Well, you haven't been supportive enough to stop those who push the bans, have you now?talloulou said:Well I find that insulting. I vote Republican and I wouldn't ban gay couples from adopting. I would choose married straight couples for child placement first because I believe having a male and female role model in the home is healthy and ideal. However if there are more children needing homes than there are hetero couples looking to adopt I see no problem with letting gay and lesbian families take in children.
I think they should be careful when they make their "tongue in cheek" jokes because they may be doing more harm then good and offending those who support their cause.
bnr65432 said:Funny, but it also proves a good p... so eloquently illustrated with your dribble.
steen said:Well, you haven't been supportive enough to stop those who push the bans, have you now?
talloulou said:What the hell do you know about what I've done and haven't done? And for your information I use to subscribe to Rosie O'Donnel's magazine back in the day....does that count???
Seriously though I would not vote on legislation to ban gay couples from adopting. I also speak out whenever I hear gay bashing of any type whether it be about adoption or something else.....So what's your point?
What REALLY divides us are the social conservatives who push laws like this to begin with, seeking to oppress others. Fighting back against such blatant bigotry is not divisive, it is self-defense againt the "culture war" whom the conservatives seem hellbend on pushing, leading to a "culture civil war." What else would conservatives expect? We would sit back and let fundies run roughshot over our lives with no comment because that would be "divisive"?Deegan said:I agree, this is just political posturing, and it does not help at all, in fact, it just divides us all further.
Then stop the wrongs being pushed by the conservatives.mpg said:Two wrongs don't make a right,
Of course it is. It is flagrant bigotry, it is hate mongering Civil War mongering.and that's assuming that it's wrong to prevent gays from adopting.
That you criticize the ones who objected to the bigotry to begin with.talloulou said:Seriously though I would not vote on legislation to ban gay couples from adopting. I also speak out whenever I hear gay bashing of any type whether it be about adoption or something else.....So what's your point?
steen said:Given that you attack those who object, I am frankly not so sure.
steen said:What REALLY divides us are the social conservatives who push laws like this to begin with, seeking to oppress others. Fighting back against such blatant bigotry is not divisive, it is self-defense againt the "culture war" whom the conservatives seem hellbend on pushing, leading to a "culture civil war." What else would conservatives expect? We would sit back and let fundies run roughshot over our lives with no comment because that would be "divisive"?
Until those looney hate mongers are marginalized, yes you are damn right we will be divided. As long as a group seeks to impose themselves into others lives, there will be division?
You want it to stop? Then sweep before your own door and marginalize these types instead of handing them the keys to your leadership council.
EXACTLY!!! Now why don't you do something to stop those in your party who are doing just that?talloulou said:I object to those who generalize and attack me though I have done no wrong.
Didn't you attack this guy for his law proposal?talloulou said:I don't attack those that object. I object to those who generalize and attack me though I have done no wrong.
It says about you that you spoke against those who support the democratic counter bill as being "divisive" while NOT speaking about what REALLY is divisive, namely the original GOP bill.Deegan said:While that was an impassioned speech, it says very little about me, conservatives, or even the religious right.
If they were a "very small minority" then they wouldn't have any legislative power. And we both know this is not the case.Those "Loony hate mongers" those are a very small minority,
And a bill that ban's homosexuals from adopting, that just makes everybody feeling warm and fuzzy and ready for a group hug, right?and it is indeed the leftist propaganda you spew forth, that keeps us rational people apart.
So, could you please tell em what minority pushed this bill to prohibit gay adoption? What tiny minority is it that can push such a bill within your party? I think you have simply blinded yourself against the reality of how truly powerful these divisive and hate mongering types are. You have been so blinded that you instead speak up against those who object to this attack from the right wing culture warriors.I refuse to allow it, I will not allow you to pigeon hole me in to some kind of blind, partisan, irrational religious sect, or part of the tiny minority of conservative Republicans that follow a Pat Roberts....
Everybody have the power to affect their own political party. Certainly, when you do NOT speak up against such bigotry as is in the anti-gay law, you are letting them do just that in your name. And when you then attack those who object instead, then you are at least publicly throwing your lot with these radicals. "My party right or wrong" doesn't give you much credibility as a crusader for civil rights and liberty.Neither of us have the power to hand anyone, any keys, so let's not pretend the other does not know how ridiculous that argument is.
Not in this case. though.I prove myself here daily, and I have always spoken out about extremists from both sides,
I always go in action where the bullies attack the persecuted. Where did I miss doing that?I have yet to see your broom in action, perhaps I missed it?:roll:
steen said:Didn't you attack this guy for his law proposal?
