Omicron is here.....once again masks are being asked to save the day. Masks have been important during this ordeal. Too bad the GOP is a slacker.

[Callen]

that's a good answer

Oh my, I am so relieved it met with your approval. I positively would have fussed all evening.....
Oh , and better luck next time.

 

[Razoo]

Would you rather I sneeze on you with nothing on or a cloth mask?

VERY GOOD

 

[Razoo]

As I stated Whole Food offer s great fitting mask to customers I'm not sure..... I'll know Thursday.

Two Bean masks I like and KN95's and I have bought 5 designed by artists for the art work.

One night stands seems like they would risky business right now what a bummer.

 

[Lord of Planar]

L.L.Bean: Page Not Available

www.llbean.com

L.L.Bean: Page Not Available

www.llbean.com

About other masks

Omicron surge means it's time to upgrade your mask. Here's how

Health officials say it's important to improve the fit of face masks and their filtration, going beyond old, loose, cloth face coverings.

www.latimes.com

When things began looking better masks prices were being reduced so I bought a truck load of N95, KN 95 and KN95 gray.
Recently I bought a few from LLbean which fit so good not all of them just the two mentioned.

Last week walking into Whole Foods some there company masks were being offered to customers so I picked up one == nice fit and meets criteria. I like the black and green color combo. Hopefully some can be purchased.


Hell yes I am a Dad ...........

Masks haven't worked yet. What makes any reasonable person thing they will now?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Cloth masks dont do a damn thing.

They can actually make the aerosol emissions worse when they don't stay dry.

 

[Lord of Planar]

read the spec as I do

Most single layer cloth masks may not meet demand ................. true

Has anyone been able to get a store bought cloth mask to properly seal?

 

[Schism]

L.L.Bean: Page Not Available

www.llbean.com

L.L.Bean: Page Not Available

www.llbean.com

About other masks

Omicron surge means it's time to upgrade your mask. Here's how

Health officials say it's important to improve the fit of face masks and their filtration, going beyond old, loose, cloth face coverings.

www.latimes.com

When things began looking better masks prices were being reduced so I bought a truck load of N95, KN 95 and KN95 gray.
Recently I bought a few from LLbean which fit so good not all of them just the two mentioned.

Last week walking into Whole Foods some there company masks were being offered to customers so I picked up one == nice fit and meets criteria. I like the black and green color combo. Hopefully some can be purchased.


Hell yes I am a Dad ...........

Any scientific data to support the LL Bean knit mask does anything?

I didn't think so.

 

[Schism]

Has anyone been able to get a store bought cloth mask to properly seal?

Of course not. You might as well wear a halloween mask.

 

[Razoo]

Of course masks work .......

Don’t throw that cloth mask away yet—it still works

New research finds that washing and drying cotton cloth masks doesn’t reduce their ability to filter out viral particles.

www.colorado.edu

The reusable cloth masks people have been using for the past year or more may look a little worse for the wear. But new research from the University of Colorado Boulder finds that washing and drying them doesn’t reduce their ability to filter out viral particles.

“It’s good news for sustainability,” said lead author Marina Vance, assistant professor in the Paul M. Rady Department of Mechanical Engineering. “That cotton mask that you have been washing, drying and reusing? It's probably still fine—don't throw it away.”

The study, published in the journal Aerosol and Air Quality Research, also confirms previous research that layering a cotton mask on top of a surgical mask—properly fit on one’s face—provides more protection than cloth alone.

Science for sustainability
Since the start of the pandemic, an estimated 7,200 tons of medical waste has been generated every day—much of which is disposable masks.

“We were really bothered during the beginning of the pandemic, when going out on a hike or going downtown, and seeing all these disposable masks littering the environment,” said Vance, who is also on the faculty in the environmental engineering program.

So she was eager to join forces when scientists at the nearby National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) approached her about studying how washing and drying impacts reusable cloth masks.

Their process was quite simple: create double-layered squares of cotton, put them through repeated washing and drying (up to 52 times, the equivalent of a weekly wash for a year) and test them between about every 7 cleaning cycles.

