Once again the GOP controlled SCOTUS does as ordered by the GOP

[independentusa]

The notion that representative democracy requires majority black districts is an absurd position based on the racist assumption that the wants, needs, and interests of black people are identical owing their skin color. So what you end up with are crazy-looking gerrymandered maps where the wants, needs, and interests of suburban and rural blacks are completely silenced by inner city voting blocks. It’s a terrible practice that needs to go away.

THis was done to eliminate the power of black voters by diluting their votes by addins sections of the area before controlled by black voters and put small sections into areas totally controlled by GOP and white voters. . It is like they are doing in Tennessee where they are breaking up the city of Nashville like a pie and attaching those pieces to GOP controlled areas to eliminate the Dem base of power in that state. The difference is that the voting rights law does not allow that to be done because of race.

 

[RedFishBlueFish]

The notion that representative democracy requires majority black districts is an absurd position based on the racist assumption that the wants, needs, and interests of black people are identical owing their skin color. So what you end up with are crazy-looking gerrymandered maps where the wants, needs, and interests of suburban and rural blacks are completely silenced by inner city voting blocks. It’s a terrible practice that needs to go away.

And who's fault is that? Going back to the thread topic, the SCOTUS ruled that they cannot adjudicate partisan redistricting. They didn't rule, however, that the SCOTUS can't adjudicate maps designed to dilute the voting power of racial minorities. Thus, that is about the only way that gerrymandering can now be challenged.

The SCOTUS attacked voting rights in the 2019 decision and they are attacking it again now.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

A lower court found the maps drawn up by the GOP in Alabama violated the Voting right's act, and also the rights of black voters in Alabama, but once again the 5 GOP justices have overruled the lower court and made this kind of gerrymandering okay, especially once told to do so by the GOP. Roberts once again voted with the more liberal justices in the 5-4 decision, showing once again that this court is ruled by the politics of the so called conservative justices, rather than the constitution. Each one of these obviously political decisions by the GOP controlled justices does more damage to the court and the belief by anyone with a brain that they are any longer the impartial arbiters of the law.

I don't see any hope for us. The system is rigged for the republcians terrorists. They have the courts, they are pushing gerrymandering, they are passing voter suppression laws that The SCOTUS RW Clerics will allow to fly. ScOTUS was the last line of defense for the people, now even they are bought and paid for

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

At last sound Dems were leading the Gerrymandering race. Stop whining.

Stop looking up your ass for things./ That is a lie. For decades republicans get million less votes but pick up more seats

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/08/democrats-republicans-senate-majority-minority-rule

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/13/least-three-states-republicans-lost-popular-vote-won-house/

Twice in the last 20 years, their presidential candidate got more votes but lost the election. And now that the 2022 redistricting cycle is beginning, Republicans in many states will be able to get fewer votes but end up with a majority of seats.


In the Senate, many Democrats say a system designed to protect the rights of smaller states has turned into partisan minority rule. According to the Constitution, every state — no matter if it has 1 million people, or 30 million — gets two senators.

 

[less right]

At last sound Dems were leading the Gerrymandering race. Stop whining.

A real trick when a majority of the "gerrymandering" bodies are the Republican elected state governments.

 

[Chase Morgan]

At last sound Dems were leading the Gerrymandering race. Stop whining.

LOL ... fat and stupid is no way to go thru life, dude...

... The AP scrutinized the outcomes of all 435 U.S. House races and about 4,700 state House and Assembly seats up for election last year using a new statistical method of calculating partisan advantage. It’s designed to detect cases in which one party may have won, widened or retained its grip on power through political gerrymandering.

The analysis found four times as many states with Republican-skewed state House or Assembly districts than Democratic ones. Among the two dozen most populated states that determine the vast majority of Congress, there were nearly three times as many with Republican-tilted U.S. House districts. ...

https://www.businessinsider.com/par...efited-republicans-more-than-democrats-2017-6

 

[independentusa]

LOL ... fat and stupid is no way to go thru life, dude...

