Oleander is POISIN.

[Drawdown]

You think prescribing poisin is funny? You right wingers got tapioca between the ears.

Anything will kill you if you ingest too much of it. Poke berries will kill you if you eat 1 or 2 too many but eating less than that is apparently beneficial. Where that line is varies.

Anyway, they are talking about a supplement, not going out and chewing on the bush.

 

[HennyBogan]

Poisin? Is that extracted from fermented taro root?

Well Taro can be poisinous if consumed raw / undercooked lmfao

 

[Guyzilla]

Anything will kill you if you ingest too much of it. Poke berries will kill you if you eat 1 or 2 too many but eating less than that is apparently beneficial. Where that line is varies.

Anyway, they are talking about a supplement, not going out and chewing on the bush.

You are WAY out in left, or right, well I dont know where you are, EARTH? We are talking about a plant that kills in SHOCKINGLY small doses. And you talk about Glutin overload. Shame.

 

[Drawdown]

You are WAY out in left, or right, well I dont know where you are, EARTH? We are talking about a plant that kills in SHOCKINGLY small doses. And you talk about Glutin overload. Shame.

It isn't the gluten in the poke berries that will kill you, and if that big bad oleander is soooooo dangerous you might want to call up Sloan Kettering and ask them how dare they give Anvirzel to cancer patients.

 

[woodsman]

This administration is responsible for PETULANTLY dismissing all the report that Obama left, for preparedness in case of pandemic. It is responsible for waving off purchasing ALL WHO tests. Having a total failure on early attempts at a test. Restricting testing to only those with relations in wuhan etc. Not even discussing contact tracing, and quarantining. Calling it all a partisan hoax. Making masks a sign of loyalty, or lack thereof. Making opening up, not adherent to infection spread. Suggesting vile poisins, REPEATEDLY, to offer what he calls HOPE. He throws out conspiracy theories, till his people have mush for common sense now. They call anything HE tells them, fake.

This post is a great example of the naiveté and outright dumbing down of our society.

From the OP, until this jewel, it’s been a mix of lies, exaggerations and lunatic liberal partisan dung.

 

[Ontologuy]

Folks that talk like you, took koolaid in doses large enough to kill all the cult members that drank. The whole world is out to get Trump, due to his awesomeness. Unfortunately, all you cult members will not simply drink a Trump cocktail and lay down dead. When Trump loses, or fights not to lose, they will use their arsenals, for the use they were intended. Stopping the libs.

Your attitude reflects pure projection.

I'm a centrist, and my ego isn't threatened by election results, neither, from what I read, are conservatives' egos threatened if Trump loses, as they're more understandably concerned about what BLM and Biden-Harris's Marxist socialist agenda would do in crippling America's economy, not at all about their own identity as a person.

But you liberals, you're all infamous for having your egocentric identity tied up in your identity politics, to the degree that you initiated all these ad hominems at me, clearly reflecting that liberals' egos are fragile and easily fractured, as they were in 2016, by the thought of another Trump victory.

Indeed, identity politics is a dangerous psychological game the left is playing. People so sucked in are taking great psychological risk should the election not go their way. Thus, just the thought of people not bending the knee to whatever false political statements they spout triggers their Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS), clearly evidencing that they're really pretty emotionally disturbed, all which is caused by saying "yes" to identity politics.

Identity politics is a major mistake for one to make with their psyche.

 

[Guyzilla]

It isn't the gluten in the poke berries that will kill you, and if that big bad oleander is soooooo dangerous you might want to call up Sloan Kettering and ask them how dare they give Anvirzel to cancer patients.

Pillowguy is a partner in the OLeander drug. Shoving it to the Conspiracist in chief. Trump has already shoved uv, he has shoved Cloroquine, he has shoved disinfectants, he has shoved not testing to reduce infections. Why wouldnt he shove a poison?

 

[Moot]

Your attitude reflects pure projection.

I'm a centrist, and my ego isn't threatened by election results, neither, from what I read, are conservatives' egos threatened if Trump loses, as they're more understandably concerned about what BLM and Biden-Harris's Marxist socialist agenda would do in crippling America's economy, not at all about their own identity as a person.

