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Oldest Christian inscription naming JESUS as GOD

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This inscription which names JESUS as GOD on a Roman mosaic tile floor in a pray hall/chapel goes back nearly 130 years years before before the Nicene Creed. The implication is that the early Church already held the view that JESUS CHRIST is GOD. This was discovered a while ago in 2005, but often things archaeological analysis takes time. Here is a research article. Here is another:
 
This inscription which names JESUS as GOD on a Roman mosaic tile floor in a pray hall/chapel goes back nearly 130 years years before before the Nicene Creed. The implication is that the early Church already held the view that JESUS CHRIST is GOD. This was discovered a while ago in 2005, but often things archaeological analysis takes time. Here is a research article. Here is another:

Thanks! Fun stuff. Here's a list of early coins bearing the actual images of gods hundreds of years before then.
  1. Zeus- from a stater of the Arkadian League, minted in Megalopolis from the summer of 363 BC to the spring of 362 BC.
  2. Poseidon- this depiction is from a tetradrachm of Antigonus Doson, King of Macedon, from 229-221 BC.
  3. Hera- from a stater minted at the Cretan city of Knossos, from 300-270 BC.
  4. Aphrodite- from a tetradrachm of the city Knidos in Caria, minted from 375-340 BC.
  5. Apollo- this depiction comes from a tetradrachm minted by the Kingdom of Macedonia, at the city of Amphipolis from 357-356 BC.
  6. Ares- from a bronze hexas minted by the Mamertinoi mercenaries at the Syracusan city of Messana from 264-241 BC.
  7. Artemis- the goddess is shown with a quiver on this gold stater minted by the Kingdom of Epirus, under the king Pyrrhus from 297-272 BC.
  8. Athena- this masterful portrait was made by the artist Eukleidas at the city of Syracuse from 413-399 BC.
  9. Demeter- this coin was minted by the city of Pheneos from 360-350 BC.
  10. Hermes- from a tetradrachm minted at the Thracian city if Ainos in the 360's BC.

You know what they say. One bas relief image is worth a thousand words.


Good looking fellow, dontcha think? No doubt where christians got their image of their god in the sky.
 
They believed he was God because he said he was. In part the reason the Pharisees and scribes wanted to kill him on multiple occasions.
 
This inscription which names JESUS as GOD on a Roman mosaic tile floor in a pray hall/chapel goes back nearly 130 years years before before the Nicene Creed. The implication is that the early Church already held the view that JESUS CHRIST is GOD. This was discovered a while ago in 2005, but often things archaeological analysis takes time. Here is a research article. Here is another:

The early church had all sorts of wildly disparate beliefs, including this one. That's why the emperor Constantine, in wanting to exploit this new religion politically to try to unify his empire, really wanted them to sit down and come up with some sort of coherent, unified belief system in Nicaea. It just so happened that this particular version of the story won out.

But that was just a contingent outcome- not necessarily that these older generations had stumbled on any "real truth". These various narratives are all just made up mythologies. It's like trying to argue about which version of the myth of Ra was the real one.
 
They believed he was God because he said he was. In part the reason the Pharisees and scribes wanted to kill him on multiple occasions.
Jesus never said he was God...
 
The early church had all sorts of wildly disparate beliefs, including this one. That's why the emperor Constantine, in wanting to exploit this new religion politically to try to unify his empire, really wanted them to sit down and come up with some sort of coherent, unified belief system in Nicaea. It just so happened that this particular version of the story won out.

But that was just a contingent outcome- not necessarily that these older generations had stumbled on any "real truth". These various narratives are all just made up mythologies. It's like trying to argue about which version of the myth of Ra was the real one.
It is highly unlikely that Romans would place their lives on the line in the display of CHRISTIANITY, let alone what some might try to call "heresy".
 
