On gay marriage, America's house may not stay divided for long [W:29, 210]

Juanita · Sep 9, 2013

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vesper said:
Good evening Juanita, the right of conscience is protected under the First Amendment under freedom of religion.
James Madison the author of the Constitution spoke of matters of conscience and religion not merely as toleration but as fundamental, natural rights. You will often find the State Constitutions throughout this country echoing those thoughts and will find the words "religious conscience" or "right of conscience" included in their constitution. A good example of this is in The Virginia Declaration of Rights that was initially drafted to guarantee "fullest toleration" of religion; but Madison amended it and when it passed, it provided that "all men are entitled to the full and free exercise of [religion] according to the dictates of conscience." Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance expressed the language of rights, not toleration: "The equal right of every citizen to the free exercise of his Religion according to the dictates of conscience is held by the same tenure with all our other rights. He explained:

The Religion then of every man must be left to the conviction and conscience of every man; and it is the right of every man to exercise it as these may dictate. . . . It is the duty of every man to render to the Creator such homage, and such only, as he believes to be acceptable to him.

Once upon a time in this country through civics education a person didn't have to ask what right of conscience meant for they were taught the meaning of religious freedoms which includes the right of conscience in grade school. Not anymore.

It definitely is limited tho..and cannot interfere with the peace of the state... Meaning it's laws and stability....Another words, you have the right to believe anything that you want to believe as long as it does not interfere with the rights of others..

Gaugingcatenate · Sep 9, 2013

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AGENT J said:
translation: you have no facts to support your posted lies, we knew that already but i figured i asked for them to see if you would at least try
anyway let us know when you have ANY facts to support your false claims, ANY . . . . hell ONE fact Translation: you have no facts to support your posted lies, we knew that already but i figured i asked for them to see if you would at least try
anyway let us know when you have ANY facts to support your false claims, ANY . . . . hell ONE fact

Go for it, I can substitute emptiness for emptiness... but whats the use?

:2brickwal no mas!

AGENT J · Sep 9, 2013

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Gaugingcatenate said:
Go for it, I can substitute emptiness for emptiness... but whats the use?

:2brickwal no mas!

still got nothing to support your posts huh, weird, you would think FACTS and TRUTH would be easy for your posts to support but for some reason you got nothing

we'll, we will keep waiting, let us know when you have ANY facts to support your false claims, ANY . . . . hell ONE fact

Gaugingcatenate · Sep 9, 2013

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tererun said:
It does not. That is a pure and bold faced lie.

An intelligent human being would know two things. The first is that gay sex is perfectly natural and occurs all the time, and the reality is that gender based procreation is the mutation and abnormality because life started off reproducing asexually. The second thing you would know is that it is perfectly natural for you to be aroused sexually by a person of your gender. Yup, if we blindfolded you and had a person perform arousing sexual activity on you, you would become aroused. Worse yet if you were forced into sexual activity knowingly with a person of your gender through rape there is a pretty good possibility you would become physically aroused by the experience. It is completely natural to become aroused through sexual stimulation no matter what the gender giving it to you is. Now if those are things an educated person knows that are supported by studying nature, and things like the physical things that happen to many rape victims, what does that make you?

Like I said, not all species. Many species are asexual, some can change genders, and sexual arousal and pleasure are practiced by many species without actual reproduction. Your argument is completely wrong because naturally we enjoy being aroused and just like many animals seek out those pleasant feelings even when we are not reproducing. Naturally sexually reproducing species do not always reproduce due to sexual activity.

Yes, we have, and we seem to be better at that thinking thing than you are given that by your own definition of intelligent you are not. You do not know what natural is. you seem quite unaware that sexual activity can be for pleasure and does not always result in offspring. Your view seems to say that sterile people should not have sex because it won't result in offspring. You seem to think the only reason for sex is reproduction which seems to indicate pleasure and fun are not valid reasons to do anything, and all we are here for is reproduction. You even seem to think homosexuality causes damage to society despite it not being the case, and a good argument can be made that straight people produce a much higher volume of problems like violence, overpopulation, and general crazy.

If the majority was so stupid they thought 2=2=5 then according to you we would destroy math. You just divided by zero.

Sourcing for all those "FACTS"?

Gaugingcatenate · Sep 9, 2013

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tererun said:
I am sorry, I was just giving you back what you gave us. Would you like to actually make an argument or just call us all stupid because we do not share your ignorance?