... The AP scrutinized the outcomes of all 435 U.S. House races and about 4,700 state House and Assembly seats up for election last year using a new statistical method of calculating partisan advantage. It’s designed to detect cases in which one party may have won, widened or retained its grip on power through political gerrymandering.

The analysis found four times as many states with Republican-skewed state House or Assembly districts than Democratic ones. Among the two dozen most populated states that determine the vast majority of Congress, there were nearly three times as many with Republican-tilted U.S. House districts. ...

https://www.businessinsider.com/par...efited-republicans-more-than-democrats-2017-6

You have to realize that Trumpsters and the GOPers do not go by the facts such as you have shown, but by what they are told by Fox News or Trump. You trying to get them to understand that Fox or Trump are just telling them lies is probably a waste of both your and my time. We try, but the stupid can not be taught. At lest we try I guess.

 

[Napoleon]

THis was done to eliminate the power of black voters by diluting their votes by addins sections of the area before controlled by black voters and put small sections into areas totally controlled by GOP and white voters. . It is like they are doing in Tennessee where they are breaking up the city of Nashville like a pie and attaching those pieces to GOP controlled areas to eliminate the Dem base of power in that state. The difference is that the voting rights law does not allow that to be done because of race.

That is how it is being characterized. If they’re redistributed into areas that more closely align to their location and circumstances then it’s a better map than gerrymandering a bunch of majority black districts controlled by inner city voting blocs. Also, I’m curious, why is it that blacks are the only minority in America for which it is claimed that it’s not representative democracy unless they’re gerrymandered into a majority?

 

[ultmd]

Nice speech. Pure BS, but nice.

Looks like someone feels convicted.

Good. That was the point.

 

[Bullseye]

iLOL ... fat and stupid is no way to go thru life, dude...

... The AP scrutinized the outcomes of all 435 U.S. House races and about 4,700 state House and Assembly seats up for election last year using a new statistical method of calculating partisan advantage. It’s designed to detect cases in which one party may have won, widened or retained its grip on power through political gerrymandering.

The analysis found four times as many states with Republican-skewed state House or Assembly districts than Democratic ones. Among the two dozen most populated states that determine the vast majority of Congress, there were nearly three times as many with Republican-tilted U.S. House districts. ...

https://www.businessinsider.com/par...efited-republicans-more-than-democrats-2017-6

Problem is I was talking to the current situation, e.g. 2022, not 2017 which is the date on your link. I saw the story a few days ago - if I find some time I'll dig it up and post it.

 

[Bullseye]

A real trick when a majority of the "gerrymandering" bodies are the Republican elected state governments.

This only counts the ones that are redrawing lines.

 

[independentusa]

That is how it is being characterized. If they’re redistributed into areas that more closely align to their location and circumstances then it’s a better map than gerrymandering a bunch of majority black districts controlled by inner city voting blocs. Also, I’m curious, why is it that blacks are the only minority in America for which it is claimed that it’s not representative democracy unless they’re gerrymandered into a majority?

Are you that naive that you would believe that it was so. Areas of similar interest are supposed to be kept together. If you want to know how I know that, in 1990, I helped the County planner in the county in which I live to set up the computer program to redistrict the plan for county supervisors for our county government. Part of the computer program was to keep areas of similar interest together as much as possible, not to break them up for political gain. Once we were done, no one argued about the new districts as there politics involved in their set up. Those gerrymandered districts in Alabama and Nashville were done so to break up Dem districts. That is why in elections the party that has gerrymandered districts can garner only 45% of votes for the legislature and yee get 60% of the seats. Not exactly one man one vote.

 

[less right]

This only counts the ones that are redrawing lines.

That would be all of them based on the new census.

 

[Port & Starboard]

A lower court found the maps drawn up by the GOP in Alabama violated the Voting right's act, and also the rights of black voters in Alabama, but once again the 5 GOP justices have overruled the lower court and made this kind of gerrymandering okay, especially once told to do so by the GOP. Roberts once again voted with the more liberal justices in the 5-4 decision, showing once again that this court is ruled by the politics of the so called conservative justices, rather than the constitution. Each one of these obviously political decisions by the GOP controlled justices does more damage to the court and the belief by anyone with a brain that they are any longer the impartial arbiters of the law.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........

