize until I checked that West Hollywood is much to my surprise. Unbelievably, they are the 17th most populated city in all of the United States.

List of United States cities by population density - Wikipedia

I haven't done research on the other cities listed but the link shows New York topping the list by far in the top 20 and that answers the question of why they are having the most problems. There are just too many people living there per square mile. Like it or not, this is natures way of culling the herd.

 

[Mycroft]

No, just a mature and honest approach. But based on where he spends his money, I suppose he thinks his base is too cowardly to deal with that.

Where Trump spends his money is irrelevant.

Trump and G.O.P. Candidates Escalate Race and Fear as Election Ploys

Judging by your meme, it would seem you agree. Is that correct?

??? Something two years old? Is that the best you got?

You are dismissed. (see my sig)

 

[US&THEM]

Where Trump spends his money is irrelevant.



??? Something two years old? Is that the best you got?

You are dismissed. (see my sig)

Haha Trump never spends his own money.

 

[code1211]

The fact you think that there is any difference is strange.

The fact that you don't see a difference is a mystery.

 

[code1211]

“I named the two doctors and you ignored what I wrote. No surprise there. Seems like you references messages you receive that are unrelated to either reality or to what I post.”

I obviously recognized the two doctors by stating so in my post. Got it? I recognized them as being all of “two”, which is a negligible, insufficient number compared to all those that say otherwise.


“The Feds sent 4000 ventilators to New York. New York fouled up the reception and storage and distribution. That's on Cuomo, not Trump.”

No. Not the whole story. The feds sent 400 until Cuomo called and complained and thus got 4,000 sent.

What evidence do you have to back up your claim “New York fouled up the reception and storage and distribution”?


“You lied about the number of ventilators sent by the Feds to the state of New York. Seriously. You're making this TOO easy.”

De Blasio announces Trump has sent 4,000 ventilators to New York | Daily Mail Online

Your statement is false. You’re ignoring my statement “Cuomo asked for critical equipment and got 400. He then called and complained to get 4,000 with 2,000 going to NYC from FEMA.” which recognizes that the correct number of ventilators sent to New Your state. 4,000 + 400 = 4,400. Got it?

You ignore the facts when you debate. Or, you're simply incapable of absorbing such information. Maybe it's a condition of absorbing the opposite of what is said.

You failed to refute anything I said.

You are confused.

Relax, take a breath and think.

Have you EVER sent anything anywhere? When you send something, it gets sent.

It might be received later than when you send it. In truth, it is pretty much a certainty that it WILL be received ONLY AFTER you send it.

Your are listing things that do not conflict with each other as if they are in conflict.

The press is certainly confused and is relaying confusing information on this in a confusing manner. Your confusion probably rises from theirs.

Cuomo, as quoted in this link, seems to be addressing a stock pile of ventilators that New York already had. Trump, Pence the surgeon General and anyone else with knowledge on this addressed the ventilators sent.

You are trapped in the Prison of Two Ideas. If it's not this one thing, then it is definitely this other one, specific thing. That is an unwise and misleading place to live.

It's possible that there was already a stock pile of ventilators in New York, that 400 were sent in one move and that 4000 were sent in another two, separate moves.

What seems absolutely certain at this point is this: New York has ALL of the ventilators they started with, they also have the +400 sent by the Feds and the the +4000 sent by the Feds.

Another Certainty: No New Yorker that needed a ventilator has not had access to one.

Like the whole rabidly lying media corps, you are hating Trump and nit picking to attack him basing your venom on specific, uncertain and misleading inaccuracies.

In the meantime, Trump is working his tail off to help. That is what is really happening while you sit stewing in your hate and continue to allow your life, your spirit and your heart to corroded by it as a result.

Fact check: Trump makes another round of misstatements during coronavirus briefing - KTVZ

 

[US&THEM]

The fact that you don't see a difference is a mystery.

When 2 people are sitting in prison for 5 years does the one who plead guilty get to brag he/she didn’t have a trial?

 

[code1211]

When 2 people are sitting in prison for 5 years does the one who plead guilty get to brag he/she didn’t have a trial?

I suppose that person or the other can brag about anything they want to brag about.

What makes you ask?

 

[US&THEM]

I suppose that person or the other can brag about anything they want to brag about.

What makes you ask?

When a convicted felon applies for a job do you believe the future employer would ask did you have a trial or did you plead guilty because you think there is a difference?