One danger of an election like this

[Craig234]

I've long felt that a road to danger is when 'one side is so bad you have to vote for the other side unconditionally'. That removes pressure from the second side to 'earn votes' and listen to the voters. It opens the door for almost anything to get elected.

Before saying anything else, I'll clarify that I don't think Harris is such a danger, that we're lucky we can expect her to do at least 'basic decent Democratic policy governing' and quite possibly better, we're lucky that's the case.

Democracy does more what it's supposed to when it offers 'decent' candidates and each offers acceptable governing, with voters able to more fine tune the pick on less important policies.

What if Harris also said she will implement Project 2025? The country would face a disaster. Two decent candidates is safer; when one is a monster, that leaves one safety valve of the other candidate. One candidate away from disaster.

This is a reason is matters to everyone for the Republicans to be corrupt and to radicalize. Short-sighted Democrats love it - 'it makes them easier to beat!'. But it creates danger (there's an analogy here of Hillary wanting trump as her opponent thinking she could beat him more easily).

It's almost inevitable that Republicans will get power again before long. Anything we can do to help them be a better party for when that happens could be important for the country. Unfortunately, it's not easy - they are backed by big money that isn't subject to influence. It'll take trying to pull away their voters from their indoctrination, and with our media setup, it's not clear how to do that. Socially, activist groups, trying to appear on Fox, might help a little.

 

[Michael Cole]

Okay, now that I've read the Daily Jumble, all I can think of is Lost in Space.

 

[ataraxia]

Since Nixon, the GOP has just been a coalition of racists and plutocrats- each helping the other maintain their perceived advantage and hegemonic ny in society. The tacists provide the votes, the plutocrats provide the money.

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."
-Kevin Phillips, chief campaign advisor to Richard Nixon and Republican Party strategist, in 1970

Southern strategy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[highroller]

I've long felt that a road to danger is when 'one side is so bad you have to vote for the other side unconditionally'. That removes pressure from the second side to 'earn votes' and listen to the voters. It opens the door for almost anything to get elected.

Before saying anything else, I'll clarify that I don't think Harris is such a danger, that we're lucky we can expect her to do at least 'basic decent Democratic policy governing' and quite possibly better, we're lucky that's the case.

Democracy does more what it's supposed to when it offers 'decent' candidates and each offers acceptable governing, with voters able to more fine tune the pick on less important policies.

What if Harris also said she will implement Project 2025? The country would face a disaster. Two decent candidates is safer; when one is a monster, that leaves one safety valve of the other candidate. One candidate away from disaster.

This is a reason is matters to everyone for the Republicans to be corrupt and to radicalize. Short-sighted Democrats love it - 'it makes them easier to beat!'. But it creates danger (there's an analogy here of Hillary wanting trump as her opponent thinking she could beat him more easily).

It's almost inevitable that Republicans will get power again before long. Anything we can do to help them be a better party for when that happens could be important for the country. Unfortunately, it's not easy - they are backed by big money that isn't subject to influence. It'll take trying to pull away their voters from their indoctrination, and with our media setup, it's not clear how to do that. Socially, activist groups, trying to appear on Fox, might help a little.

There is no side that is so bad America will not vote for them.

The more political analysts that understand this, the better they will be at elections.

 

[redbeer]

I've long felt that a road to danger is when 'one side is so bad you have to vote for the other side unconditionally'. That removes pressure from the second side to 'earn votes' and listen to the voters. It opens the door for almost anything to get elected.

Before saying anything else, I'll clarify that I don't think Harris is such a danger, that we're lucky we can expect her to do at least 'basic decent Democratic policy governing' and quite possibly better, we're lucky that's the case.

Democracy does more what it's supposed to when it offers 'decent' candidates and each offers acceptable governing, with voters able to more fine tune the pick on less important policies.

What if Harris also said she will implement Project 2025? The country would face a disaster. Two decent candidates is safer; when one is a monster, that leaves one safety valve of the other candidate. One candidate away from disaster.

This is a reason is matters to everyone for the Republicans to be corrupt and to radicalize. Short-sighted Democrats love it - 'it makes them easier to beat!'. But it creates danger (there's an analogy here of Hillary wanting trump as her opponent thinking she could beat him more easily).

It's almost inevitable that Republicans will get power again before long. Anything we can do to help them be a better party for when that happens could be important for the country. Unfortunately, it's not easy - they are backed by big money that isn't subject to influence. It'll take trying to pull away their voters from their indoctrination, and with our media setup, it's not clear how to do that. Socially, activist groups, trying to appear on Fox, might help a little.

