History. Israel has been burned far too many times in the past. One prays for Peace, and one HOPES this is a legit move. However, to suggest, as Orion did that Israel isn't interested in Peace is patently dishonest.
Israel should have 100% control of all their capital city. Palestine should receive none of it and there should be no partitioning of the Israeli capital.
There is a massive Palestinian population in the eastern part of the city. To not give that part of the city to the Palestinians would be denying them land that has long been theirs.
It's PeteEU, special envoy for promoting the European Promotion of the Palastinian Cause, what do you expect from him Shayah?
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Yep. Jerusalem is Israel's capitol city, they should have the right to all of their capitol and not partition it.
How did I 'misrepresent the study'?i merely posted what was stated about the study. And this is what was stated.He completely misrepresented the study, the study proves that not only do Jews have a strong genetic afinity for the region but that Palestinians have an Arab specific genetic marker which separates them from the rest of the Middle Eastern population in the region.
Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinians,[15][16] together as the one same population, represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times
There is a massive Palestinian population in the eastern part of the city. To not give that part of the city to the Palestinians would be denying them land that has long been theirs.
Except no one recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. It's not "their" capital. I suggest actually learning the history of Jerusalem before posting statements that are ignorant of historical relevance.
Well I never said that a foreign country could do that. I merely said no country in the world recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.Well actually you'd find out that no country has the right to designate a capital to a nation except the nation itself.
Care to cite this 'law'?By law, when Israel has designated Jerusalem as its capital, it has made it its capital.
Yes, with a nice little side note added to it:This is why you'd find "Jerusalem" under the title "Capital" when searching about Israel in major sources such as the CIA factbook and Wikipedia.
The Jerusalem Law states that "Jerusalem, complete and united, is the capital of Israel" and the city serves as the seat of the government, home to the President's residence, government offices, supreme court, and parliament. United Nations Security Council Resolution 478 (Aug. 20, 1980; 14–0, U.S. abstaining) declared the Jerusalem Law "null and void" and called on member states to withdraw their diplomatic missions from Jerusalem. The United Nations and all member nations refuse to accept the Jerusalem Law (see Kellerman 1993, p. 140) and maintain their embassies in other cities such as Tel Aviv, Ramat Gan, and Herzliya (see the CIA Factbook and Map of Israel).
Only time will tell.It is the Israeli capital and that's not going to change.
And that doesn't change the fact that Jerusalem is Israel's capital.Well I never said that a foreign country could do that. I merely said no country in the world recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
I didn't say that there is an actual law stating that, I've meant that from the eyes of the law, the only one who really has something to say about the capital of a sovereign state is the sovereign state itself. There is no law that claims the international community can designate the capital of a sovereign state.Care to cite this 'law'?
Who cares, they tell you that Jerusalem is Israel's capital and that's all that matters.Yes, with a nice little side note added to it
43 years have spoken.Only time will tell.
That land was never under the control of the "Palestinian Arabs".
Never in history did the group known back then to be the "Palestinian Arabs" and known now to be the "Palestinians" have ever controlled the land.
It was, since the 20th century, under Ottoman control, under British control, under Jewish control, under Jordanian control and now under Jewish control again.
I do agree however that there are certain parts in East Jerusalem where there are Arab population centers, and that's why I believe that in a final conclusive agreement Israel should give the Palestinians the Arab quarter of the city.
Well, perhaps the Arabs shouldn't have started the wars with the State of Israel... when you lose wars you start, you usually lose territory...
This is how I've always seen it: I consider myself a Terran (because Earthling sounds silly). I am an American. I am a Californian. I am a Norcali. I am a Sacramentan. I am a midtowner (my part of Sacramento.) If you had to ask which one of those I am, or which one I gave my ultimate loyalties or identity to, I'm not sure if I could really narrow it down. I assume that other people have the same list of identities and allegiences. Just because they were also Ottomans or Arabs or Syrians doesn't mean they weren't also Palestinians just as me being an American doesn't stop me from being a Sacramentan.
Who is "right" doesn't matter, what matters is that both sides can agree to stop fighting.
And what we need is the Arabs to agree to stop fighting and recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Ramallah can serve just nicely as the Palestinian capital, as far as I am concerned...
Why do they need to do that?
Why do they need to stop fighting?!?!? Yeah, I suppose perpetual warfare is good for the PR of the Palestinians because the world always chooses to see Israel as the problem and as long as it continues, they can continue to gain the sympathy of the international community.