Mine, dear lady, is the wisdom of the ages. And I didn't call you stupid, just wrong. Intelligent people can be wrong, wise people mostly are not...your positions are not wise.

tererun · Sep 9, 2013

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Gaugingcatenate said:
Courts are a tyranny of the minority...

Or some might call them the defense for the minority of the tyranny of the majority in a democracy. You wanted to keep gays from marriage. That is your rule. That is your tyranny. If tyranny is bad, then what does that make you? Can you please actuyally show us where you were forced to do anything gay by the decisions to allow others to practice homosexuality? You cannot because you weren't. Tyranny involves forcing you to do something. Allowing others to do something that does not effect you even though you may not find it appealing or pleasant to think of as a non-participant is not tyranny and you should be downright ashamed of being so ignorant, and thankful you can be so clueless as to what it means to suffer under the tyranny of others. Oh, and i am real sorry your tyranny was taken away from you.

Gaugingcatenate said:
go through the people, see what the people want.

You mean the tyranny of the majority? Sorry, but I would not trust you to butter my morning toast, so i am certainly not going to let you tell me who I am allowed to love. I don't care how many of you try to tell me that. It does not hurt you, so you have no say.

Gaugingcatenate said:
We don't want what you are trying to pawn off on us, sorry...just don't...you can get as mad as you want. We the people are the ones who decided such things...

Well, actually the courts were here from the beginning because I am pretty sure the founders knew that letting the people vote directly was normally bad. Hence why we have a electoral college because they had no faith in your ability to make good choices. Second, no one is pawning anything off on you as you do not have to take anything in this case. No one made you be gay or gay married. You have no concern in the matter, and it was you who pushed your religion on others.

Gaugingcatenate said:
These, for the most part, are not laws, they are amendments to the constitution of a state. The courts cannot overturn an amendment, that is the will of the people.

Actually they can. But I would expect nothing more from you.

Gaugingcatenate said:
The reason slavery was overturned is because a majority was for overturning slavery, study your history lady. Prohibition was overturned, properly, with another amendment to repeal it.

You do realize that many amendments have been overturned by the courts. Not to mention the emancipation proclamation was not voted on.

Gaugingcatenate said:
Again, instead of just spouting, study first.

That coming from the guy who doesn't have a clue what the judicial can do, and that cannot even recognize the emancipation proclamation was an executive act and it seems large numbers of people disagreed with it. Perhaps you should stop studying revisionist BS history from political hacks and ignorant twits on fix noise and come back to us when by your own definition you become intelligent and have a grasp on that nature thing you claim is important.

tererun · Sep 10, 2013

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Gaugingcatenate said:
Mine, dear lady, is the wisdom of the ages. And I didn't call you stupid, just wrong. Intelligent people can be wrong, wise people mostly are not...you are not wise.

So by wisdom of ages you mean you have absorbed a lot of BS and have not studied nature, the law, government, or much else outside of the words of ignorant pundits and liars. I guess an accumulation of inaccuracies and lies could be considered an ability to learn information, but I would not call it worthwhile.

AGENT J · Sep 10, 2013

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Juanita said:
It definitely is limited tho..and cannot interfere with the peace of the state... Meaning it's laws and stability....Another words, you have the right to believe anything that you want to believe as long as it does not interfere with the rights of others..

common sense and facts like these will be ignored

some people dont care about the rights of others though they only care about themselves

Juanita · Sep 10, 2013

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Gaugingcatenate said:
I would say the same thing about same sex marriage, need some real mental health care there, not the avoidance of the problem. Surely not giving into the problem, that is not a solution.

And hardly there juanita, erasing the lines is just what will happen if you folks on the left get your way... you see, those kinda folks, father daughter, more run in the liberal circles...see, they have a better chance of getting what they want that way, they know we won't go for it on this side.

I don't think so, Liberals consider such things disgusting.. but you are saying that you believe homosexuality is a mental health issue.. You know, of course, that this was disproved years ago.. and it was "not" a political move on the part of the mental health community.. I don't know who your God is, but mine is a God of love who created diversity of every kind and loves his creations unconditionally...which is how He wants us to love each other as well..

