Ok, now let's see what happens to fast food restaurants in Commiefornia

[NolanVoyd]

So the California Government is attempting to eliminate an entire industry in the name of helping the low end workers?

Nope. Poor logic on your part.

Perhaps it is just a way to increase the number of people who depend on government?

Ass backwards.

The point is to DECREASE the number of people who depend on government.

 

[longview]

Nope. Poor logic on your part.

Ass backwards.

The point is to DECREASE the number of people who depend on government.

If you remove the low rungs on the economic ladder, you will create more people who cannot reach the bottom rung!

 

[NolanVoyd]

If you remove the low rungs on the economic ladder, you will create more people who cannot reach the bottom rung!

Nobody is removing the low rungs on the ladder.

 

[RealityNow]

Employers don’t have the ability to control who gets elected to congress.



Nobody.



You seem to ignore the fact that the same people do not remain in those (same) entry level positions. About 1.5M people turn 18 annually. About 10K “boomers” are turning 65 daily (or 3.65M/year).



Can you supply some (linked) citation to support that (bolded above) assertion?

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Geez... Its people like you who continue to support people being fleeced of their labor for low pay. Goodness, thank goodness we have a younger generation that understand the value of people time and labor and are not caught up in the "inequity mentality taught to the older generation that were groomed and reared during the dominant system of segregationist ideology based inequity... Most of those older types, don't even realize... it was not just blacks that this inequity madness was designed to fleece them of their time and labor, it was and is still being done to poor whites as well.

All this craziness of people like you, trying to say what is and what is not important work, is purely INSIDIOUS. All Work is valuable, and it is the nature of All work that makes up what is the attributes in this society.

Who are you to say what is and what is not important work.

I bet you think Garbage Collectors should still be paid less, or that Janitors should be paid less. But, this society can't function without Garbage Collectors and Janitors... We've have disease everywhere, and no one will go to work in unclean work areas, or shop in unclean business establishment.

In Jim Crow Society they disrespected any type of work that was done by blacks and poor whites, because they once had it done by slaves... Fact is, that work is important, and this is not Jim Crow anymore.

Heck, Grass cutting was very low pay UNTIL white men began to see profit in cutting grass, and the price increased for lawn service..... as long as blacks and Mexican and Central American people cut grass, the prices was kept low. Now, that white men cut grass suddenly, no one is complaining about the cost of Lawn service.

Guranteed, the minute they improve the wage for Garbage Collection, white men will pursue those jobs and suddenly people won't complain about a good pay wage for garbage collections.

This craziness of trying to keep wages low for jobs that white men don't flock to... has to stop!!! ​

 

[longview]

Nobody is removing the low rungs on the ladder.

Usually, an employee has to have a value to a business of three times their costs.
If they do not the business will lose money for each hour they employ them.
When the government increased the minimum wage, businesses will be a lot more selective of who they hire.
They will be looking for people who do not need a lot of training, and can be of value to the company on day one.
This alone will leave lots of people who do not qualify.
Even Europe has an age and apprentice rates.

 

[fmw]

The government treats people differently all the time.

True and it is wrong.

Where are the states going to get the money?

Taxation. Federal government can stop taxing for social programs. The advantage of this to people is that every state has 49 competitors. Federal government has none. Nothing like competition to make things better.

 

[RealityNow]

I am still concerned that when the wage is set too high by fiat, Employers will want more experience from the people starting.
There is also the aspect of someone who has worked in a business for a decade, and is finally up to say $15 a hour,
and then everyone including the new hires are moved up to $22 and hour.
Does the person with a decade of experience deserve more than the new hires?

Unions already dealth with that.

They had implemented progressive wage structures for new hires, then after 6 months and after 1 yr, and after 2 yrs... to progressively move the new hires up to the Union Scale for Class and Craft.

• They also, stood in defense of Long Term Employees, by making sure they were not let go, for the sake of just filling all the slots with new hires at a lower wage...
• As people retired or additional help was needed, they brought in new people on the progressive Union wage programming.

I work in a place that has a "progressive structure' (its not Union, but it has the type of program that Union's had adopted in the Late 1980's and early 1990's. .... it has "Steps" 1-9... for each job classification type... called Pay Grade Scales. each scale has 1-9 progressive wage structure. these steps incorporate regard, for skills and experience, as well as exceptional ability, as to where a person is started on that scale.
Some people don't start at Step 0 some may be started at various points along that scape based on their skills and experience, or their exceptional ability.

 

[ASHES]

It's been over a week. Are there any McDonald's left in Cali?