This inscription which names JESUS as GOD on a Roman mosaic tile floor in a pray hall/chapel goes back nearly 130 years years before before the Nicene Creed. The implication is that the early Church already held the view that JESUS CHRIST is GOD. This was discovered a while ago in 2005, but often things archaeological analysis takes time. Here is a research article. Here is another:

Of course not. The Councils didn’t produce new theological material. The purpose of the Councils was to debate and settle existing theological differences between the various churches founded by different disciples/apostles.
 
Of course not. The Councils didn’t produce new theological material. The purpose of the Councils was to debate and settle existing theological differences between the various churches founded by different disciples/apostles.
Nope, they wished to eliminate Gnostic teachings that had nothing to do with the disciple/apostles of CHRIST.
 
Nope, they wished to eliminate Gnostic teachings that had nothing to do with the disciple/apostles of CHRIST.
Gnosticism is rooted in the Church founded by the apostle John and the teachings of Paul. And to this day there is a schism between the Church founded by Peter and the Church founded by James.
 
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What did Thomas mean when he said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God”?

On the occasion of Jesus’ appearance to Thomas and the other apostles, which had removed Thomas’ doubts of Jesus’ resurrection, the now-convinced Thomas exclaimed to Jesus: “My Lord and my God! [literally, “The Lord of me and the God (ho The·osʹ) of me!”].” (Joh 20:24-29) Some scholars have viewed this expression as an exclamation of astonishment spoken to Jesus but actually directed to God, his Father. However, others claim the original Greek requires that the words be viewed as being directed to Jesus.

Even if this is so, the expression “My Lord and my God” would still have to harmonize with the rest of the inspired Scriptures. Since the record shows that Jesus had previously sent his disciples the message, “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God,” there is no reason for believing that Thomas thought Jesus was the Almighty God. (Joh 20:17)
John himself, after recounting Thomas’ encounter with the resurrected Jesus, says of this and similar accounts: “But these have been written down that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, and that, because of believing, you may have life by means of his name.”—Joh 20:30, 31.

So, Thomas may have addressed Jesus as “my God” in the sense of Jesus’ being “a god” though not the Almighty God, not “the only true God,” to whom Thomas had often heard Jesus pray. (Joh 17:1-3) Or he may have addressed Jesus as “my God” in a way similar to expressions made by his forefathers, recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures, with which Thomas was familiar. On various occasions when individuals were visited or addressed by an angelic messenger of Jehovah, the individuals, or at times the Bible writer setting out the account, responded to or spoke of that angelic messenger as though he were Jehovah God. (Compare Ge 16:7-11, 13; 18:1-5, 22-33; 32:24-30; Jg 6:11-15; 13:20-22.)

This was because the angelic messenger was acting for Jehovah as his representative, speaking in his name, perhaps using the first person singular pronoun, and even saying, “I am the true God.” (Ge 31:11-13; Jg 2:1-5) Thomas may therefore have spoken to Jesus as “my God” in this sense, acknowledging or confessing Jesus as the representative and spokesman of the true God. Whatever the case, it is certain that Thomas’ words do not contradict the clear statement he himself had heard Jesus make, namely, “The Father is greater than I am.”—Joh 14:28
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002451
 
Gnosticism is rooted in the Church founded by the apostle John and the teachings of Paul. And to this day there is a schism between the Church founded by Peter and the Church founded by James.
False! Gnosticism emerged in the late first or early second century, potentially drawing from both Jewish and Greco-Roman philosophical tradition while accepting some Christian influences.
 
What did Thomas mean when he said to Jesus, “My Lord and my God”?

On the occasion of Jesus’ appearance to Thomas and the other apostles, which had removed Thomas’ doubts of Jesus’ resurrection, the now-convinced Thomas exclaimed to Jesus: “My Lord and my God! [literally, “The Lord of me and the God (ho The·osʹ) of me!”].” (Joh 20:24-29) Some scholars have viewed this expression as an exclamation of astonishment spoken to Jesus but actually directed to God, his Father. However, others claim the original Greek requires that the words be viewed as being directed to Jesus.

