Ok, so at this point we know...

[Rexedgar]

I am not a DJT supporter at all, but I have yet to see a viable opponent at this stage. Thinking that DJT is not going to reelected at this point, is a “bridge too far,” imo.

 

[Yakshi]

I think that it’s not impossible that Republicans/Russians manufacture some stories about the Democratic nominee. A false sexual assault accusation sounds about right.

That would neuter one of Democrats’ strongest criticisms of Trump and give independent voters a rapist vs. rapist grand finale.

 

[Yakshi]

Tax cuts are free ****.

In the purest form.

Cash.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Now that that's settled maybe you kooks can stop littering the forum with 50 TDS posts ( all with an average IQ of 91) and start concentrating on which DEmocrat is going to pander o more LBGQTLMNOP brown skins and give away the most free ****.
LAFFRIOT

Very likely most, if not all, of the alphabet group (and “brown skins”) that you disparage and took Trump at his word in ‘16 have learned that he truly doesn’t give a **** about them and has done nothing to improve their lives, will vote for whoever opposes him.

One of Trump’s greatest weaknesses is that he is now a known quantity among virtually all Americans. His complete failure to reach out beyond his brain dead base, and constant attacks on liberals will hurt him come next year. It might not be enough to keep him from being re-elected or it might be enough to assure his crushing defeat. Regardless, really, really stupid on his part to only speak to the minority population.

 

[GDViking]

I think Viking was being facetious.

Not in this case, my twenty dollar Walmart phones spell check fixed my wondering thumps, however in retrospect I wish I had...

 

[joko104]

I that trump can not win.

He won the midwest with 70,000 votes, he has not turned a single liberal or independent, or even gained a single voter who did not vote for him last time.

He has energized the youth against him and due to his dumb ass trade wars have lost most of his farm support.

That being said who, at this point in time from the Democratic pool is your bet for our next president/vice president???

There is no disputing the polls. Donald Trump will never be the Republican Party nominee. So he has no chance of even challenging President Hilary Clinton.

In other words, this is just a junk thread desperate to declare loyalty to the super rich corporate fascists of the world. They will pick the Democratic Party's nominee. You and any other Democrats are irrelevant other than they do as you do in your messages and follow their instructions like a good little submissive servant.

 

[joko104]

I think that it’s not impossible that Republicans/Russians manufacture some stories about the Democratic nominee. A false sexual assault accusation sounds about right.

That would neuter one of Democrats’ strongest criticisms of Trump and give independent voters a rapist vs. rapist grand finale.

Every Democratic candidate for president is a rapist and pedophile, and the front runners also are drug dealers, Chinese agents and murderers.

 

[GDViking]

How ‘bout this one?
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I had this one made in ‘16
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Please let me know if you market those, my neighbor is one of two people left in the county with a trump sign still up.

He owned a dozen vehicles that could use some bumper stickers...:lol:

 

[Grand Mal]

Now that that's settled maybe you kooks can stop littering the forum with 50 TDS posts ( all with an average IQ of 91) and start concentrating on which DEmocrat is going to pander o more LBGQTLMNOP brown skins and give away the most free ****.
LAFFRIOT

Reading this post, I'm guessing that average is something for you to continue to aspire to,

 

[VanceMack]

In 1 rally in Orlanda Trump had more people show up than all the democrat rallies...and quite possibly more than all of them combined to date. His Ju;ly 4th on the Mall in DC was packed. He raised more for the GOP in a single month than all the democrat candidates for president combined.

Yeah...keep banging that death knell...

Who knows what it will all end up looking like,but as long as the rat party candidates are going out of their way to alienate the country there is a good chance that ANY republican could beat whoever the dems finally settle on.

 

[Grand Mal]

Every Democratic candidate for president is a rapist and pedophile, and the front runners also are drug dealers, Chinese agents and murderers.

Stop.
Just, stop.

 

[Linc]

I that trump can not win.

He won the midwest with 70,000 votes, he has not turned a single liberal or independent, or even gained a single voter who did not vote for him last time.

He has energized the youth against him and due to his dumb ass trade wars have lost most of his farm support.

That being said who, at this point in time from the Democratic pool is your bet for our next president/vice president???

... that Brad Parscale and the RNC are well on their way to getting trump re-elected, with plenty of help from the two dozen Democratic candidates.