But you liberals, you're all infamous for having your egocentric identity tied up in your identity politics, to the degree that you initiated all these ad hominems at me, clearly reflecting that liberals' egos are fragile and easily fractured, as they were in 2016, by the thought of another Trump victory.

Indeed, identity politics is a dangerous psychological game the left is playing. People so sucked in are taking great psychological risk should the election not go their way. Thus, just the thought of people not bending the knee to whatever false political statements they spout triggers their Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS), clearly evidencing that they're really pretty emotionally disturbed, all which is caused by saying "yes" to identity politics.

Identity politics is a major mistake for one to make with their psyche.

Got news for you...all politics is identity politics.

 

[HenryChinaski]

You think prescribing poisin is funny? You right wingers got tapioca between the ears.

I've been saying for a while now that Trump followers aren't all that different to Jim Jones followers in their rabid blind devotion. And now their leader is even calling on them to consume poison. Step right up for some tasty kool-aid. :shock:

 

[Felis Leo]

I do not mean to be the guy who uses an interlocutor's poor spelling or grammar to dismiss their point, but has anyone pointed out to Guyzilla that it is spelled "poison"?

 

[Ontologuy]

Got news for you...all politics is identity politics.

That couldn't be more false, as well as purposely misconstrued.

"Identity politics", from the Googled Dictionary is defined as "a tendency for people of a particular religion, race, social background, etc., to form exclusive political alliances, moving away from traditional broad-based party politics".

That fits the left only, not the right, and, of course not the true center as well.

It's common knowledge that the phenomenon of "Identity Politics" is even pandered to blatantly by the radical left oriented Democratic Party, which they realized they have to specifically do as the broad-based Democratic Party platform isn't of sufficient value to draw them in, as identity politics people simply don't reason that way -- they're all emotionally driven.

BLM-loving "Blacks", BLM-guilted "Whites", LGBTQ gender "identifiers", etc., etc., are a left wing phenomenon, not a right wing one.

And so the left falsely projects onto the right their opposites, falsely constructing racist "Whites", uncle-Tom "Blacks", straight two-gender "identifiers", etc., etc., where these are clearly false memes with respect to the right because none of these people so falsely referenced are either 1) drawn to the right which simply does not pander to them like that, or 2) think of themselves in "identity politics" ways.

So your attempt to misconstrue is resoundly rejected.

Identity politics is merely a left wing phenomenon, pandered to by the Democratic Party.

 

[Moot]

That couldn't be more false, as well as purposely misconstrued.

"Identity politics", from the Googled Dictionary is defined as "a tendency for people of a particular religion, race, social background, etc., to form exclusive political alliances, moving away from traditional broad-based party politics".

That fits the left only, not the right, and, of course not the true center as well.

It's common knowledge that the phenomenon of "Identity Politics" is even pandered to blatantly by the radical left oriented Democratic Party, which they realized they have to specifically do as the broad-based Democratic Party platform isn't of sufficient value to draw them in, as identity politics people simply don't reason that way -- they're all emotionally driven.

BLM-loving "Blacks", BLM-guilted "Whites", LGBTQ gender "identifiers", etc., etc., are a left wing phenomenon, not a right wing one.

And so the left falsely projects onto the right their opposites, falsely constructing racist "Whites", uncle-Tom "Blacks", straight two-gender "identifiers", etc., etc., where these are clearly false memes with respect to the right because none of these people so falsely referenced are either 1) drawn to the right which simply does not pander to them like that, or 2) think of themselves in "identity politics" ways.

So your attempt to misconstrue is resoundly rejected.

Identity politics is merely a left wing phenomenon, pandered to by the Democratic Party.

You identified yourself as a Centrist...but your words caste you as a Trump supporter. Ergo, anything you say can be dismissed as malarky.


Trump is a 'cult of personality.' If that isn't identity politics then nothing is.

Cult of Personality is defined as: excessive public admiration for or devotion to a famous person, especially a political leader.