Even if this is so, the expression “My Lord and my God” would still have to harmonize with the rest of the inspired Scriptures. Since the record shows that Jesus had previously sent his disciples the message, “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God,” there is no reason for believing that Thomas thought Jesus was the Almighty God. (Joh 20:17)
John himself, after recounting Thomas’ encounter with the resurrected Jesus, says of this and similar accounts: “But these have been written down that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, and that, because of believing, you may have life by means of his name.”—Joh 20:30, 31.

So, Thomas may have addressed Jesus as “my God” in the sense of Jesus’ being “a god” though not the Almighty God, not “the only true God,” to whom Thomas had often heard Jesus pray. (Joh 17:1-3) Or he may have addressed Jesus as “my God” in a way similar to expressions made by his forefathers, recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures, with which Thomas was familiar. On various occasions when individuals were visited or addressed by an angelic messenger of Jehovah, the individuals, or at times the Bible writer setting out the account, responded to or spoke of that angelic messenger as though he were Jehovah God. (Compare Ge 16:7-11, 13; 18:1-5, 22-33; 32:24-30; Jg 6:11-15; 13:20-22.)

This was because the angelic messenger was acting for Jehovah as his representative, speaking in his name, perhaps using the first person singular pronoun, and even saying, “I am the true God.” (Ge 31:11-13; Jg 2:1-5) Thomas may therefore have spoken to Jesus as “my God” in this sense, acknowledging or confessing Jesus as the representative and spokesman of the true God. Whatever the case, it is certain that Thomas’ words do not contradict the clear statement he himself had heard Jesus make, namely, “The Father is greater than I am.”—Joh 14:28
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002451
You will have no other god's before me. So unless CHRIST is GOD, Thomas would be committing blasphemy against the most high GOD, and CHRIST would be practicing impropriety against the FATHER for not criticizing Thomas. But frankly it would seem that by not regarding the TRINITY, you have to make a whole lot of excuses. And as a TRINITY---JESUS the CHRIST would be laboring as the GOD representative of the other two persons.
 
You will have no other god's before me. So unless CHRIST is GOD, Thomas would be committing blasphemy against the most high GOD, and CHRIST would be practicing impropriety against the FATHER for not criticizing Thomas. But frankly it would seem that by not regarding the TRINITY, you have to make a whole lot of excuses. And as a TRINITY---JESUS the CHRIST would be laboring as the GOD representative of the other two persons.

Yea, they all dreamed he said he was.

What a coincidence.
O(k, give me the scripture where he says he is God...
 
O(k, give me the scripture where he says he is God...

Isaiah 9:6

For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, --->Mighty God,<---
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
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Daisy said:
Jesus is referred to as a --->Mighty God..<---
 

Isaiah 9:6

For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.

And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, --->Mighty God,<---
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
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amen Logic. let's be patient with Daisy, i don't think she can scramble that verse?

Daisy said:
Jesus is referred to as a --->Mighty God..<---

Daisy, you got it right the first time.....




goooood one Logic

you say something about yur atheism, but that seems to be waning the more Bible you recite.

me thinks you are in the closet right now concerning yur christian faith. it's ok to come out and enjoy New Eternal Life.


oh yeah, did i mention that mansion over the hilltop?


blessings bro, till the end.

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amen Logic. let's be patient with Daisy, i don't think she can scramble that verse?



Daisy, you got it right the first time.....




goooood one Logic

you say something about yur atheism, but that seems to be waning the more Bible you recite.

me thinks you are in the closet right now concerning yur christian faith. it's ok to come out and enjoy New Eternal Life.



oh yeah, did i mention that mansion over the hilltop?


blessings bro, till the end.

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Regarding the above bolded, Rev.

A biblical scripture was requested.

I presented a biblical scripture.

That doesn't make me any less an atheist today than the day I presented the scripture. If I ever do decide to become a believer, I'll make certain you are informed the conversion. Sound fair?

Have a nice night and an enjoyable weekend - "bro" - ;)
 
Regarding the above bolded, Rev.

A biblical scripture was requested.