Those poor liberals didn't have enough time to judge shop to get their own way.

 

[Bullseye]

That would be all of them based on the new census.

Not necessarily.

 

[Craig234]

The Right sees government as evil (until they are in control), and see politics as a zero-sum game where compromise and consensus are words never spoken....and "democracy" is an inconvenience that can/should be blown up, when necessary.

The right supports plutocracy. So when they control government, it's a tool for helping the few get all the wealth and power. When the government is serving the people against the plutocrats, then it's big bad evil government tyranny.

 

[Craig234]

The court's behavior is easier to understand if you see the videos I posted about of Sen. Whitehouse explaining "the scheme". Episode 5 about the Federalist Society is particularly relevant.

 

[Linc]

Of course, a Democrat SCOTUS would never think to vote their politics. Naaaah....

When was the last Democratic scotus? The gop scotus elected Bush-43 against the will of the American people.

 

[Razoo]

A lower court found the maps drawn up by the GOP in Alabama violated the Voting right's act, and also the rights of black voters in Alabama, but once again the 5 GOP justices have overruled the lower court and made this kind of gerrymandering okay, especially once told to do so by the GOP. Roberts once again voted with the more liberal justices in the 5-4 decision, showing once again that this court is ruled by the politics of the so called conservative justices, rather than the constitution. Each one of these obviously political decisions by the GOP controlled justices does more damage to the court and the belief by anyone with a brain that they are any longer the impartial arbiters of the law.

The fact of the matter I do not believe the courts should have the last word. Now that the radical rights have control of course they will push just about anything to the Supreme Court.

People need to stand up and shout loud "LET US DECIDE" =

This kind of activity should not be in the courtroom ever. Actually boundary changing should be put to the voters mostly because those changing the boundary lines have monster conflicts of interests.

Gerrymandering should be illegal.

 

[Razoo]

You do not get it, you can gerrymander for political purposes, but not to discriminate against people of color. I know you can not see the difference, but the lower court followed the law, while the GOPers on the court re going to overturn the voting rights law as it harms the GOP in their efforts to retain control and eliminate the power of Dem voters.

Thank you ......... I say no courtrooms

 

[Razoo]

When was the last Democratic scotus? The gop scotus elected Bush-43 against the will of the American people.

yes ..........very true. Here again this matter should not have been decided in a courtroom. Try calling for another vote by the people.

 

[mrjurrs]

A lower court found the maps drawn up by the GOP in Alabama violated the Voting right's act, and also the rights of black voters in Alabama, but once again the 5 GOP justices have overruled the lower court and made this kind of gerrymandering okay, especially once told to do so by the GOP. Roberts once again voted with the more liberal justices in the 5-4 decision, showing once again that this court is ruled by the politics of the so called conservative justices, rather than the constitution. Each one of these obviously political decisions by the GOP controlled justices does more damage to the court and the belief by anyone with a brain that they are any longer the impartial arbiters of the law.

This shadow docket should come before SCOTUS, can't see that it follows the rule of law.

 

[Linc]

yes ..........very true.

The GestapOPutins won this century with that Rehnquist court ‘ruling’.

 

[Razoo]

Since when should majority vote be the loser?
The GOP is a minority party = as in the smaller number of voters

 

[Craig234]

Now that the radical rights have control of course they will push just about anything to the Supreme Court.

From the secret Powell memo:

"...the judiciary may be the most important instrument for social, economic and political change...

This is a vast area of opportunity for the Chamber, if it is willing to undertake the role of spokesman for American business and if, in turn, business is willing to provide the funds.

As with respect to scholars and speakers, the Chamber would need a highly competent staff of lawyers. In special situations it should be authorized to engage, to appear as counsel amicus in the Supreme Court, lawyers of national standing and reputation. The greatest care should be exercised in selecting the cases in which to participate, or the suits to institute. But the opportunity merits the necessary effort."