Befuddled_Stoner said:If you are offended by Hagan’s bill, I think you need to take a long hard look at your feelings of offense. Seriously, you need to contemplate how and why you feel so indignant about being singled out for this discrimination.
steen said:It says about you that you spoke against those who support the democratic counter bill as being "divisive" while NOT speaking about what REALLY is divisive, namely the original GOP bill.
If they were a "very small minority" then they wouldn't have any legislative power. And we both know this is not the case.
And a bill that ban's homosexuals from adopting, that just makes everybody feeling warm and fuzzy and ready for a group hug, right?
You chose to NOT speak out against the GOP bill, but instead spoke out against those who did not take it lying down, calling us "divisive." YOUR party is doing the division here.
So, could you please tell em what minority pushed this bill to prohibit gay adoption? What tiny minority is it that can push such a bill within your party? I think you have simply blinded yourself against the reality of how truly powerful these divisive and hate mongering types are. You have been so blinded that you instead speak up against those who object to this attack from the right wing culture warriors.
But as I said, as long as these types persist in threatening others freedom, the climate will be divisive. If you don't like my tone, perhaps you should have looked at why I am posting about these things, at what the party does in your name.
Everybody have the power to affect their own political party. Certainly, when you do NOT speak up against such bigotry as is in the anti-gay law, you are letting them do just that in your name. And when you then attack those who object instead, then you are at least publicly throwing your lot with these radicals. "My party right or wrong" doesn't give you much credibility as a crusader for civil rights and liberty.
Not in this case. though.
I always go in action where the bullies attack the persecuted. Where did I miss doing that?
hipsterdufus said:This tongue in cheek bill helps point out the ludicrous nature of the wedge issues that the GOP uses as their main strategy to divide and conquer, and to bring the bigoted, homophobic members of their party to the polls.
The sad thing is that it has worked...
Deegan said:You obviously have more talent for theatrics, and empty verbiage, then you have for the inner workings of the Congress. This is one law maker, from one state, representing one district. His proposal is obviously a reflection of his tiny district, and this is far from a "GOP" problem, this is an American problem. As I said before, this is just designed to divide us further, and neither proposal stands a chance at becoming law, it's a waste of taxpayers time. You would like to turn this in to a much bigger issue then it is, that's your right, but It will not stop me from pointing out the obvious, this congressmen does not speak for all Republicans. You only need to look at the polls on this very issue, and on this very forum, to see that this is not how the majority of Republicans feel about homosexuals being allowed to adopt. You would think you would at least do your homework, before making yourself look ridiculous here. If you did bother to research this issue, you would even have found that I am in favor of allowing gays to adopt, and have made that clear, thus doing my part.
So please, in the future, try and choose your battles more carefully, you could end up arguing with someone who agrees with you, and that's never very attractive, not to mention intelligent.
Ah, talking to the mirror, eh?Deegan said:You obviously have more talent for theatrics, and empty verbiage, then you have for the inner workings of the Congress.
This is one of the big fund raising issues in any branch of the GOP. Your denial is ludicrous.This is one law maker, from one state, representing one district. His proposal is obviously a reflection of his tiny district, and this is far from a "GOP" problem, this is an American problem.
Just like the homophobic hate mongering of the GOP. What, you didn't think the "culture war" would be divisive?As I said before, this is just designed to divide us further, and neither proposal stands a chance at becoming law, it's a waste of taxpayers time.
Funny how the very real observation that anything coming out of the republican party with regard to homosexuals is about restriction and persecution. You are full of it. Frankly, I see you are spouting denial of a very real problem that you obviously have decided to not acknowledge even though it is right under your own nose.You would like to turn this in to a much bigger issue then it is, that's your right, but It will not stop me from pointing out the obvious, this congressmen does not speak for all Republicans.
So where is the republican bill pushing for this to be allowed, particularly in light of activist judges like the one with the Ten Commandments deal (forgot his name) who took away kids from a lesbian mother.You only need to look at the polls on this very issue, and on this very forum, to see that this is not how the majority of Republicans feel about homosexuals being allowed to adopt.
Ah, so you and that big majority of GOP who are not homophobic, they have shut down this minority's ability to pander to hate and bigotry, right?You would think you would at least do your homework, before making yourself look ridiculous here. If you did bother to research this issue, you would even have found that I am in favor of allowing gays to adopt, and have made that clear, thus doing my part.
Your denial is not my problem. If you agree with me and is in a position to do something about a problem, then I most certainly will call you on it if you deny the problem.So please, in the future, try and choose your battles more carefully, you could end up arguing with someone who agrees with you, and that's never very attractive, not to mention intelligent.
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