I presented a biblical scripture.

this my friends is part of Logic's Big Beautiful Conversion; even better than the Big Beautiful Bill in that dee cee place....

That doesn't make me any less an atheist today than the day I presented the scripture. If I ever do decide to become a believer, I'll make certain you are informed the conversion. Sound fair?

but you be toooo nice lately, like you gitten some christian character. even nice around @Daisy too.

me thinks there is something going on in yur heart Logic, and you can't hide it from us. i am watching you.


Have a nice night and an enjoyable weekend - "bro" - ;)

aw, how sweet my friend.

and great blessings be upon Thee and thine forever and ever.

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Daisy, you got it right the first time.....
And Jehovah is Almighty God...see the difference?

ALMIGHTY

The word “Almighty” is translated from the Hebrew word Shad·daiʹ and the Greek word Pan·to·kraʹtor. Both words evidently convey the idea of strength or power.

The Hebrew Term. In the Hebrew text Shad·daiʹ is used seven times along with ʼEl (God), forming the title “God Almighty.” (Ge 17:1; 28:3; 35:11; 43:14; 48:3; Ex 6:3; Eze 10:5) In the other 41 occurrences it stands alone and is translated “the Almighty” or “the Almighty One.” Similar to ʼAdho·naiʹ (Sovereign Lord) and ʼElo·himʹ (God), Shad·daiʹ is in the plural to denote excellence.—Ge 49:25; Nu 24:4; Ps 68:14.

The Greek Term. In the Christian Greek Scriptures the word Pan·to·kraʹtor occurs ten times, nine of them in the book of Revelation. The word basically means “Almighty,” or “All Powerful.” Its use in the Christian Greek Scriptures lends weight to the understanding of the Hebrew term Shad·daiʹ as meaning “Almighty One,” since otherwise there would be no corresponding term for Pan·to·kraʹtor in the Hebrew Scriptures.

In the prophecy at Isaiah 9:6 concerning the Messiah, the title “Mighty God” is applied to the promised Prince of Peace. This expression, however, translates the Hebrew ʼEl Gib·bohrʹ, not ʼEl Shad·daiʹ, as in the above scriptures.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000201
 
And Jehovah is Almighty God...see the difference?

of course. God the Father is distinct from God the Son; they are real personalities and persons in the Trinity.

moving on though.

do you notice a Mellowing from our friend @Logician Man ?

after years of banter and fighting, there is something going on me thinks.

could be my April 8 thing finally settling in; or is is something else?



blessings, please start digging deeeeep and close the door behind you.


ALMIGHTY

The word “Almighty” is translated from the Hebrew word Shad·daiʹ and the Greek word Pan·to·kraʹtor. Both words evidently convey the idea of strength or power.

The Hebrew Term. In the Hebrew text Shad·daiʹ is used seven times along with ʼEl (God), forming the title “God Almighty.” (Ge 17:1; 28:3; 35:11; 43:14; 48:3; Ex 6:3; Eze 10:5) In the other 41 occurrences it stands alone and is translated “the Almighty” or “the Almighty One.” Similar to ʼAdho·naiʹ (Sovereign Lord) and ʼElo·himʹ (God), Shad·daiʹ is in the plural to denote excellence.—Ge 49:25; Nu 24:4; Ps 68:14.

The Greek Term. In the Christian Greek Scriptures the word Pan·to·kraʹtor occurs ten times, nine of them in the book of Revelation. The word basically means “Almighty,” or “All Powerful.” Its use in the Christian Greek Scriptures lends weight to the understanding of the Hebrew term Shad·daiʹ as meaning “Almighty One,” since otherwise there would be no corresponding term for Pan·to·kraʹtor in the Hebrew Scriptures.