 

[NolanVoyd]

Usually, an employee has to have a value to a business of three times their costs.
If they do not the business will lose money for each hour they employ them.
When the government increased the minimum wage, businesses will be a lot more selective of who they hire.
They will be looking for people who do not need a lot of training, and can be of value to the company on day one.
This alone will leave lots of people who do not qualify.
Even Europe has an age and apprentice rates.

They are already looking foe people who need the least training possible.

Obviously.

 

[longview]

They are already looking foe people who need the least training possible.

Obviously.

Or people who can operate the kiosks.

 

[RealityNow]

Usually, an employee has to have a value to a business of three times their costs.
If they do not the business will lose money for each hour they employ them.
When the government increased the minimum wage, businesses will be a lot more selective of who they hire.
They will be looking for people who do not need a lot of training, and can be of value to the company on day one.
This alone will leave lots of people who do not qualify.
Even Europe has an age and apprentice rates.

ANY Business can develop "Progressive Wage Scales" that moves forward as new inexperienced workers gain experience. It's not that complicated.

Maybe some people should go look at various business and look at the types of work around their job location, that is in need of labor. I see business that pile up junk around the building, and let clutter build up, because the core top scale workers are not assigned that work, That's reason and need for progressive scale work, where people learn and earn and as they learn they move up along the scale and can apply for opening as they arise in higher scape work, they have learned more about and understand better how to do it.

The general concept of "disrespect" for types of Jobs... has been something that has a terrible history behind it..... and that history included jobs that some white men would not do, and even some jobs that poor white men would not do.... That Ideology has to be banished from our society.

All work is necessary, which is why its called work.
_________________

 

[mrjurrs]

True and it is wrong.

Taxation. Federal government can stop taxing for social programs. The advantage of this to people is that every state has 49 competitors. Federal government has none. Nothing like competition to make things better.

You can't have it both ways. Fed govt would have one program, the states would have 50. You want the state to tax to pay for it? Some states don't tax enough to pay for what they already get from the feds.

 

[fmw]

I just looked and a Big Mac in Seattle is $6.39, where the minimum is $15 an hour.
Why a Big Mac costs more in Seattle than in Austin

In 1970 the Big Mac sold for 65 cents. This is the result of government spending money into existence.

 

[longview]

ANY Business can develop "Progressive Wage Scales" that moves forward as new inexperienced workers gain experience. It's not that complicated.

Maybe some people should go look at various business and look at the types of work around their job location, that is in need of labor. I see business that pile up junk around the building, and let clutter build up, because the core top scale workers are not assigned that work, That's reason and need for progressive scale work, where people learn and earn and as they learn they move up along the scale and can apply for opening as they arise in higher scape work, they have learned more about and understand better how to do it.

The general concept of "disrespect" for types of Jobs... has been something that has a terrible history behind it..... and that history included jobs that some white men would not do, and even some jobs that poor white men would not do.... That Ideology has to be banished from our society.

All work is necessary, which is why its called work.
_________________

Not if the law states otherwise, they can only set the minimum pay at what the law says is the minimum.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Geez... Its people like you who continue to support people being fleeced of their labor for low pay. Goodness, thank goodness we have a younger generation that understand the value of people time and labor and are not caught up in the "inequity mentality taught to the older generation that were groomed and reared during the dominant system of segregationist ideology based inequity... Most of those older types, don't even realize... it was not just blacks that this inequity madness was designed to fleece them of their time and labor, it was and is still being done to poor whites as well.

All this craziness of people like you, trying to say what is and what is not important work, is purely INSIDIOUS. All Work is valuable, and it is the nature of All work that makes up what is the attributes in this society.

Who are you to say what is and what is not important work.

I bet you think Garbage Collectors should still be paid less, or that Janitors should be paid less. But, this society can't function without Garbage Collectors and Janitors... We've have disease everywhere, and no one will go to work in unclean work areas, or shop in unclean business establishment.

In Jim Crow Society they disrespected any type of work that was done by blacks and poor whites, because they once had it done by slaves... Fact is, that work is important, and this is not Jim Crow anymore.

Heck, Grass cutting was very low pay UNTIL white men began to see profit in cutting grass, and the price increased for lawn service..... as long as blacks and Mexican and Central American people cut grass, the prices was kept low. Now, that white men cut grass suddenly, no one is complaining about the cost of Lawn service.

Guranteed, the minute they improve the wage for Garbage Collection, white men will pursue those jobs and suddenly people won't complain about a good pay wage for garbage collections.