The left has brought Hillary, Biden, and now Harris......these are not good candidates. Which is why the left has opted for attacking the opposition at all costs, dehumanization to win elections, for it has not been through good, decent candidates.

It continues on steroids in this election. It is a serious impediment to our Republic to not elect "representational" candidates, but constantly voting "against", not caring who it is the 'against' vote elects into office. We are into third world politics today.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

The left has brought Hillary, Biden, and now Harris......these are not good candidates. Which is why the left has opted for attacking the opposition at all costs,

You're kidding. This is a Trump voter saying this? LOL.

dehumanization to win elections,

See above.

for it has not been through good, decent candidates.

OMG. See above. ROFL

It continues on steroids in this election. It is a serious impediment to our Republic to not elect "representational" candidates, but constantly voting "against", not caring who it is the 'against' vote elects into office.

Bull. We know what we want. Bodily rights. Normalcy. Acceptance of all Americans, not just white males of status. A focus on education. A fresh start. A clean environment. A president of sound mind.

We are into third world politics today.

Blah blah third world blah blah banana republic blah blah communism blah blah other shit Pubs terrify other Pubs with, but which never happens.

 

[multivita-man]

I've long felt that a road to danger is when 'one side is so bad you have to vote for the other side unconditionally'. That removes pressure from the second side to 'earn votes' and listen to the voters. It opens the door for almost anything to get elected.

Not necessarily. Nobody has to vote. I certainly think that not voting is a failure of civic duty, but individuals can choose to be bad citizens if they want. Part of Harris' job is to inspire fait and confidence that our votes matter. Our job is to keep participating in the system, even when we get frustrated or disappointed. In fact most of our participation ends with voting, but it really should go well beyond that.

 

[highroller]

The left has brought Hillary, Biden, and now Harris......these are not good candidates. Which is why the left has opted for attacking the opposition at all costs, dehumanization to win elections, for it has not been through good, decent candidates.

It continues on steroids in this election. It is a serious impediment to our Republic to not elect "representational" candidates, but constantly voting "against", not caring who it is the 'against' vote elects into office. We are into third world politics today.

Republicans have been on the warpath against this country since 2009.

 

[redbeer]

You're kidding. This is a Trump voter saying this? LOL.

You think Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris are good candidates?......well, this is the problem.

Bull. We know what we want. Bodily rights. Normalcy. Acceptance of all Americans, not just white males of status. A focus on education. A fresh start. A clean environment. A president of sound mind.

Lol, of course racism is on your mind. Same, lame typical bs that lousy candidates bring out.

Blah blah third world blah blah banana republic blah blah communism blah blah other shit Pubs terrify other Pubs with, but which never happens.

The democrats were talking of assassinating Trump just prior to the attempt.....yes, the democrats are into "third world" politics.

 

[highroller]

The democrats were talking of assassinating Trump just prior to the attempt.....yes, the democrats are into "third world" politics.

No they weren’t. Get your head out of your you-know-what.

 

[jpevans]

Since Nixon, the GOP has just been a coalition of racists and plutocrats- each helping the other maintain their perceived advantage and hegemonic ny in society. The tacists provide the votes, the plutocrats provide the money.

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats."
-Kevin Phillips, chief campaign advisor to Richard Nixon and Republican Party strategist, in 1970

Southern strategy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Republicans of today are the end result of the long range plan of Moscow Mitch McConnell, the Koch Brothers & other R visionaries. The misstep is Drumpf. The Drumpf exposed the goals with his buffoonery & set them back a few steps. They own the SCOTUS. They’ll be back with a better leader.
We have to expect the R’s will rise again. We also have to keep a critical eye on the D’s. Parties have morphed before.

 

[Perotista]

I've long felt that a road to danger is when 'one side is so bad you have to vote for the other side unconditionally'. That removes pressure from the second side to 'earn votes' and listen to the voters. It opens the door for almost anything to get elected.

Before saying anything else, I'll clarify that I don't think Harris is such a danger, that we're lucky we can expect her to do at least 'basic decent Democratic policy governing' and quite possibly better, we're lucky that's the case.

Democracy does more what it's supposed to when it offers 'decent' candidates and each offers acceptable governing, with voters able to more fine tune the pick on less important policies.

What if Harris also said she will implement Project 2025? The country would face a disaster. Two decent candidates is safer; when one is a monster, that leaves one safety valve of the other candidate. One candidate away from disaster.