"....A cult of personality, or cult of the leader,[1] arises when a country's regime – or, more rarely, an individual – uses the techniques of mass media, propaganda, the big lie, spectacle, the arts, patriotism, and government-organized demonstrations and rallies to create an idealized, heroic, and worshipful image of a leader, often through unquestioning flattery and praise. A cult of personality is similar to apotheosis, except that it is established by modern social engineering techniques, usually by the state or the party in one-party states and dominant-party states. It is often seen in totalitarian or authoritarian countries...."

Cult of personality - Wikipedia


Trump, like the populist authoritarians before and around him, has also understood (or, at least, instinctually grasped) how indispensable his own individual persona is to his ultimate goal of grasping and maintaining power. Amidst his string of business failures, Trump’s singular talent has been that of any con man: the incredible ability to cultivate a public image. Of course, Trump did not build his cult of followers—his in-group—ex nihilo; in many ways, the stage was set for his entrance. America had already split into two political identities by the time he announced his campaign for president in 2015, not just in terms of the information we consume, but down to the brands we prefer and the stores we frequent. And so with particularly American bombast and a reality TV star’s penchant for manipulating the media, Trump tore pages from the us-against-them playbook of the European far right and presented them to a segment of the American public already primed to receive it with religious fervor.

Escape From the Trump Cult | The New Republic


Folks who are desperately searching for approval may be more likely to join a cult, as a way of feeling like they belong. And the same is true for people who are out searching for their identity.

"When you feel your identity isn't stable, or you're not really sure of who you are, then a cult makes it simple," Dr. Neo says..."

If You Exhibit These 9 Personality Traits, You’re More Likely To Join A Cult

Dear leader has spoken, so be sure to take your HQC and Oleander tonic, kids...and don't forget to shine a flashlight up your butt. lol

 

[Drawdown]

Pillowguy is a partner in the OLeander drug. Shoving it to the Conspiracist in chief. Trump has already shoved uv, he has shoved Cloroquine, he has shoved disinfectants, he has shoved not testing to reduce infections. Why wouldnt he shove a poison?

You really like to run in circles.

 

[Ontologuy]

You identified yourself as a Centrist...but your words caste you as a Trump supporter. Ergo, anything you say can be dismissed as malarky.

Or in other words, "I, Moot, have no substantive refutation for your assertions, Ontologuy, so I'll just dismiss you by my fiat declaration so I don't have to face the truth of what you've said."

:roll:

Seriously, Moot, like a true "identity politics" left-winger, you attempt to "cancel culture" me because, as we all know, that's what identity politics sufferers attempt to do when faced with ideas they can't emotionally handle: they attempt to cancel the speaker.

:shock:

Trump is a 'cult of personality.' If that isn't identity politics then nothing is.

Well, then by your example, Moot, "nothing is" would be the correct answer.

Clearly, without question, "cult of personality" and "identity politics" are two different things. The former is worshipping, so to speak, another for that person's characteristics that may or may not be shared by the person doing the worshiping. The latter is about aligning with the masses that share your own "identity" characteristics by which you primarily define yourself, your skin color, ethnic heritage, sexual preference, gender identity, etc. Clearly, these are two completely different things.

So, since your premise here is obviously false ...

Cult of Personality is defined as: excessive public admiration for or devotion to a famous person, especially a political leader.

"....A cult of personality, or cult of the leader,[1] arises when a country's regime – or, more rarely, an individual – uses the techniques of mass media, propaganda, the big lie, spectacle, the arts, patriotism, and government-organized demonstrations and rallies to create an idealized, heroic, and worshipful image of a leader, often through unquestioning flattery and praise. A cult of personality is similar to apotheosis, except that it is established by modern social engineering techniques, usually by the state or the party in one-party states and dominant-party states. It is often seen in totalitarian or authoritarian countries...."

Cult of personality - Wikipedia


Trump, like the populist authoritarians before and around him, has also understood (or, at least, instinctually grasped) how indispensable his own individual persona is to his ultimate goal of grasping and maintaining power. Amidst his string of business failures, Trump’s singular talent has been that of any con man: the incredible ability to cultivate a public image. Of course, Trump did not build his cult of followers—his in-group—ex nihilo; in many ways, the stage was set for his entrance. America had already split into two political identities by the time he announced his campaign for president in 2015, not just in terms of the information we consume, but down to the brands we prefer and the stores we frequent. And so with particularly American bombast and a reality TV star’s penchant for manipulating the media, Trump tore pages from the us-against-them playbook of the European far right and presented them to a segment of the American public already primed to receive it with religious fervor.

