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Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

who cares, your opinions are insignificant

Suit yourself, I have plenty of amusement watching those that ignored peak oil for 40 years running around now whining about the price of gas. Happy motoring! :sun
 
Suit yourself, I have plenty of amusement watching those that ignored peak oil for 40 years running around now whining about the price of gas. Happy motoring! :sun

They'll enjoy the fruits of our hardwork when they can buy an electric vehicle for a reasonable price (especially with the tax credits being given out). You can get the Chevrolet Volt for $32,000 right now!
 
Government also gave us all of those piggy Hummers and GMC Yukon Denalis, since trucks and SUVs weren't considered "gas guzzlers" under federal law.

I am glad the Democrats put an end to that.
 
Suit yourself, I have plenty of amusement watching those that ignored peak oil for 40 years running around now whining about the price of gas. Happy motoring! :sun

Yet you have no problem with the programs that cause us to use more like ethanol and what has been done to big trucks
 
They'll enjoy the fruits of our hardwork when they can buy an electric vehicle for a reasonable price (especially with the tax credits being given out). You can get the Chevrolet Volt for $32,000 right now!

Electric cars will not sell until they become more affordable
 
Electric cars will not sell until they become more affordable

Well, thankfully to this nation, they are working on it. Production and research were forced and from this viable models were created. Now, the early adopters of the nation will begin to buy these cars. As this occurs, as Malcom Gladwell would point out, there will need to be a tipping point when a combination of mavens, early adopters, and necessity cause production to increase enough for economies of scale to take effect and production costs to decline.

Or, to make a long story short, the more people who buy it in the near future, the cheaper it will become.
 

You mean like hybrids whose sales still suck
 
You mean like hybrids whose sales still suck

When you consider that people are still buying SUV's I am not surprised. It is much like the frog in boiling water, some people need a smack in the face before they realize what trouble is headed their way. I think hybrids are around 3%. I did not get a hybrid, I opted for a 4-cyl turbo (I wanted the speed but not all the time).

Anyway, I don't know about you, but while I'd take a hybrid car, I'd love to have an electric one. Far less moving parts, lighter, cleaner, faster, etc. Sounds great to me. Oh and cheaper!
 

We are on our second hybrid car. We bought the first hybrid in this country, the Honda Insight. We loved that car, it was sporty, it would fly, and it got 70 MPG! Then grandchildren happened and we needed a 4-seater so we got a Prius. Not near as cool and sporty looking but the power is good and it gets 50 MPG.

Have you checked out the Tesla, Model S. I can't even think about their roadster model (because of the cost and our need for a 4-seater), but someday maybe the model S.

Model S | Tesla Motors
 

Fisker is getting ready to put out its first car, A full series hybrid. 4 doors and fast
 
Fisker is getting ready to put out its first car, A full series hybrid. 4 doors and fast

I had not heard of that one. I just checked it out online. Super sporty looking! The price is out of my league however, its $30,000 more than the $50,000 Tesla Model S. Very cool looking car though!
 
They'll enjoy the fruits of our hardwork when they can buy an electric vehicle for a reasonable price (especially with the tax credits being given out). You can get the Chevrolet Volt for $32,000 right now!

Reasonable would be $25K and no tax credits....
 

Consumer Reports: GM's Volt 'doesn't really make a lot of sense' | detnews.com | The Detroit News
 
Legally? you mean all those engineers out there drawing a paycheck are illegals?
What kind of engineer are you?

If they are working for the public and claim to be engineers, then yes they are illegal. If they work within a company, don't represent themselves as engineers to the public, and don't provide services requiring a PE stamp, then they can call themselves engineers.

If one of these "engineers" leaves the company and opens a business called "Nuclear Engineers of Arizona", then they are breaking the law. Of if that person puts an ad in the newspaper or yellow pages that says Utah Bill, Nuclear Engineer, then that person has broken the law and will be fined by the state.
 

That's great, glad you've been successful. But, if you advertise yourself as an engineer, you will be brought to court and fined by the state of Texas. Texas is particularly strict on that. A consultant was recently fined for using a stamp similar to an engineers or architect's stamp on a set of plans there.
 

I work for an engineering firm that does very specialized work. Within that specialty, I have a much narrower specialty and only 350 people in the U.S. and Canada have my credentials. I do not give out any personal information on here. It would be too easy to track me down and find out my real identity and address.

Besides, even if I wasn't who I said I was, it is easy to confirm what I stated:
Professional Engineer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

True, but an electric roller skate that will only go 40 miles on a charge is not suitable for the majority of drivers. Too little range and too little cargo/passenger space.
 
So what kind of engineering did you study in college? Or is that a giveaway as well? Tell the truth, you put down Carter's engineering skills because he is a democrat, since you have no way of knowing for yourself.
 
True, but an electric roller skate that will only go 40 miles on a charge is not suitable for the majority of drivers. Too little range and too little cargo/passenger space.

All the more reason for government to spend tons of money on "infrastructure" and install charging stations every 20 miles, or require alternative fuel engines running natural gas, ethanol or something else. With the eco-nazi's each deficiency is an opportunity.
 
Reasonable would be $25K and no tax credits....

That's true. We have to work our way there though. We need those early adopters to jump on the product and drive prices down a bit.


Aren't you one of those people in the other threads talking about deficit cuts so we can protect the future of this country? How the hell, with all the science out there, can you possibly be against energy efficiency and independence?

It flies against the face of all reasoning.
 
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