In the prophecy at Isaiah 9:6 concerning the Messiah, the title “Mighty God” is applied to the promised Prince of Peace. This expression, however, translates the Hebrew ʼEl Gib·bohrʹ, not ʼEl Shad·daiʹ, as in the above scriptures.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000201
 
the Word was a god: Or “the Word was divine [or, “a godlike one”].” This statement by John describes a quality or characteristic of “the Word” (Greek, ho loʹgos; see study note on the Word in this verse), that is, Jesus Christ. The Word’s preeminent position as the firstborn Son of God through whom God created all other things is a basis for describing him as “a god; a godlike one; divine; a divine being.” Many translators favor the rendering “the Word was God,” equating him with God Almighty. However, there are good reasons for saying that John did not mean that “the Word” was the same as Almighty God. First, the preceding clause and the following clause both clearly state that “the Word” was “with God.”

Also, the Greek word the·osʹ occurs three times in verses 1 and 2. In the first and third occurrences, the·osʹ is preceded by the definite article in Greek; in the second occurrence, there is no article. Many scholars agree that the absence of the definite article before the second the·osʹ is significant. When the article is used in this context, the·osʹ refers to God Almighty.

On the other hand, the absence of the article in this grammatical construction makes the·osʹ qualitative in meaning and describes a characteristic of “the Word.” Therefore, a number of Bible translations in English, French, and German render the text in a way similar to the New World Translation, conveying the idea that “the Word” was “a god; divine; a divine being; of divine kind; godlike.” Supporting this view, ancient translations of John’s Gospel into the Sahidic and the Bohairic dialects of the Coptic language, probably produced in the third and fourth centuries C.E., handle the first occurrence of the·osʹ at Joh 1:1 differently from the second occurrence.


These renderings highlight a quality of “the Word,” that his nature was like that of God, but they do not equate him with his Father, the almighty God. In harmony with this verse, Col 2:9 describes Christ as having “all the fullness of the divine quality.” And according to 2Pe 1:4, even Christ’s joint heirs would “become sharers in divine nature.” Additionally, in the Septuagint translation, the Greek word the·osʹ is the usual equivalent of the Hebrew words rendered “God,” ʼel and ʼelo·himʹ, which are thought to convey the basic meaning “Mighty One; Strong One.” These Hebrew words are used with reference to the almighty God, other gods, and humans. (See study note on Joh 10:34.)

Calling the Word “a god,” or “a mighty one,” would be in line with the prophecy at Isa 9:6, foretelling that the Messiah would be called “Mighty God” (not “Almighty God”) and that he would be the “Eternal Father” of all those privileged to live as his subjects. The zeal of his own Father, “Jehovah of armies,” would accomplish this.—Isa 9:7.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwtsty/43/1#study=discover&v=43:1:1


John 1:1 From Additional Translations

“In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was divine.”—The Bible—An American Translation, 1935, by J.M.P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed.

“The Logos existed in the very beginning, the Logos was with God, the Logos was divine.”—The Bible—Containing the Old and New Testaments, 1950, by James Moffatt.

“The Word was in the beginning, and the word was with God, and the word was a god.”—The New Testament in an Improved Version, 1808, edited by Thomas Belsham, based on a New Testament translation by William Newcome.

“In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God. So the Word was divine.”—The Authentic New Testament, 1958, by Hugh J. Schonfield.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/502300113?q=mighty+god&p=sen
 
Ok, give me the scripture where he says he is God...
John 1:1
American Standard Version:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

American Translation (Beck), An: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

Amplified Bible: “In the beginning (before all time) was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. (Isa. 9:6.)”

Analytical-Literal Translation: “In the beginning was the Word [or, the Expression of [divine] Logic], and the Word was with [or, in communion with] God, and the Word was God [or, was as to His essence God].”

Aramaic New Covenant: “In the beginning the Word having been and the Word having been unto God and God having been the Word . . .”

Archbishop Newcome’s New Testament (Prior to changes by Belsham): “The Word was in the beginning, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

Barclay New Testament: “When the world began, the Word was already there. The Word was with God, and the nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God.”

Basic Bible: “From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God and was God.”

Bible in Basic English: “From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God and was God.”

Bible Reader, The: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

Bishops Bible: “In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God.”

Common English New Testament: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

Complete Jewish Bible: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
 
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