Escape From the Trump Cult | The New Republic


Folks who are desperately searching for approval may be more likely to join a cult, as a way of feeling like they belong. And the same is true for people who are out searching for their identity.

"When you feel your identity isn't stable, or you're not really sure of who you are, then a cult makes it simple," Dr. Neo says..."

If You Exhibit These 9 Personality Traits, You’re More Likely To Join A Cult

Dear leader has spoken, so be sure to take your HQC and Oleander tonic, kids...and don't forget to shine a flashlight up your butt. lol

... Your conclusion diatribe is thereby obviously false as well.

But hey, thanks for proving my point with your clearly evidenced Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) here. :lol:

Indeed, any time a politico simply digresses going off-topic with a contrived castigation rant of President Trump to this degree, you know you're reading the TDS-compelled diatribe of an "identity politics" left-winger.

 

[Craig234]

This comment is just beneath.

Honest question: how do you feel about the people who tried to assassinate Hitler?

 

[Craig234]

"Identity politics", from the Googled Dictionary is defined as "a tendency for people of a particular religion, race, social background, etc., to form exclusive political alliances, moving away from traditional broad-based party politics".

That fits the left only, not the right, and, of course not the true center as well.

Just wow. Ya, US politics has NEVER pandered to white people.

Groups like, say, overwhelmingly white evangelicals have never organized politically. What would they even call the group? Something ridiculous like "Moral Majority"?

For all the spam of whoppers told by the right, this one stands out.

Now, supporting equal rights is "identity politics", but "America First", anti-immigration, and the opposition to that equality on civil rights pandering to one group, white people, is not identity politics. The only whopper I haven't seen yet from them is perhaps saying Hitler was the protector of Jewish people.

 

[Craig234]

OClearly, without question, "cult of personality" and "identity politics" are two different things. The former is worshipping, so to speak, another for that person's characteristics that may or may not be shared by the person doing the worshiping. The latter is about aligning with the masses that share your own "identity" characteristics by which you primarily define yourself, your skin color, ethnic heritage, sexual preference, gender identity, etc. Clearly, these are two completely different things.

Actually, to be fair, I mostly agree with you. They aren't the same thing. But they aren't mutually exclusive as you claim, either.

It's possible, but not required, to be both. When the cult leader makes identity a core part of the cult, it's both - as trump does, and as the Nation of Islam corrupt leader did in the 1960's.

 

[Craig234]

Biden-Harris's Marxist socialist agenda

Let's more about tulips from the Cray Cray! The most important issue for our country, tulips!

 

[nota bene]

Honest question: how do you feel about the people who tried to assassinate Hitler?

Hoping for a "gotcha," aren't you?

 

[mike2810]

The possible side effects and interaction with other drugs makes it a no for me.
This site says there is not enough evidence to support its effectiveness of listed health issues.
Oleander: Uses, Side Effects, Interactions, Dosage, and Warning

A hot water extract of the plant trademarked as Anvirzel has shown some promise in cancer treatment, where it has appeared to slow the growth of tumors and even killed some cancer cells in laboratory settings (aka test tubes). But Anvirzel has not been proven to be effective in the human body yet,

A July 2020 study out of Texas showed that, in test tubes, oleandrin could inhibit the coronavirus in monkey kidney cells. But this study has not been peer-reviewed or published yet. And while Phoenix Biotechnology exec Whitney also told Axios on Saturday that “we have provided” human clinical evidence to the FDA, he would not share what that evidence is. The United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) also conducted some preliminary testing of oleandrin against SARS-CoV-2 (the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19). The results were “inconclusive,” a spokesperson told Axios.
4 facts about oleandrin, an unproven coronavirus treatment reportedly pitched to Trump - MarketWatch

 

[Craig234]

Hoping for a "gotcha," aren't you?