Gaugingcatenate · Sep 10, 2013

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AGENT J said:
still got nothing to support your posts huh, weird, you would think FACTS and TRUTH would be easy for your posts to support but for some reason you got nothing

we'll, we will keep waiting, let us know when you have ANY facts to support your false claims, ANY . . . . hell ONE fact still got nothing to support your posts huh, weird, you would think FACTS and TRUTH would be easy for your posts to support but for some reason you got nothing we'll, we will keep waiting, let us know when you have ANY facts to support your false claims, ANY . . . . hell ONE fact

Wasting both our time with such inanity...I would suggest your pursuit of happiness elsewhere, somewhere maybe where your posts may be appreciated rather than in such substance-less posts to me...but thanks anyway

Gaugingcatenate · Sep 10, 2013

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tererun said:
So by wisdom of ages you mean you have absorbed a lot of BS and have not studied nature, the law, government, or much else outside of the words of ignorant pundits and liars. I guess an accumulation of inaccuracies and lies could be considered an ability to learn information, but I would not call it worthwhile.

Sounds like a lot of ad hom attached to nothing more than your opinion...again, post something factual. And yes, all the wisdom handed down by existing and ongoing religions, of ancient to modern governments that still remain in existence. I guess ones ability to take on new lies outweighs the wisdom we know from history...nahhh

AGENT J · Sep 10, 2013

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Gaugingcatenate said:
Wasting both our time with such inanity...I would suggest your pursuit of happiness elsewhere, somewhere maybe where your posts may be appreciated rather than in such substance-less posts to me...but thanks anyway

it makes me very happy exposing the fact that you cant back up your posts and that have zero facts supporting you, so your suggestion is denied.
my goal is being fulfilled every sec that goes by where you dont present anything to back up your false posts (because you cant), you dont admit you were just ranting and stating an unsupportable opinion and or you reply with and failed deflection. SO no its not a waste of time at all.

so again let us know when you can provide any facts to back up your claim, even ONE will do

chromium · Sep 10, 2013

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AGENT J said:
i wonder if anybody will leave the country or take the bridge when equal rights for gays is established and legally the house is no longer divided?? I mean some people did go crazy when women and minorities were given equal rights.

I wonder if their will be any boycotts which is fine by me or riots?
so much anger, hate, hypocrisy and bigotry among SOME people

There won't be riots, this isn't France. Those so vehemently against SSM are for the most part some combination of old, obese, lazy. What I've noticed on college campuses and such is it's the homophobes who are too afraid to speak up. Being cowards, they'll go to the polls and anonymously vote against others' basic human rights, but I get the impression that those who would show their face are doing it at the weekly Bingo meeting at the nursing home.

Gaugingcatenate · Sep 10, 2013

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AGENT J said:
it makes me very happy exposing the fact that you cant back up your posts and that have zero facts supporting you, so your suggestion is denied.
my goal is being fulfilled every sec that goes by where you dont present anything to back up your false posts (because you cant), you dont admit you were just ranting and stating an unsupportable opinion and or you reply with and failed deflection. SO no its not a waste of time at all.

so again let us know when you can provide any facts to back up your claim, even ONE will do

Uh huh. Oh and ditto on the facts and backing it up thing, right back at you...and this will be my last waste of my valuable time.

Makes me very happy to make you happy tho... bub-bye.

AGENT J · Sep 10, 2013

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chromium said:
1.)There won't be riots, this isn't France.
2.) Those so vehemently against SSM are for the most part some combination of old, obese, lazy. What I've noticed on college campuses and such is it's the homophobes who are too afraid to speak up. Being cowards, they'll go to the polls and anonymously vote against others' basic human rights, but I get the impression that those who would show their face are doing it at the weekly Bingo meeting at the nursing home.

i seriously doubt it too but theres a lot of angry internet tough guys talking about "not taking it any more" so i was curious to see what they thought

Juanita · Sep 10, 2013

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Gaugingcatenate said:
Wow, hard to argue with such "logic", logically illogical maybe. Yes it does hurt society, it does confuse children. I am an intelligent human being and I know its unnatural. Man and woman are naturally made to mate. Male and female parts naturally fit... how do we know that? Through the creation of beings just like us, other human beings, that is THE NATURAL WAY of continuing the species. Homosexuality, and I should not have to explain this, does not lead to a continuation of the species. And it is the other way around, man can do anything to a woman that he can do to a man, he cannot do anything to a man that he could to a woman... he can impregnate her, he cannot do that to a him...think about it...