 

[Luckyone]

Thinking you can't lose is a fantastic way to find a path to losing.

I don't believe that between now and November 2020 that anything will change for the simple reason that Trump is unlikely to do any additional tax cuts and/or deregulation and given that he has failed everywhere else, the probabilities do not favor things getting better or worse, though with the incompetence shown so far, there is a bigger chance of Trump making an error that makes things worse rather than better.

His approval/disapproval numbers have not changed much during his entire 29 months in office and therefore with the chances being extremely low that he will do something to make things better, it is also highly unlikely that those numbers will change between now and the election.

How Popular Is Donald Trump? | FiveThirtyEight

His tax cuts will not bring any new benefits during the next 15 months and there also are no new deregulations that are likely to make things any better so in that respect he is not likely to bring any new voters to the ones he already has.

Trump has enjoyed a stock market with the DOW rising from 18,000 to 27000 but the market is stagnant now and there have been consistent and repetitive signs that things are slowing down and will continue to slow down during the next 15 months, so the market is not likely to add any new ammunition to his side.

On a new poll that came out a few days ago, Trump is losing to 4 of the main Democratic candidates:

NATIONAL POLL: General Election Ballot:

Trump 49% vs Warren 51%
Trump 45% vs Biden 55%
Trump 49% vs Sanders 51%
Trump 48% vs Harris 52%
Trump 51% vs O'Rourke 49%

This is with a plethora of candidates. When one candidate gets nominated, the Democrats will rally around that candidate and either that candidate will continue to show poll numbers that favor him/her versus Trump or more likely increase the margin. The margin of error in the polls is around 3% and that means that as of right now, all candidates would beat Trump with the exception of O'Rourke even with the margin of error.

Given the incompetency that Trump has displayed, there is a higher chance of him messing up than doing something positive above what already has been done and given that none of the present Democratic nominees has as much negative baggage as Hillary had, it already suggests that the Democrats will not have the negatves that they had in the last election.

I would venture to say that in this election the Democrats will vote in higher numbers than they did in 2016 (proven by the 2018 elections) and that is not the case with Trump given that in the last election he was the "new hope" and versus the negatives of Hillary it made the difference. Trump is now a known quantity (no longer offering hope) and has shown some strong negatives that were not known in 2016. In addition, he has already done things like the Trade War that has caused many of his own supporters to lose big money and among the middle and poor classes, he has not given them enough to have them all gung-ho about the next election, meaning that there is a higher probability of him losing his own voters than him gaining new ones.

Though he has kept some of his promises, there are a lot more that he has not kept (Illegal Immigration, Health Insurance, Infrastructure, Mexico paying for wall, not cut Social Security and Medicaid, drain the swamp, get the best of the best to run the govt., etc.), meaning there is less belief in his promises than in 2016.

Trump lost the popular vote and only won the electoral vote by 80,000 votes in 3 states and in those states, the polls now show Trump losing.

As such and how things are right now, I would venture to say that Trump winning the 2020 election is a long shot and I do not believe that saying so at this time will give Trump an edge. The two sides are now pretty locked in to their beliefs about Trump and that is not going to change. That was not the same situation in 2016 because there were more undecided then than now. The undecided voters are now minimal compared to 2016. In 2016 it was said that about 25% of the population was undecided and now it seems that it is down to about 10%.

It is going to be extremely difficult for Trump to win in 2020 without something changing for the better from where they are now.

 

[joko104]

I am not a DJT supporter at all, but I have yet to see a viable opponent at this stage. Thinking that DJT is not going to reelected at this point, is a “bridge too far,” imo.

Another member pointed out that since televised political debated, the most charismatic candidate has always won the election. Issues may be irrelevant.

Donald Trump has a very loyal and committed sizable group of supporters including those drawn to his star-power charisma. He wasn't the #1 reality TV star out of luck. While Bernie has a small group of devoted followers and some LGBTs will vote for the gay guy no matter what, their core groupies is vastly smaller than that of Donald Trump and far, far less diverse.

What the Democratic Candidate's list lacks is anyone that has a charismatic personality to any significant degree. If you are not a partisan, they are hard to listen to for very long. They don't know how to attack and smile at the same time. They just don't have the skillsets to have a personality-cult following of any significance. It is curious to think that, in the end, that is really what electing the president is all about.