I asked the wrong person for an honest answer and discussion. Nevermind, no longer care.

 

[Moot]

Or in other words, "I, Moot, have no substantive refutation for your assertions, Ontologuy, so I'll just dismiss you by my fiat declaration so I don't have to face the truth of what you've said."

:roll:

But that's what you did. Project, much?

Seriously, Moot, like a true "identity politics" left-winger, you attempt to "cancel culture" me because, as we all know, that's what identity politics sufferers attempt to do when faced with ideas they can't emotionally handle: they attempt to cancel the speaker.

:shock:

That's not what 'cancel culture' is or means...guy. lol

Well, then by your example, Moot, "nothing is" would be the correct answer.

If you insist..

Clearly, without question, "cult of personality" and "identity politics" are two different things. The former is worshipping, so to speak, another for that person's characteristics that may or may not be shared by the person doing the worshiping. The latter is about aligning with the masses that share your own "identity" characteristics by which you primarily define yourself, your skin color, ethnic heritage, sexual preference, gender identity, etc. Clearly, these are two completely different things.

So, since your premise here is obviously false ...

The cult of personality couldn't exist without people that are insecure in their own political identity, which Trump supporters are.


The GOP lost what was left of their identity when they elected Trump and became his cult of personality followers. They don't even resemble the GOP anymore.

... Your conclusion diatribe is thereby obviously false as well.

But hey, thanks for proving my point with your clearly evidenced Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) here. lol

Indeed, any time a politico simply digresses going off-topic with a contrived castigation rant of President Trump to this degree, you know you're reading the TDS-compelled diatribe of an "identity politics" left-winger.

Well, you're the one that digressed off topic with a contrived interpretation and rant about "identity politics." So obviously you're just projecting.

When you have to invoke 'TDS' instead of a rational argument, you've lost the debate...so I'll take that as your concession. impdaddy: :thanks

 

[Threegoofs]

This post sure tries to confuse the issue as does the article. Firstly, “reportedly said” and “basically said” does not mean he actually said it. From what I understood from the article is that Trump showed curiosity with this botanical during a meeting. It was also clear ( once you got past the Trump hate in the article) that those that brought up the topic in the context of getting drugs/botanicals into testing and trials, that needs FDA approval. So, going from A to Z with forgetting the other 24 letters is a bit disingenuous.

I have no idea how many drugs out there treat diseases that are botanical based or synthesized using their molecular models but I’m confident there are many. Do you have an issue with testing botanicals and other molecules for possible new therapies?

Wrong.

They are whining about how hard it is to get FDA approval (and for oleadrin, it will be impossible. It’s very toxic).

They want to get approval for it to be an OTC herbal product - the kinds that have little to no restrictions except you cant actually market it as a cure for COVID, you just imply it. Kinda like all the other bull**** supplements you can find at GNC or a pharmacy.

This normally wouldn’t be allowed either, unless you get the President to strong arm it thru his loyal minions in his admin, which is what the Pillow Grifter was hoping for. Maybe a well placed donation to Mar-a-Lago or a secret Swiss bank will help smooth it thru.


In case anyone is wondering, the ‘fantastic’ results that they found in vitro against the coronavirus showed concentrations of about 10ng/ml will kill it.

Super low concentration! Sounds awesome to idiots who sell pillows and guys who hawk nutritional supplements!

But the lethal dose is about...10ng/ml.

But thats the LD50 - so it means only half the animals die when they get to that level.

And... bonus? If you die from oleandrin toxicity, you dont die from COVID! That’s gonna crater Trumps numbers - amirite?!?!!!

 

[nota bene]

I asked the wrong person for an honest answer and discussion. Nevermind, no longer care.

You want a discussion on the attempt(s) to assassinate Hitler? Oh, sure. But you're right; I'm the wrong person to try to play this game with.

 

[Craig234]

You want a discussion on the attempt(s) to assassinate Hitler? Oh, sure. But you're right; I'm the wrong person to try to play this game with.

If it were a game, you might be just the right person, but it's not, so you're not. There are real ethical issues and arguments on both sides that are brought into focus with the example of Hitler. Now, don't expect another response.