While the masks were not testing using real people—instead, they were mounted on one end of a steel funnel through which researchers could control a consistent flow of air and airborne particles—the researchers tested the masks using realistic to real-life conditions, with high humidity levels and temperatures to mimics the impact on the mask from our breathing.

While the cotton fibers started falling apart over time after repeating washing and drying, the researchers found that did not significantly affect the cloth’s filtration efficiency.

The only noticeable change was that inhalation resistance slightly increased, meaning that the mask may feel a bit more difficult to breathe through after some wear and tear.

Mask fit is critical​

A key caveat is that they conducted the testing using a “perfect fit” in the lab.

“We're assuming there are no gaps between the mask material and the person's face,” said Vance.

The shape of each person’s face varies significantly. So depending on a mask’s shape and how well the person adjusts it, it may or may not fit snugly. Previous research has shown that a poorly-fit mask can let as many as 50% of airborne particles we breathe in and out slip through—as well as the virus.

Learn tips and tricks for testing and tweaking your mask here.

So what mask should you wear?
This study is not the first to find that cloth masks provide less protection than surgical masks or a layered combination of surgical and cloth masks.

Measuring for how well the mask filtered air being breathed in—protecting the person wearing the mask, not reducing transmission from the source—this study found that the cotton cloth masks filtered out up to 23% of the smallest particle size (0.3 microns) on which the virus can travel. Bandanas filtered even less, at only 9%.

In comparison, surgical masks filtered out between 42-88% of the tiny particles, and cotton masks on top of surgical masks reached close to 40% filtration efficiency. KN95 and N95 masks unsurprisingly performed the best, filtering out 83-99% of these particles.

But while this study found that cloth masks alone provide less protection from the virus than a layered approach or disposable masks, such as surgical masks, KN95s and N95s, it remains important information for those who rely on cloth for its comfort, affordability and reusability, said Vance.

“I think the best mask might be the one that you're actually going to wear,” said Vance. “And that is going to fit snugly against your face without being too uncomfortable.”

Additional authors on this publication include: Sumit Sankhyan, Sameer Patel and Hannah Teed of the University of Colorado Boulder; Karen N. Heinselman, Peter N. Ciesielski Teresa Barnes and Michael E. Himmel of the Renewable Resources and Enabling Sciences Center at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory.

 

[Callen]

I have never used a cloth mask and masks have been mandated here from the git go. I only use KN95's. DH uses disposable hospital masks. I'm trying to get him to double up not getting to far with it. He has promised to wear the KN95 when in public in FL.

 

[Port & Starboard]

If drywall particles (which are about 10 microns in size) cannot be stopped "in or out" wearing a N95 mask, then go ahead and drink the Kool-Aid while being convinced they are effective against a virus as small as Covid which is about (0.12 microns)

I'll guess none of you on here have ever blown nice clumps of "white snot" after sanding drywall wearing a N95 mask?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Can't imagine why. I have never posted anything other than support for the vaccines, boosters and masking. I will have taken all the precautions available to me and will use them when away so not at all sure why that would make you wonder about anything......could it be another reason?

I take it then that you wear a mask that has a 100% seal around the face.

that you have all the vaccinations available.

Now in my opinion, the important ones are:

Maintain the 6 ft, social distancing if not masked.
Wash frequently, and don't touch your face unless you have just washed.
Only be around other (unknown) people in well ventilated areas.

You see, I know enough about science, that I don't buy the hogwash the governments are spewing. Unless you properly wear a high quality mask so it seals 100% around the face, you may as well not be wearing one at all unless you are closer than six feet from others.

This virus is primarily transmitted in the aerosol form, so if you have leaks between the mask and your face, it is useless to prevent infection from the aerosol form. The mask might offer a 60% effectiveness as worn. Still if the viral load for causing an infection is 100, and you are exposed to a load of 1,000 with a mask at a 40% efficency, you still receved six times the viral load top be infected.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I still have more than half the box I bought early last year. I'm good.

Especially since I don't wear a mask anymore.