The viewpoint of the majority, whether religious or not, will be what rules, no matter what or how you think.

No, you do not "know"--you "believe"..... Married couples, heterosexual or homosexual, can adopt and many do altho there are other ways that a couple can have children...So are you saying that if a woman is unable to have children or a man is sterile, they should not be permitted to marry? Yes, no matter what you think or believe, the Law will dictate if SSM is legal or not in their state...

tererun · Sep 10, 2013

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Gaugingcatenate said:
Sounds like a lot of ad hom attached to nothing more than your opinion...again, post something factual. And yes, all the wisdom handed down by existing and ongoing religions, of ancient to modern governments that still remain in existence. I guess ones ability to take on new lies outweighs the wisdom we know from history...nahhh

Any time you want to do something like prove my longer posts wrong feel free to go ahead and do something besides from making insults. I can recognize projection when i see it, and you project your self realization pretty well.

AGENT J · Sep 10, 2013

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Gaugingcatenate said:
Uh huh. Oh and ditto on the facts and backing it up thing, right back at you...and this will be my last waste of my valuable time.

Makes me very happy to make you happy tho... bub-bye.

translation: you still got ZERO facts to back up your posts and are posting one last desperate dodge and deflection.
running away doesnt change anything the second still tick, i accept you giving up and accepting the lose

sorry nobody buys it, there nobody honest and educated that is going to fall for it, so again let us know when you can provide any facts to back up your claim, even ONE will do

Juanita · Sep 10, 2013

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Gaugingcatenate said:
Courts are a tyranny of the minority...go through the people, see what the people want. We don't want what you are trying to pawn off on us, sorry...just don't...you can get as mad as you want. We the people are the ones who decided such things...

These, for the most part, are not laws, they are amendments to the constitution of a state. The courts cannot overturn an amendment, that is the will of the people. The reason slavery was overturned is because a majority was for overturning slavery, study your history lady. Prohibition was overturned, properly, with another amendment to repeal it.

Again, instead of just spouting, study first.

We the people? Yes--that is what I have been saying...:mrgreen:

chromium · Sep 10, 2013

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AGENT J said:
i seriously doubt it too but theres a lot of angry internet tough guys talking about "not taking it any more" so i was curious to see what they thought

They are probably posting from the nursing home :lol:

winston53660 · Sep 10, 2013

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vesper said:
It doesn't matter if the consequences were reported through valid studies, through personal experiences, through statistics collected by the government You sure as hell ain't about to accept them cause your intolerant one minded self won't allow you to and instead of responding to such things it is easier to keep eluding that you have the "facts" and everyone else is full of ****. What a cop out. What a bogus façade you hide behind.

Yeah because innuendo is so much better

Gaugingcatenate · Sep 10, 2013

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Juanita said:
No, you do not "know"--you "believe"..... Married couples, heterosexual or homosexual, can adopt and many do altho there are other ways that a couple can have children...So are you saying that if a woman is unable to have children or a man is sterile, they should not be permitted to marry? Yes, no matter what you think or believe, the Law will dictate if SSM is legal or not in their state...

Whoever said otherwise...you don't "know" either, in fact even less --you only "believe" also. I know that no orthodox religion or long lasting government has held this belief of yours down through the ages and actually most, if not all, specifically advocated against this kind of thing...ever wonder why? Its not like they were all in communication and did not make this decision independently... it was with good reason that they figured out this to be true..it was universally condemned.

Your folks that want this are just selfish, gotta have it types... it is not us being mean, it is you wanting more than is necessary.

Gaugingcatenate · Sep 10, 2013

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tererun said:
Any time you want to do something like prove my longer posts wrong feel free to go ahead and do something besides from making insults. I can recognize projection when i see it, and you project your self realization pretty well.

Practice what you preach, lady.

Gaugingcatenate · Sep 10, 2013

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AGENT J said:
translation: you still got ZERO facts to back up your posts and are posting one last desperate dodge and deflection.
running away doesnt change anything the second still tick, i accept you giving up and accepting the lose

sorry nobody buys it, there nobody honest and educated that is going to fall for it, so again let us know when you can provide any facts to back up your claim, even ONE will do

blah blah blah

Gaugingcatenate · Sep 10, 2013

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Juanita said:
We the people? Yes--that is what I have been saying...:mrgreen:

Then we are in agreement.

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