I believe in the old saying "Where there is a will - there is a way".anomaly said:To the capitalists, how do you propose to handle all these things sufficiently, especially with alternatve fuel possibilities looking grim?
http://www.kunstler.com/shuamort said:Well, my partner drives a Ford Taurus that uses multi-fuels. Regular unleaded and the non-pollution E85 (otherwise known as Ethanol 85).
Ethanol is a high octane, liquid, domestic and renewable fuel, produced by the fermentation of plant sugars. In the United States, ethanol is typically produced from corn and other grain products, although in the future it may be economically produced from other biomass resources such as agricultural and forestry wastes or specially grown energy crops.
E85 has an octane of approximately 105.
E85 sells for approximately the same price as unleaded gasoline.
Ethanol reduces the incidence of greenhouse gas emissions.
Ethanol is domestically produced and promotes energy independence.
Ethanol production increases the value of feed grains grown by farmers.
Ethanol is biodegradable and does not contaminate water.
Ethanol can be produced from a number of different feedstocks including paper and agricultural waste.
We hit the gas station yesterday and while the other people were filling up with regular unleaded 87 at $2.09 a gallon, we were filling up at $1.52.
It's not perfect, but all of the above things are much better!
I definitely don't think that we'll run out of oil any time soon, the main problem is the raising prices and how they'll affect us Americans, who use a Car everywhere we go.bellisaurius said:Actualy, the possibilties aren''t too grim, anomoly. We still have roughly a hundred more years of oil available (the easily accessible stuff), so there isn't an immediate issue.
Arch Enemy said:I definitely don't think that we'll run out of oil any time soon, the main problem is the raising prices and how they'll affect us Americans, who use a Car everywhere we go.
[/QUOTE]QUOTE=Arch Enemy]. Just look at Sweden.
Arch Enemy said:II think as new generations of people start realizing this ordeal for gas, the demand for hybrid cars will increase and it'll start to smooth out. The competition for hybrid cars will cause some nice low priced ones.
Good Lord I agree with Arch Enemy. Hell hath froze over.
As of yet, we really don't have enough technology to replace oil. Hydrogen fuel cells are too inefficient and bettery technology hasn't progressed much in the past 50 years, there's no reason to think it will progress enough in the future. Nuclear energy could replace some, but it's highly controversial. Parts of Europe seem to embrace wind power, but that only works for coastal regions. Right now, we need oil.matay_brit said:ok here we go. There obviously will be an oil crisis, and you could also guess that mankind won't bother to even think about it till to late. However the great thing about capitalism is that if you pay someone enough money they'll find a way round it. incentives to ingenuity sorta stuff. There will be a giant glitch but we've progressed enough in technology to counter the use of oil if we really wanted 2.
bellisaurius said:Actualy, the possibilties aren''t too grim, anomoly. We still have roughly a hundred more years of oil available (the easily accessible stuff), so there isn't an immediate issue.
Assuming science doesn't solve the problem in a hundred years, and come up with the next idea (PS: my guess for that idea would be solar power being used in electrolysis to make hydrogen, which would act as a "battery/power cell fuel" of sorts, thereby gaining the usefulness of gas, along with the availabilty of solar. Failing that, nuke power can perform the electrolytic action. BTW, currently most hydrogen is produced by snatching hydrogen off of fossil fuels. There much easier to remove than the ones attached in water), coal can be refined into fuel (as was done in germany when they lost the romanian oil fields). We have roughly 300 years of coal available, so that will bye that much more time. When that runs out, there is oil rich shale deposits (pricier to process than the coal, but hey, stop gap) which are essentially infinite to our energy uses.
All this is a bit pricier, but as long as enegy and manpower are available, its just a societal adjustment.
We've got E-85 here and it's about 25-30% off the current price of gas. Regular gas is running at about $2.00 with E-85 at $1.50.galenrox said:Yeah, we do it from corn here. It doesn't do that much though, since 85% ethanol still costs $2.25 a gallon.
galenrox said:Yeah, we do it from corn here. It doesn't do that much though, since 85% ethanol still costs $2.25 a gallon.
RomanianPride said:well when you think of it, usa is only looking in one direction, money, while they are looking for money they are loosing it all, and more than they have, so why not use all this good schooling they got to find a way around oil, like the electric car, because all a oil fight will do is cause war, and im 15 and i know better than Bush, oil is not the end of the world, ever think of it that way?
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