There is no good reason to, except to keep the mask Nazis off your ass.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Yes, they do. Just not as good as surgical or N95s. But they help. It’s basic physics.

Sure.

In the six foot and under catagory.

 

[Razoo]

Any scientific data to support the LL Bean knit mask does anything?

I didn't think so.

I do own 5 of them and I read the specs before purchasing ..... of course Bean cannot claim any Medical use because they are not a medical supply source. I have not noticed any contrary data as to the effectiveness.

What I have learned is that masks were among the first tools to slow contamination ..........

 

[Threegoofs]

If drywall particles (which are about 10 microns in size) cannot be stopped "in or out" wearing a N95 mask, then go ahead and drink the Kool-Aid while being convinced they are effective against a virus as small as Covid which is about (0.12 microns)

I'll guess none of you on here have ever blown nice clumps of "white snot" after sanding drywall wearing a N95 mask?

Crap. I guess all the times I went into patients rooms with TB and MRSA I just should have thrown out the PPE, because Dr USN knows his stuff.

 

[Threegoofs]

Sure.

In the six foot and under catagory.

Ah- I forgot. You never took Physics.

 

[Port & Starboard]

Crap. I guess all the times I went into patients rooms with TB and MRSA I just should have thrown out the PPE, because Dr USN knows his stuff.

Said the doctor of Debate Politics?

Care to explain why the N95 doesn't block drywall particles, but miraculously blocks a virus?

 

[Threegoofs]

Said the doctor of Debate Politics?

Care to explain why the N95 doesn't block drywall particles, but miraculously blocks a virus?

Care to explain why surgeons wear masks? Routinely?

 

[Port & Starboard]

Care to explain why surgeons wear masks? Routinely?

Surgeons wear masks for droplets.........not micro fine particles.

Surgeons masks would be worn by drywall finishers if they blocked fine dust particles and NIOSH would would be all in with recommending them.

 

[Lord of Planar]

People not wearing masks based on what information? As stated too much is obviously not known thus vaccines and masks for damn sure are a must.

Hospital workers are being abused by the non vaccination crowd and no mask crowd. And anyone else who happens to get in their way. More than 842,713 have died thus far.


Last updated: December 29, 2021, 19:39 GMT

United States​

Coronavirus Cases:​

54,249,128

Deaths:​

842,714

Only 842,714 deaths.

Withe a population of over 330 billion, what is that? A quick input of Excel using 330 billion people tells me it's only 0.35% of the population. One in 400 people. Does that mean we are expected to live for 400 years?

Think about the math. Especially since the largest number of these people are over 50.

Think about how they are categorizing covid deaths. They are counting a death as a covid death if the person tested positive for covid when they died. I don't know what the false-positive test rate is, but one of the false positives results comes from a person having the antibody from being vaccinated!

 

[Callen]

Care to explain why surgeons wear masks? Routinely?

I was in hospital recently for a procedure that required me stay overnight. All the doctors and nurses were wearing disposable surgical masks. Except for the one nurse who drew a short straw and was tending the only unvaccinated person in the unit. She was decked out!

 

[Threegoofs]

Surgeons wear masks for droplets.........not micro fine particles.

Surgeons masks would be worn by drywall finishers if they blocked fine dust particles and NIOSH would would be all in with recommending them.

In other words, they wear them to prevent infectious disease.

And if n95s don’t work to prevent drywall dust- why wear them?

Maybe a little think on this might lead you to solve your mystery.

 

[Port & Starboard]

In other words, they wear them to prevent infectious disease.

And if n95s don’t work to prevent drywall dust- why wear them?

Maybe a little think on this might lead you to solve your mystery.

They wear them to lessen the chances for droplets into wounds, not blocking fine micron fine particles.

Why don't you get with NIOSH. After all..........everyone knows that you are the expert. (Kool-Aid drinker)

 

[Threegoofs]

They wear them to lessen the chances for droplets into wounds, not blocking fine micron fine particles.

Why don't you get with NIOSH. After all..........everyone knows that you are the expert. (Kool-Aid drinker)

Ok- don’t think about it.

No skin off my nose.