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Ohio's Issue 1 Soundly Rejected By Voters In Major Win For Abortion Rights

DarkWizard12 said:
It's a SENATE race. there are no districts in a SENATE race.

Are you talking about COUNTIES???

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: you REALLY paid attention in civics, didn't you? "senate race was gerrymandered" LOL WTFFF

Senate races are decided by purely popular vote of the whole state. In 2022, after RVW was overturned, The republican won by roughly similar margin as the No vote won here.
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There are two seperate senators .....you don't vote for both.
 
**** yeah! I was kinda pissed this was snuck in a special election as the promoters probably hoped we would all not make it but we rejected this.
 
I hope that in the actual reproductive rights referendum in November, 5-6 million people vote - like in a Presidential election !

This would mean the results are having 100% legitimacy if there's such a high turnout.
 
ClaraD said:
There are two seperate senators .....you don't vote for both.
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yes you do. You vote for one junior senator and one senior senator, statewide

learn. civics.​

 
Lisa said:
You win for the most screwed up claim today.

The voters didn't support overturning the Roe' decision. The states aren't acting on the will of the people, because we had to put it to the special vote because the GOP refused to listen to us and were attempting to make it harder for the voters.
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I made a pretty long walk to the polls for this and there was just one issue in the poll. These asshats sure are rude!
 
DarkWizard12 said:
women's rights to kill babies, indeed.
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Isn't it great living in a democracy where men get to make their own personal and private choices about the direction their life takes and then vote to restrict women's ability to direct their futures, vote against health care for women, against contraceptives, abortion, maternity leave, and choice for women. And women get to vote for all those things and tell conservative christian males that if they got pregnant they'd be sobbing uncontrollably to end the pregnancy that was going to end their chances for promotion, graduation, advancement out of poverty, pay raises, work dignity, and stop the sneers and slurs from fellow employees about your private sex life.

Is democracy great or what.
 
I wish we could have two separate conversations here. One about this cynical ploy by MAGA republicans to keep voters from voting successfully on the abortion issue. And another about what electoral standard should be applied to an initiative petitition to alter or add a state legislative statute, and what electoral standard should be applied to take things to another level and alter the state constitution.

I think those two standards should differ. it should be harder to alter the constitution, than it is to change a law. I wish it was harder in Oregon. There's a lot of crap that can end up littering the highest law of the state, that really should be statutory. It can be a real headache when we decide every nut and bolt, every micromanaged subsection of mangled boilerplate has to end up in the Constitution where it can't be changed no matter how foolish, without another statewide election. The law of unintended consequence is the single most prevalent law coming out of every session and nothing in those state voter initiatives is any cleaner without the benefit of legislative work sessions, public testimony and staff input to point out problems.
 
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DarkWizard12 said:
yes you do. You vote for one junior senator and one senior senator, statewide

learn. civics.​

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Nope...I sure didn't in South Carolina...it is rare they are voted for on the same ballot...you vote for one in one election and the other in another one...
 
weaver2 said:
Isn't it great living in a democracy where men get to make their own personal and private choices about the direction their life takes and then vote to restrict women's ability to direct their futures, vote against health care for women, against contraceptives, abortion, maternity leave, and choice for women. And women get to vote for all those things and tell conservative christian males that if they got pregnant they'd be sobbing uncontrollably to end the pregnancy that was going to end their chances for promotion, graduation, advancement out of poverty, pay raises, work dignity, and stop the sneers and slurs from fellow employees about your private sex life.

Is democracy great or what.
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in a democracy where only women have a right to kill babies, but not men. indeed, amazing.
 
ClaraD said:
we aren't calling him out due to his homosexuality...we are calling him out because he LIES about it...
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I dont particularly care if he lies about it or not. Maybe that should be the very bottom of concerns.
 
Lursa said:
So you're ok with women going to blue states for abortions right?
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what do you mean by ok with it? I don't think it's desirable, but i don't think it should be illegal.
 
So, Dobbs worked as designed.
 
btthegreat said:
I wish we could have two separate conversations here. One about this cynical ploy by MAGA republicans to keep voters from voting successfully on the abortion issue. And another about what electoral standard should be applied to an initiative petitition to alter or add a state legislative statute, and what electoral standard should be applied to take things to another level and alter the state constitution.

I think those two standards should differ. it should be harder to alter the constitution, than it is to change a law. I wish it was harder in Oregon. There's a lot of crap that can end up littering the highest law of the state, that really should be statutory. It can be a real headache when we decide every nut and bolt, every micromanaged subsection of mangled boilerplate has to end up in the Constitution where it can't be changed no matter how foolish, without another statewide election. The law of unintended consequence is the single most prevalent law coming out of every session.
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I see it exactly the same.

50%+ 1 vote shouldn't be enough to amend the constitution, but 55% or 60% - because it would show that such amendments were passed in a bi- or multipartisan way and therefore have consensus.

But this Republican-initiated measure was just not intended to be this way, it was a highly transparent move to game the system in their favour to keep reproductive rights out of the constitution and make future initiatives against their worldview harder. Therefore this referendum had to be rejected by voters !

On the other hand, if Republicans AND Democrats and Independents such as Greens and Libertarians in Ohio (in an independent Commission) agree to raise the threshold to 60% for a constitutional amendment, it can be voted on in a neutral way again ... without the Republican shenanigans in their favour.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
what do you mean by ok with it? I don't think it's desirable, but i don't think it should be illegal.
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OK, just wondering, since some GOP pols are floating tracking women going to other states.

And so you think TX is wrong to put bounties on people helping women go to other states for abortions? Since it's legal in other states?
 
ClaraD said:
So, you forgot about the 10 year old girl?
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The one that was raped by an illegal immigrant? yes, the US failed its responsibility to keep him out, and keep her safe.
 
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