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Old Testament and New Testament

Are all the rules of the Old Testament also binding for Christians?

  • no, they are NOT!

    Votes: 3 37.5%

  • yes, they are

    Votes: 1 12.5%

  • don't know

    Votes: 1 12.5%

  • don't care

    Votes: 3 37.5%
  • Total voters
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Some Christians seem to have the strange idea that all those rules in the Old Testament are also binding for Christians.
So let's have a poll on that topic.
 
Rumpel said:
Some Christians seem to have the strange idea that all those rules in the Old Testament are also binding for Christians.
So let's have a poll on that topic.
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So the OT is just a bunch of hogwash? Not really a part of the Bible? Nothing important? Should be ignored?

(Except of course when it benefits you to use it in a debate?)
 
It doesn't matter at all. I am baptized, but I do not observe rituals and do not attend church.
 
Well, the Old Testament doesn't have Jesus' teachings in it.

Jesus' teachings are the basis of Christianity.
 
Why would God's covenant with the Jewish people apply to Christians? They are the special ones -- not the lowly Gentiles.
 
swing_voter said:
Well, the Old Testament doesn't have Jesus' teachings in it.

Jesus' teachings are the basis of Christianity.
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But isn't the OT also the Word of God? Can you simply cast it aside?
 
We were relieved of the need to provide sacrifice offerings etc for our sins as laid out in the Old Testament, through the sacrifice and blood of Jesus Christ
 
Rumpel said:
Some Christians seem to have the strange idea that all those rules in the Old Testament are also binding for Christians.
So let's have a poll on that topic.
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Matthew 5:17-20
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

The Apostle Paul, teacher to the gentiles, made the case that Jesus was the fulfillment of the law and released everyone from Mosaic law as long as they had faith in Christ (Galatians 3:10-14). His argument was that the original Covenant was between God and Abraham. He also argued that Mosaic law bound us to sin but that we were redeemed through Christ. That's all rather difficult for many people to wrap their heads around but both God and Moses acknowledged that nobody could or would fully obey the law. What was ultimately commanded (Deuteronomy 30:19-20) was to have faith in God and that is EXACTLY what Christ taught us and showed us. In a nut shell, the idea is that commitment to the law is one thing and commitment to God is another. The law serves as guideposts on the path to salvation but if one commits only to the law and not to God then they will be forever lost.
 
Rumpel said:
Some Christians seem to have the strange idea that all those rules in the Old Testament are also binding for Christians.
So let's have a poll on that topic.
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There are rules that were meant only for Jews - because they were chosen to be a holy nation. Examples are their dietary rules.

But some rules no longer apply after the death and Resurrection of the Messiah - like, offering sacrificial animals to atone for sins.
Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice. Also, what Lutherf had explained above concerning laws.

 
Look there:

Same-Sex relationships - and Bible Chrstians - etc

Just one short question: Why is it that some Christians think that Same-Sex relationships are an "abomination"? That was said in the Old Testament. Jesus never said anything like it. Do those Christians think they are wiser - or more Christian than Christ himself?
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Can you seriously be of the opinion, that we should kill all those who engage in same-sex-relationships, because it says so in the OT?
 
Rumpel said:
Look there:

Same-Sex relationships - and Bible Chrstians - etc

Just one short question: Why is it that some Christians think that Same-Sex relationships are an "abomination"? That was said in the Old Testament. Jesus never said anything like it. Do those Christians think they are wiser - or more Christian than Christ himself?
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Can you seriously be of the opinion, that we should kill all those who engage in same-sex-relationships, because it says so in the OT?
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SHOULD?

Of course, not!
Didn't Jesus step in, in the case of the adulteress?


But, the difference with the OT is that it was within their laws (government laws).
If it is within our laws (governmental) to do so, then we are supposed to adhere to that law.

It's like the capital punishment. If it is the law, it is the law! We are told to submit.
 
Rumpel said:
Which God?
The word of a sadistical murderous God?
Famous for killing children and babies?
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I'm pretty sure the Bible only refers to one God. Yes, that one is famous for killing children and babies.

The question you're really asking is whether Christians should take the Bible literally, and there are as many answers to that question as there are Christians. Look at all the Christian sects that emphasize different aspects of their faith. Many Christians describe their religion in terms of a personal relationship with God; hence, people already pick and choose what they want to believe from the Bible, even evangelicals.

I had a good friend who was a Southern Baptist who told me that the Bible was the literal word of God. When I asked him about so many of the questionable things listed in post #4, his reply was that those were the word of God but that humans are not smart enough to understand them.

Don't get me started :rolleyes:
 
VySky said:
We were relieved of the need to provide sacrifice offerings etc for our sins as laid out in the Old Testament, through the sacrifice and blood of Jesus Christ
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Where does it say that exactly?
 
VySky said:
We were relieved of the need to provide sacrifice offerings etc for our sins as laid out in the Old Testament, through the sacrifice and blood of Jesus Christ
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These lines have been repeated parrot-like again and again by pious people for ages.
But there is no sense in them.
 
Rumpel said:
These lines have been repeated parrot-like again and again by pious people for ages.
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Of course it would be repeated! It's the DOCTRINE! doh?


Like, really - how many ways would you like us to describe what exactly happened after the death of Christ?


At least, we repeat a fact in our DOCTRINE........


............but not the same way can be said to atheists who parrot stupidly crappy lines like, "Flying Spaghetti Monster" (like, they can't even make up their own phrase to ridicule something)......

..............which suggests that parroting - lack of any originality - even goes far into THOUGHTS .........



.....and, practically admitting ignorance when they ask, "where does it says that in the Bible" (among other things).............................
..............without them even realizing what they parrot is, stupidly crappy! :ROFLMAO: That's the kicker!




....no wonder, mankind is referred to as sheep in the Bible -










Rumpel said:
But there is no sense in them.
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hahahahahaha
 
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