It also explains why Trump non-stop attacks the MSM - and why the MSM incessantly attacks Trump 24/7 with any PERSONAL attacks regardless of how petty, irrelevant or outright false. While calling themselves reporters and commentators, everyone on the MSM also REALLY is just hired actors for the mega super rich corporations they are employed by. As actors themselves, the recognize that "star power" is vastly more important than any political issues.

Trump also has the edge on the classic US versus THEM - because US is Americans and THEM is everyone who isn't. This is a very simplistic message that is at the core of human socialization DNA. The Democratic candidates rant about Russia, but otherwise really it comes across as THEM desperate to defeat Trump who - skillfully or not - at least claims he is fighting for US against THEM. Democrats are just against Trump - but in favor of "THEM" (non-Americans).

If you are in Green Bay, Wisconsin, which would play better - being for the Packers or cursing the Packers favoring the Cowboys? Trump is very skilled at keeping it very simple, direct and unconfused. Chrismatic US versus THEM.

Once again, if Trump wins re-election, it will be on illegal immigration. If Democrats win, it will be on promises of free stuff.

 

[GDViking]

There is no disputing the polls. Donald Trump will never be the Republican Party nominee. So he has no chance of even challenging President Hilary Clinton.

In other words, this is just a junk thread desperate to declare loyalty to the super rich corporate fascists of the world. They will pick the Democratic Party's nominee. You and any other Democrats are irrelevant other than they do as you do in your messages and follow their instructions like a good little submissive servant.

Once again you have no clue, I am not a Democrat, however in today's political environment I have moved left.

It started with Scott Walker destroying our schools, environment, and department of natural resources and hit it's peak when Republicans **** all over themselves and actually elected a con artist who spent decades trying to by his way into a democratic nomination and then realized it was cheaper to con then buy and proceeded to prove just how many fools are born every minute.

When Scott Walker was elected I watched every Republican I ever had respect for retire or be replaced by a t-party shill because a reasonable Republican who puts party before Constituents is deemed a "RINO".

I am not anti Republican, I am anti MORON...

 

[joko104]

I don't believe that between now and November 2020 that anything will change for the simple reason that Trump is unlikely to do any additional tax cuts and/or deregulation and given that he has failed everywhere else, the probabilities do not favor things getting better or worse, though with the incompetence shown so far, there is a bigger chance of Trump making an error that makes things worse rather than better.

His approval/disapproval numbers have not changed much during his entire 29 months in office and therefore with the chances being extremely low that he will do something to make things better, it is also highly unlikely that those numbers will change between now and the election.

How Popular Is Donald Trump? | FiveThirtyEight

His tax cuts will not bring any new benefits during the next 15 months and there also are no new deregulations that are likely to make things any better so in that respect he is not likely to bring any new voters to the ones he already has.

Trump has enjoyed a stock market with the DOW rising from 18,000 to 27000 but the market is stagnant now and there have been consistent and repetitive signs that things are slowing down and will continue to slow down during the next 15 months, so the market is not likely to add any new ammunition to his side.

On a new poll that came out a few days ago, Trump is losing to 4 of the main Democratic candidates:

NATIONAL POLL: General Election Ballot:

Trump 49% vs Warren 51%
Trump 45% vs Biden 55%
Trump 49% vs Sanders 51%
Trump 48% vs Harris 52%
Trump 51% vs O'Rourke 49%

This is with a plethora of candidates. When one candidate gets nominated, the Democrats will rally around that candidate and either that candidate will continue to show poll numbers that favor him/her versus Trump or more likely increase the margin. The margin of error in the polls is around 3% and that means that as of right now, all candidates would beat Trump with the exception of O'Rourke even with the margin of error.

Given the incompetency that Trump has displayed, there is a higher chance of him messing up than doing something positive above what already has been done and given that none of the present Democratic nominees has as much negative baggage as Hillary had, it already suggests that the Democrats will not have the negatves that they had in the last election.

I would venture to say that in this election the Democrats will vote in higher numbers than they did in 2016 (proven by the 2018 elections) and that is not the case with Trump given that in the last election he was the "new hope" and versus the negatives of Hillary it made the difference. Trump is now a known quantity (no longer offering hope) and has shown some strong negatives that were not known in 2016. In addition, he has already done things like the Trade War that has caused many of his own supporters to lose big money and among the middle and poor classes, he has not given them enough to have them all gung-ho about the next election, meaning that there is a higher probability of him losing his own voters than him gaining new ones.