This is a reason is matters to everyone for the Republicans to be corrupt and to radicalize. Short-sighted Democrats love it - 'it makes them easier to beat!'. But it creates danger (there's an analogy here of Hillary wanting trump as her opponent thinking she could beat him more easily).

It's almost inevitable that Republicans will get power again before long. Anything we can do to help them be a better party for when that happens could be important for the country. Unfortunately, it's not easy - they are backed by big money that isn't subject to influence. It'll take trying to pull away their voters from their indoctrination, and with our media setup, it's not clear how to do that. Socially, activist groups, trying to appear on Fox, might help a little.

Who decides which candidate is bad or if both are bad? 2016 was the kind of election you’re talking about when both parties fielded candidate viewed unworthy. Americans viewed Hillary Clinton 38% favorable/56% unfavorable, Trump at 36% favorable/60% unfavorable which included 25% of all Americans having an unfavorable view of both, 54% of swing voters had an unfavorable view of both. There definitely quite a lot of voters voting for the lesser of two evils, the least worse candidate or the candidate they wanted to lose the least. In 2016 you had 6% of the electorate vote third party against both Trump and Clinton which included 12% of independents. How many stayed home refusing to choose between them is unknown but estimated to be quite a lot.

One could say only democrats liked and wanted Clinton, only republicans liked and wanted Trump, most Americans didn’t want neither one. 2024 was shaping up to be another election like 2016 where most Americans didn’t want neither Trump nor Biden to become the next president. Two bad choices much like 2016 in most Americans minds. Then the democrats got smart, dumped Biden, went with Harris. What do most Americans think of both these candidates. Trump 44% have a favorable view of him 53% unfavorable. Harris, 46% favorable, 49% unfavorable. But Harris is new and believe it or not, is an unknown quantity to a lot of Americans unlike the known quantities of Biden and Trump. Remember, most Americans aren’t political junkies. Trump’s and Harris’s favorable/unfavorable are right below Biden’s in the link below.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/favorability/political-leaders

It’s interesting in breaking down via party how Trump and Harris are seen. Which is the bad candidate or are both bad? Harris, democrats 91% favorable/6% unfavorable, republicans 8% favorable/92% unfavorable, independents 40% favorable/51% unfavorable. Trump democrats 7% favorable/92% unfavorable, republicans 89% favorable/11% unfavorable, independents 36% favorable/57% unfavorable.

Who’s the bad candidate or are both bad? Depends on whose eyes one is viewing these candidates. For republicans, Trump is good, Harris is bad. For Democrats Harris is good, Trump is bad. Independents classify both as bad, but Harris is less bad. At least in their minds. There is no doubt that Harris is better than Biden who is viewed favorably by only 39% of all Americans, unfavorably by 56%.

Since 1956, 2016 was the first election where both major party candidates were viewed by less than 50% favorably and more than 50% unfavorably by all Americans. Until 2016 all major party candidates had a favorable of more than 50% and an unfavorable of less than 50%. We’ve entered a political era of polarization, the great divide, the super, mega, ultra-high partisanship to where we’ll probably never see again both major party candidates of having a favorable of above 50% or an unfavorable below 50%. Which candidate is the bad candidate, that depends on which major party one belongs to or if an independent, both are bad.

 

[ataraxia]

The Republicans of today are the end result of the long range plan of Moscow Mitch McConnell, the Koch Brothers & other R visionaries. The misstep is Drumpf. The Drumpf exposed the goals with his buffoonery & set them back a few steps. They own the SCOTUS. They’ll be back with a better leader.
We have to expect the R’s will rise again. We also have to keep a critical eye on the D’s. Parties have morphed before.

The long term planning by Republicans goes much further back than that- to Nixon's Southern Strategy: a powerful coalition between bigots and plutocrats, each helping the other maintain their hegemony.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

You think Hillary Clinton,

She won the popular vote, so yes. Obviously she was a decent candidate. It's not like she tanked. The EC was the decider. The GOP hasn't won the popular vote in how long now? Because they can't put forth a decent candidate. Among other reasons.

Joe Biden,

Yes. He kicked your candidate's ass.

and Kamala Harris

Yes. She's kicking your candidate's ass.

are good candidates?.

Yes.

.....well, this is the problem.

Seems like it's the GOP's problem. Again.

Lol, of course racism is on your mind. Same, lame typical bs that lousy candidates bring out.

LOL, out of all the things I named, wanting to reach out to more than one small segment of society is the ONLY thing you saw (and apparently you saw that as "lame," no less). Of course racism is on your mind. It's one of the triggers the GOP grooms its base to react to.

The democrats were talking of assassinating Trump just prior to the attempt.....