This craziness of trying to keep wages low for jobs that white men don't flock to... has to stop!!! ​

What a load of garbage to avoid backing up your claim that 70% of Walmart employees are getting public assistance (aka welfare).

 

[RealityNow]

In 1970 the Big Mac sold for 65 cents. This is the result of government spending money into existence.

Next you'll say its just the progressive cost of goods.....

The government does not have a darn thing to do with McDonald's and their product pricing. You Anti Government Libertarians, try to blame the government for everything you don't like.

• Left up to you guys, you'd destroy the government, because that much of what Libertarianism is driven to do, among the many other things that it tries to diminish within a Regulatory Governing System of Representative Democracy.

 

[RealityNow]

Not if the law states otherwise, they can only set the minimum pay at what the law says is the minimum.

Geez.. the subject is about minimum wage and progressive wage, and improved minimum wage... so, logic of the flow of the thread says nothing about paying anyone less than minimum wage, nor does my comment reference paying anyone less than minimum wage.

My comment is about "progressive wage" that exceeds minimum wage.

When companies want to do longevity pay, the system of Union's also had that included in their pay structure. it was generally based on pennies, but no one stopped any company from making longevity pay, incriments based in nickles, dimes and quarters.... to reward long term employees, in relation to new hires.

 

[longview]

Geez.. the subject is about minimum wage and progressive wage, and improved minimum wage... so, logic of the flow of the thread says nothing about paying anyone less than minimum wage, nor does my comment reference paying anyone less than minimum wage.

My comment is about "progressive wage" that exceeds minimum wage.

When companies want to do longevity pay, the system of Union's also had that included in their pay structure. it was generally based on pennies, but no one stopped any company from making longevity pay, incriments based in nickles, dimes and quarters.... to reward long term employees, in relation to new hires.

When the market set the rate, it is different than when the government demands a minimum rate be paid.
In my area, the minimum is still about $8 per hour, but I think entry wages are between $10 and $15 dollars per hour.
This give employers the flexibility to train a person at a lower rate.

 

[RealityNow]

What a load of garbage to avoid backing up your claim that 70% of Walmart employees are getting public assistance (aka welfare).

Who are you talking to, I have not referenced Walmart

 

[ttwtt78640]

Who are you talking to, I have not referenced Walmart

You are correct, yet the post to which you replied did. It was another poster who made the (obviously false) claim that 70% of Walmart employees were receiving public assistance.

 

[Lursa]

Come to think of it, liberals hate fast food restaurants. It's greasy and corporate. So telling liberals, "look, you are gonna destroy the fast food market" is cheerleading for them.

Nooooooooooo! Nooooo! Think of the french fries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[fmw]

Next you'll say its just the progressive cost of goods.....

The government does not have a darn thing to do with McDonald's and their product pricing. You Anti Government Libertarians, try to blame the government for everything you don't like.

• Left up to you guys, you'd destroy the government, because that much of what Libertarianism is driven to do, among the many other things that it tries to diminish within a Regulatory Governing System of Representative Democracy.

No, the problem has been devaluation of the currency throughout my lifetime. My brand new 1964 VW beetle cost $1645. It has nothing to do with libertarianism. It is about government creating money from nothing. Doing that devalues the existing dollars. The dollar is worth less than 10% of what it was worth when I was born. Left up to you guys government would be so large that we would all choke on it.

 

[fmw]

You can't have it both ways. Fed govt would have one program, the states would have 50. You want the state to tax to pay for it? Some states don't tax enough to pay for what they already get from the feds.

Not at all. Federal government would have no social programs. You didn't read what I wrote. It should be illegal for federal government to send money to states unless it is buying something from them. It is the source of much corruption. Let us return to a union of states.

 

[ttwtt78640]

No, the problem has been devaluation of the currency throughout my lifetime. My brand new 1964 VW beetle cost $1645. It has nothing to do with libertarianism. It is about government creating money from nothing. Doing that devalues the existing dollars. The dollar is worth less than 10% of what it was worth when I was born. Left up to you guys government would be so large that we would all choke on it.

Yep, inflation sucks. Looked at another way, in 1964 that new car cost about 1,430 hours of labor at the federal MW (of $1.15/hour). At the current federal MW (of $7.25/hour), 1,430 hours of labor would get you about $10,368 - about half enough for a new (2022) VW beetle car purchase.

 

[mrjurrs]

Not at all. Federal government would have no social programs. You didn't read what I wrote. It should be illegal for federal government to send money to states unless it is buying something from them. It is the source of much corruption. Let us return to a union of states.

Like the Articles of Confederation?

Your desire to see the end of the American experiment is noted.