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Ok, now let's see what happens to fast food restaurants in Commiefornia

I was there too. My first car was a 1964 VW beetle purchased new for $1650.
 
fmw said:
I was there too. My first car was a 1964 VW beetle purchased new for $1650.
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In 1976, I bought a new '77 Camaro for $4900. It wasn't a stripper, either. It had a V8, automatic, rallye wheels, and the top of the line Delco radio of the time.
 
longview said:
If the increase the cost of labor, they make robots look at lot more attractive.
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Its still cheap labor either way. Mechanical automation tends to be very expensive, so labor has to be very expensive before it make sense. A franchise owner can't just drop millions on automation.
 
ALiberalModerate said:
Its still cheap labor either way. Mechanical automation tends to be very expensive, so labor has to be very expensive before it make sense. A franchise owner can't just drop millions on automation.
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If adding an employee at $22 per hour with benefits costs, say $60 k per year, the automation looks a lot better!
 
longview said:
If adding an employee at $22 per hour with benefits costs, say $60 k per year, the automation looks a lot better!
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We will see if anyone gets enough benefits to cost 60k a year. Moreover, a small percentage increase in the cost of a burger would make up the difference in paying someone a few dollars an hour more.
 
ALiberalModerate said:
We will see if anyone gets enough benefits to cost 60k a year. Moreover, a small percentage increase in the cost of a burger would make up the difference in paying someone a few dollars an hour more.
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We are not talking a few dollars more per hour, but an increase from ~$10/hour to $22 per hour, alone $44k.
 
longview said:
We are not talking a few dollars more per hour, but an increase from ~$10/hour to $22 per hour, alone $44k.
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How many people in a high income state like California do you think earn just $10 an hour? BTW, Chick-Fil-A takes better care of their workers than any fast food chain and also has the highest profit margin.
 
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ALiberalModerate said:
How many people in a high income state like California do you think earn just $10 an hour? BTW, Chick-Fil-A takes better care of their workers than any fast food chain and also has the highest profit margin.
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I suspect the average in California is higher but more like$11 to $12 an hour to start, still a vast difference to the proposed $22 an hour.
 
Having managed low producing fast food stores, I am certain that many will fold. Many will simply cut their hours to the most profitable times, such as lunch and/or dinner. I can get one worker in for food prep. Open 11 to 2 with 3 workers. Close the store until 5 and then get by with 3 until 8pm. Thats 3 workers getting 6 hours a day and one working 8.
 
longview said:
I suspect the average in California is higher but more like$11 to $12 an hour to start, still a vast difference to the proposed $22 an hour.
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It also depends on the area. In wealthy white Marin county, they start at $18. In Fresno, it's $12. The moralizers, however, believe that one size fits all, and then wonder why so many people are out of work in low income areas, or do not see any benefit from higher minimum wage.
 
mrjurrs said:
We're looking at you Walmart and McDonalds...

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Sure. Raise the mandated price floor on labor. As a fast food store owner, I would fire the marginal employees and only bring in the productive ones who are reliable, especially when I shorten the hours because some times of the day just aren't worth the idle labor.

Meanwhile, your single mom of three who takes a job to supplement her SNAP and welfare is goijg to get fired. She often needs schedule changes and misses shifts if her kid is sick. She is fine with working the slower hours and makes fewer mistakes when there isn't a rush.

But to you, that outrages your morals, so to assuage them, you will consign her to permanent unemployment.
 
That is a private business decision. Work less hours, make less money. If there is demand, someone else will open another option. Permanent unemployment at your business perhaps. You sound like someone that regrets having to increase your labor costs. I don't care, labor is clawing back their position in the profit equation.
 
I am fine with supply and demand. Forced labor cost mandates disemploy the marginalized. I also don't believe in using violence to enforce moral conformity.
 
Bleeding Head Ken said:
I am fine with supply and demand. Forced labor cost mandates disemploy the marginalized. I also don't believe in using violence to enforce moral conformity.
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So no wage is too minimum for you?
 
RF667799 said:
In 1976, I bought a new '77 Camaro for $4900. It wasn't a stripper, either. It had a V8, automatic, rallye wheels, and the top of the line Delco radio of the time.
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My 1976 Buick Special was $3300.
 
fmw said:
My 1976 Buick Special was $3300.
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That sounds like a deal.

When I bought that Camaro, I was 18 and had no experience with car dealers. I might have been reamed, for all I know. I was on the lot looking at the car, when the salesman came up and asked me if I liked it and did I want to come in his office and talk about it. Once in his office, he looked at a few papers, scribbled that price on a notepad, and shoved it across the desk to me.

"How's that look?" he asked. I said it looked good to me, and then I signed some papers.
 
"Commieformia"?
 
I have overpaid for cars a couple of times. I liked both of them, however.
 
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