Nope.

yes, the democrats are into "third world" politics.

Nope, but trigger phrases like that one, apropos of nothing, are so very MAGA.

 

[EnchantedMuggle]

Republicans have been on the warpath against this country since 2009.

Yup.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

I've long felt that a road to danger is when 'one side is so bad you have to vote for the other side unconditionally'. That removes pressure from the second side to 'earn votes' and liste

It's almost inevitable that Republicans will get power again before long. Anything we can do to help them be a better party for when that happens could be important for the country. Unfortunately, it's not easy - they are backed by big money that isn't subject to influence. It'll take trying to pull away their voters from their indoctrination, and with our media setup, it's not clear how to do that. Socially, activist groups, trying to appear on Fox, might help a little.

LOL...this is hilarious!! Like this can actually happen. Only Republican voters can make their fascist political party change. Democracy is over if they control the White House again. Period.

This is almost as dumb as you thinking the all-powerful "oligarchs" will control Trump if he is in the White House again.

Ask the billionaire oligarchs in Russia if they have any control over Putin. Ask them if they regret supporting him.

 

[Hypothetical]

I've long felt that a road to danger is when 'one side is so bad you have to vote for the other side unconditionally'. That removes pressure from the second side to 'earn votes' and listen to the voters. It opens the door for almost anything to get elected.

Before saying anything else, I'll clarify that I don't think Harris is such a danger, that we're lucky we can expect her to do at least 'basic decent Democratic policy governing' and quite possibly better, we're lucky that's the case.

Democracy does more what it's supposed to when it offers 'decent' candidates and each offers acceptable governing, with voters able to more fine tune the pick on less important policies.

What if Harris also said she will implement Project 2025? The country would face a disaster. Two decent candidates is safer; when one is a monster, that leaves one safety valve of the other candidate. One candidate away from disaster.

This is a reason is matters to everyone for the Republicans to be corrupt and to radicalize. Short-sighted Democrats love it - 'it makes them easier to beat!'. But it creates danger (there's an analogy here of Hillary wanting trump as her opponent thinking she could beat him more easily).

It's almost inevitable that Republicans will get power again before long. Anything we can do to help them be a better party for when that happens could be important for the country. Unfortunately, it's not easy - they are backed by big money that isn't subject to influence. It'll take trying to pull away their voters from their indoctrination, and with our media setup, it's not clear how to do that. Socially, activist groups, trying to appear on Fox, might help a little.

after the failure that Biden has been, and the Failure that Harris will be to normal americans, I believe you are correct that Republicans will regain the ticket soon after a possible Harris term in office, if it comes to that. the only problem is, how bad will America's future be in the tenuous and vulnerable 4 years she has to screw things up royally.

I can see us not being the leading world power in 4 years, nor having the world currency in our pocket, which will spell great hurt for our economic base.

 

[Craig234]

Republicans have been on the warpath against this country since 2009.

Longer than that.

 

[gbg3]

Which candidate is the bad candidate, that depends on which major party one belongs to or if an independent, both are bad.

Yeah, absolutely!

And in this election, now with Harris in as the nominee - people standing in their opposite corners with solid support while also strongly seeing the other corner as bad/negative, is alive and well.

 

[Craig234]

And in this election, now with Harris in as the nominee - people standing in their opposite corners with solid support while also strongly seeing the other corner as bad/negative, is alive and well.

That's such an empty comment. It's false equivalency, recognizing nothing about the craziness, ignorance, manipulation of the right, or the left being correct to oppose a historic traitorous threat to the country. It's the worst sort of hiding of the issues, like saying 'ok, the rape convict AND the prosecutor were bad' when the prosecutor did nothing wrong.

 

[gbg3]

That's such an empty comment. It's false equivalency, recognizing nothing about the craziness, ignorance, manipulation of the right, or the left being correct to oppose a historic traitorous threat to the country. It's the worst sort of hiding of the issues, like saying 'ok, the rape convict AND the prosecutor were bad' when the prosecutor did nothing wrong.

My comment is simple reality and yours is nothing but heavy partisan bias.

This quote below is just the way it actually is, whether you want it to be that way or think it should be that way. It's just factual, not empty. Dems have strong support for Harris and think Trump is bad. Reps have strong support for Trump and think Harris is bad. Various current polls vary as to whom Independents are favoring, which way more Independents are "leaning", etc. But in general, Independents aren't thrilled about either one of them.

Who’s the bad candidate or are both bad? Depends on whose eyes one is viewing these candidates. For republicans, Trump is good, Harris is bad. For Democrats Harris is good, Trump is bad.