Though he has kept some of his promises, there are a lot more that he has not kept (Illegal Immigration, Health Insurance, Infrastructure, Mexico paying for wall, not cut Social Security and Medicaid, drain the swamp, get the best of the best to run the govt., etc.), meaning there is less belief in his promises than in 2016.

Trump lost the popular vote and only won the electoral vote by 80,000 votes in 3 states and in those states, the polls now show Trump losing.

As such and how things are right now, I would venture to say that Trump winning the 2020 election is a long shot and I do not believe that saying so at this time will give Trump an edge. The two sides are now pretty locked in to their beliefs about Trump and that is not going to change. That was not the same situation in 2016 because there were more undecided then than now. The undecided voters are now minimal compared to 2016. In 2016 it was said that about 25% of the population was undecided and now it seems that it is down to about 10%.

It is going to be extremely difficult for Trump to win in 2020 without something changing for the better from where they are now.

Foolish reasoning. As it narrows on candidates, there will be Democrat malcontents furious their candidate lost. When it narrows to 1 candidate, then all the political guns turn on that Democrat.

My guess is who Trump most is concerned about is Harris. He's been careful not to pick his tag line against her yet. The only question is can she not say really offensively stupid stuff along the way? She is too untested to know yet.

 

[Rexedgar]

<snip>

The American electorate doesn’t pay enough attention. It comes down to a popularity contest. It’s still early yet, Trump has plenty of time to step on his dick, fatally, politically!

 

[joko104]

Once again you have no clue, I am not a Democrat, however in today's political environment I have moved left.

It started with Scott Walker destroying our schools, environment, and department of natural resources and hit it's peak when Republicans **** all over themselves and actually elected a con artist who spent decades trying to by his way into a democratic nomination and then realized it was cheaper to con then buy and proceeded to prove just how many fools are born every minute.

When Scott Walker was elected I watched every Republican I ever had respect for retire or be replaced by a t-party shill because a reasonable Republican who puts party before Constituents is deemed a "RINO".

I am not anti Republican, I am anti MORON...

Why do you and some other Democrats pretend "I'm not a Democrat?" There is no point to it whatsoever.

Thank you for warning me that Wisconsin has been destroyed. I used to travel there on occasion but now know to avoid that destroyed wasteland.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Not in this case, my twenty dollar Walmart phones spell check fixed my wondering thumps, however in retrospect I wish I had...

Been there. I usually double check before posting, but have missed a few funny/embarrassing typo’s too. It helps to be naturally self-deprecating. :mrgreen:

Please let me know if you market those, my neighbor is one of two people left in the county with a trump sign still up.

He owned a dozen vehicles that could use some bumper stickers...:lol:

I only had the one made. My wife posted it on her Facebook page and got around a hundred likes.

Once the Dems pick their candidate I’ll have to come up with a new one.

 

[Luckyone]

Every Democratic candidate for president is a rapist and pedophile, and the front runners also are drug dealers, Chinese agents and murderers.

Joko, I am surprised.........no, actually shocked.

Even though you have been in favor of Trump and have argued vehemently against anti-Trump people like myself, I had not yet seen you get down to this level to call all Democratic candidates rapists and pedophiles and the front runners drug dealers.

Not only are you wrong on the probability scale but not one of them has ever been accused officially like Trump has of 26 sexual misconduct actions. Trump also has hired "confirmed" corrupt people but has shown a total lack of humanity.

Any one that accuses people of the heinous crimes without proof is a sick individual, especially when supporting a person (Trump) that has a proven track record of heinous actions.

I no longer have any desire to debate with you. You have put yourself below the lowest level I accept that a person can be with whom to discuss something intelligently and with mutual respect. I have lost all respect for you with this post.

 

[joko104]

The American electorate doesn’t pay enough attention. It comes down to a popularity contest. It’s still early yet, Trump has plenty of time to step on his dick, fatally, politically!

Discussing politics with ordinary people bears little resemblance to this forum. They level that most people have almost no clue how government works and couldn't even name their two US Senators is astonishing. Simply put, you and I are irrelevant and all our words are nothing. We just cancel each other out.