According to Israel. It is a fact that the rest of the world does not recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.And that doesn't change the fact that Jerusalem is Israel's capital.
In the eyes of what 'law'? Israeli law or international law?I didn't say that there is an actual law stating that, I've meant that from the eyes of the law, the only one who really has something to say about the capital of a sovereign state is the sovereign state itself.
The Avalon Project : United Nations Charter; June 26, 1945There is no law that claims the international community can designate the capital of a sovereign state.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 478 - WikisourceThe Members of the United Nations agree to accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council in accordance with the present Charter.
2. Affirms that the enactment of the "basic law" by Israel constitutes a violation of international law and does not affect the continued application of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949, in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since June 1967, including Jerusalem;
3. Determines that all legislative and administrative measures and actions taken by Israel, the occupying Power, which have altered or purport to alter the character and status of the Holy City of Jerusalem, and in particular the recent "basic law" on Jerusalem, are null and void and must be rescinded forthwith;
That is disingenuous. Both the CIA World Factbook and Wikipedia state that Jerusalem's is proclaimed as Israel's capital by Israel and that this proclaimation is disputed by the rest of the world. And it's all that matters to you. To the rest of the world, Jerusalem's status is disputed.Who cares, they tell you that Jerusalem is Israel's capital and that's all that matters.
Wow... 43 whole years! That is such a long time compared to two milleniums of history in Jerusalem! :roll:43 years have spoken.
Untrue:You would be hard pressed to find documentation of a separate group identifying themselves as Palestinians any time before the 1960s. Remember, what is now regarded as "Palestine" was part of Jordan and Egypt before 1967 and before that was part of the League of Nations British Mandate, and before that had been under Ottoman control, and before that had spells under Seljuk control, Crusader control, Arab control, Roman control, etc. but no such thing as a separate, conscious Palestinian identity really existed until very recent times...
Whatever the differing viewpoints over the timing, causal mechanisms, and orientation of Palestinian nationalism, by the early 20th century strong opposition to Zionism and evidence of a burgeoning nationalistic Palestinian identity is found in the content of Arabic-language newspapers in Palestinian Territories, such as Al-Karmil (est. 1908) and Filasteen (est. 1911).[41] Filasteen, published in Jaffa by Issa and Yusef al-Issa, addressed its readers as "Palestinians", (Arabic: al-filasTīnīyyūn)[42] first focusing its critique of Zionism around the failure of the Ottoman administration to control Jewish immigration and the large influx of foreigners, later exploring the impact of Zionist land-purchases on Palestinian peasants (Arabic: فلاحين, fellahin), expressing growing concern over land dispossession and its implications for the society at large
Tel Aviv can serve as the capital of Israel as far as I am concerned (it basically is right now).And what we need is the Arabs to agree to stop fighting and recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Ramallah can serve just nicely as the Palestinian capital, as far as I am concerned...
This is how I've always seen it: I consider myself a Terran (because Earthling sounds silly). I am an American. I am a Californian. I am a Norcali. I am a Sacramentan. I am a midtowner (my part of Sacramento.) If you had to ask which one of those I am, or which one I gave my ultimate loyalties or identity to, I'm not sure if I could really narrow it down. I assume that other people have the same list of identities and allegiences. Just because they were also Ottomans or Arabs or Syrians doesn't mean they weren't also Palestinians just as me being an American doesn't stop me from being a Sacramentan.
Absolutely wrong, Jerusalem is the capital of Israel according to the facts, it is a fact that it is not recognized as so but it is also a fact that it is so.According to Israel.
As far as international law is concerned, there is nothing that permits the designation of another sovereign state's capital by foreign states.In the eyes of what 'law'? Israeli law or international law?
As I said, there is no law that allows the international community to designate another state's capital. As Wikipedia, the CIA world factbook, and the rest of the reliable sources would tell you, Jerusalem is Israel's capital.
Both the CIA world factbook and Wikipedia write "Jerusalem" under Israel's capital.That is disingenuous. Both the CIA World Factbook and Wikipedia state that Jerusalem's is proclaimed as Israel's capital by Israel and that this proclaimation is disputed by the rest of the world. And it's all that matters to you. To the rest of the world, Jerusalem's status is disputed.
If you're going milleniums back then I can just cite the Israeli kingdoms and their control of the city - it doesn't benefit you.Wow... 43 whole years! That is such a long time compared to two milleniums of history in Jerusalem! :roll:
Tel Aviv can serve as the capital of Israel as far as I am concerned (it basically is right now).
What we need is for Israel to finally recognize that it is occupying Jerusalem.
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