 

[Craig234]

My comment is simple reality and yours is nothing but heavy partisan bias.

IMO, you're in a bubble, and not hearing anything. Good luck.

 

[Perotista]

Yeah, absolutely!

And in this election, now with Harris in as the nominee - people standing in their opposite corners with solid support while also strongly seeing the other corner as bad/negative, is alive and well.

That’s the truth. 92% of Republicans view Harris as bad or evil while the same percentage of Democrats view Trump as being bad or evil. That statement of yours couldn’t be any truer. Independents view both as being bad, but Harris a bit less bad than Trump which is showing up in the polls that show Harris finally pully slightly ahead of Trump. Looking at trends, from a Biden vs. Trump on 21 July to today, Biden was receiving 39.2% of the vote vs. Harris today at 46.4%. Trump was at 43.4% on 21 July vs. Biden, today at 44.9% vs. Harris. Most of Harris’s 7-point gain came from third party voters, 12% intending on voting third party against both Trump and Biden on 21 July, that’s cut in half today with only 6% intending on voting third party.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...24/trump-vs-biden-vs-kennedy-vs-west-vs-stein

https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...4/trump-vs-harris-vs-kennedy-vs-stein-vs-west

The bottom line seems to be Harris is more acceptable a candidate to those who disliked and didn’t want neither Trump nor Biden as the next president as they’re much more open to Harris than they were to Biden. Trump continues to be disliked and unwanted by this group of voters.

 

[gbg3]

That’s the truth. 92% of Republicans view Harris as bad or evil while the same percentage of Democrats view Trump as being bad or evil. That statement of yours couldn’t be any truer. Independents view both as being bad, but Harris a bit less bad than Trump which is showing up in the polls that show Harris finally pully slightly ahead of Trump. Looking at trends, from a Biden vs. Trump on 21 July to today, Biden was receiving 39.2% of the vote vs. Harris today at 46.4%. Trump was at 43.4% on 21 July vs. Biden, today at 44.9% vs. Harris. Most of Harris’s 7-point gain came from third party voters, 12% intending on voting third party against both Trump and Biden on 21 July, that’s cut in half today with only 6% intending on voting third party.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...24/trump-vs-biden-vs-kennedy-vs-west-vs-stein

https://www.realclearpolling.com/po...4/trump-vs-harris-vs-kennedy-vs-stein-vs-west

The bottom line seems to be Harris is more acceptable a candidate to those who disliked and didn’t want neither Trump nor Biden as the next president as they’re much more open to Harris than they were to Biden. Trump continues to be disliked and unwanted by this group of voters.

Harris if far more acceptable than Biden, to Dems. Dems are motivated about her. And as far as those who don't want either, that number has dropped a lot. Voters have now chosen their corners - regardless of whether they like that nominee or not. The motivation to vote is high and most voters are now very decided. While there were never Trump Republicans who would consider a Biden vote, I think there are VERY few of those who will consider a Harris vote. She's viewed as very far left by conservatives despite all attempts to paint her as moderate. And she just reinforced that really leftist GOP view of her with her Friday speech on the economy. Frankly, I was shocked at what she said.

I was not able to look at the drill down details of the ABC poll out today (without subscribing), but I was able to look at nearly 100 pages of the drill down details of the new CBS poll. One thing I could look at was Independents and I'll post that screenshot below, from the CBS details. But one thing that caught my eye were the age groups. Detail perusal is a time consuming process so I'm not willing to go back today, to look at previous CBS polling details when Biden was still in the race. But I certainly did spend time doing so back then and if my memory is correct, I think Biden was polling pretty well with the over 65 crowd and I think he had an edge on Trump with that group. The reason I remember that is the old people are known to be more conservative and the young people more liberal and I think the Biden/Trump race had surprising polling in those categories - with a higher number (than typical) of the oldest group planning to vote for Biden and a higher number (than typical) of the younger groups planning to vote for Trump. In some/even several polls Trump even led with the younger voters and Biden with the older voters when the race was Biden vs Trump. Now, I'm seeing shifts, more back to the previous norms with those oldest/youngest voter categories.

 

[The AntiDonald]

You think Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Kamala Harris are good candidates?......well, this is the problem.



Lol, of course racism is on your mind. Same, lame typical bs that lousy candidates bring out.


The democrats were talking of assassinating Trump just prior to the attempt.....yes, the democrats are into "third world" politics.

Can you provide us some quotes of this happening or a reputable news source confirming this?

I can guarantee you examples of republicans threatening lives of democrats. You start !