What is unknown is what are the undercurrent emotional issues. For example, this area when for Trump both in percentage and voter turn out unprecedented in election history. What was the "under current issue?" Trans-rights - boys and men in girls and ladies bathrooms and showers. That drove people to the polls here for Trump like crazy. Unless you want pedophile rapists hanging out in the ladies bathrooms at all the remote parks around here and if you don't want boys in the girl's locker and shower room at school, you have to vote for Trump. Didn't need any other issues.

This area of Florida became an ocean of Trump flags, signs and stickers on cars. Either a person is anti-pedophile rapist (pro-Trump) or pro-pedophile rapists (pro-Clinton). That one was enough to gain him over 80% the vote in the general in this and neighboring counties and at least huge increase in turnout. In this county, there was exactly ONE Hilary Clinton sign - and it wasn't pro-Clinton, but anti-Trump. (Someone sprayed a red circle with a slash across it on a Trump yard sign.)

I think Biden would have beaten Trump in 2016 because Biden knows how to sneer with a smile as well as Trump and Biden is very skilled at very simplistic talk to old white people - a core of Trump's support However, Biden's ship sailed in 2016 and he wasn't on it. Biden isn't the man he was 4 years ago (aging can be cruel) and the Democratic Party isn't what it was 4 years ago.

 

[GDViking]

Foolish reasoning. As it narrows on candidates, there will be Democrat malcontents furious their candidate lost. When it narrows to 1 candidate, then all the political guns turn on that Democrat.

My guess is who Trump most is concerned about is Harris. He's been careful not to pick his tag line against her yet. The only question is can she not say really offensively stupid stuff along the way? She is too untested to know yet.

I agree he is afraid of her, however I think she would make a great VP candidate, unless she wants to run for POTUS as Oprah as her VP, then it's game over...

 

[joko104]

Joko, I am surprised.........no, actually shocked.

Even though you have been in favor of Trump and have argued vehemently against anti-Trump people like myself, I had not yet seen you get down to this level to call all Democratic candidates rapists and pedophiles and the front runners drug dealers.

Not only are you wrong on the probability scale but not one of them has ever been accused officially like Trump has of 26 sexual misconduct actions. Trump also has hired "confirmed" corrupt people but has shown a total lack of humanity.

Any one that accuses people of the heinous crimes without proof is a sick individual, especially when supporting a person (Trump) that has a proven track record of heinous actions.

I no longer have any desire to debate with you. You have put yourself below the lowest level I accept that a person can be with whom to discuss something intelligently and with mutual respect. I have lost all respect for you with this post.

:lamo I'm soooooo sorry to disappoint you.

I was just acting like the member I was quoting calling Trump a rapist. If it is about just name-calling, well then we'll call names. If someone posts rabid accusations of criminality at Trump, then that is the debate with THAT member - meaning my turn to call their candidate(s) criminals every way too.

Has Trump been charged, arrested, indicted or convicted of "rape?" No. Never. Does it bother you someone calling the president a "rapist?" No. So drop the fake indignation.

 

[GDViking]

Why do you and some other Democrats pretend "I'm not a Democrat?" There is no point to it whatsoever.

Thank you for warning me that Wisconsin has been destroyed. I used to travel there on occasion but now know to avoid that destroyed wasteland.

You do not want to travel down rural roads, few have been up kept for nine years of so...

 

[Luckyone]

Foolish reasoning. As it narrows on candidates, there will be Democrat malcontents furious their candidate lost. When it narrows to 1 candidate, then all the political guns turn on that Democrat.

My guess is who Trump most is concerned about is Harris. He's been careful not to pick his tag line against her yet. The only question is can she not say really offensively stupid stuff along the way? She is too untested to know yet.

I did not make that statement with any Democratic nominee in mind. I made that comment based on the last election given that NONE of the candidates carries the kind of negative baggage that Hillary carried and the fact that Trump was hope for many Hillary-haters but not necessarily Trump supporters and those are no longer available to him in the same quantity as before. Also on the fact that he has alienated many Republicans that were for him in 2016 that are no longer for him now.

I have to smile when you say foolish reasoning. Take any of the points I made and try to dismantle them with facts and figures and more importantly with reason and common sense.

I dare you to try.

I spent about 1 hour putting that response together and checked over 20 reports to get the reality stated as it is. None of my post had any TDS involved or an bias on my part. I analyzed the situation without any bias against Trump...............just facts.

The fact that you don't see it that way is your problem.