Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal vote

[Samhain]

Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal ballots

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted announced an investigation has uncovered that hundreds of non-US citizens are registered to vote in the state, and dozens of them voted illegally.

According to a release from Husted, 385 people who are not citizens of the United States are registered to vote in Ohio. Out of those, 82 voted in at least one election in the last year.

And Husted admits there are likely other non-citizens registered to vote in Ohio but are not in the BMV’s system.

Not sure why our voting registration process runs on the honor system, but clearly it needs to change.

 

[j-mac]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal ballots



Not sure why our voting registration process runs on the honor system, but clearly it needs to change.

This will be dismissed as insignificant by progressive liberals whom most likely are behind registering them....I tell ya, it won't be a problem until numbers are shown to have actually tilted an election, then the answer will be "eh, what cha gonna do? :shrug:"

 

[PeteEU]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal ballots



Not sure why our voting registration process runs on the honor system, but clearly it needs to change.

Because the conservatives consistently have used voter ID legislation to disenfranchise people that usually dont vote for the GOP. As long as that does not change, then I doubt the Democrats will want to change the current system.

What there should be is a national voter ID with a picture, that can be gotten for free at any government office. It is simple no?

 

[joG]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal ballots



Not sure why our voting registration process runs on the honor system, but clearly it needs to change.

The honor system is bad in a gentlemen's club. In a voting process ....

 

[Cigar]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

Who's in charge ... start there and work your way down.

 

[WCH]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

Justice Department shifts course in closely watched Texas voter ID case - LA Times

HaHa!

 

[Gill]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

Because the conservatives consistently have used voter ID legislation to disenfranchise people that usually dont vote for the GOP. As long as that does not change, then I doubt the Democrats will want to change the current system.

What there should be is a national voter ID with a picture, that can be gotten for free at any government office. It is simple no?

Most states that require voter ID with a photo already give one away free to anyone that asks.

 

[WCH]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

Because the conservatives consistently have used voter ID legislation to disenfranchise people that usually dont vote for the GOP. As long as that does not change, then I doubt the Democrats will want to change the current system.

What there should be is a national voter ID with a picture, that can be gotten for free at any government office. It is simple no?

Texas offers a valid ID for free.

VoteTexas.gov » Need ID?

 

[Visbek]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

This will be dismissed as insignificant by progressive liberals whom most likely are behind registering them....

:roll:

5,536,528 Ohioans voted in the 2016 election.

82 illegal votes is 0.00149% of the total number of voters.

There should be no question that terms like "rare" and "insignificant" properly describe this situation, and that steps which disenfranchise voters -- particularly poor voters -- are not a proportionate or valid response.

By the way, are you equally outraged over potential Russian interference in the US election? Although they did not directly manipulate voting machines, their actions probably influenced more than 90 Ohioans' votes.....

 

[bubbabgone]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

:roll:

5,536,528 Ohioans voted in the 2016 election.

82 illegal votes is 0.00149% of the total number of voters.

There should be no question that terms like "rare" and "insignificant" properly describe this situation, and that steps which disenfranchise voters -- particularly poor voters -- are not a proportionate or valid response.

By the way, are you equally outraged over potential Russian interference in the US election? Although they did not directly manipulate voting machines, their actions probably influenced more than 90 Ohioans' votes.....

Okay. It's rare in Ohio.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal ballots



Not sure why our voting registration process runs on the honor system, but clearly it needs to change.

Certainly should police our system the best we can. At the same accord, 82 isn't really influencing anything. On some level it's reassuring that it's so low.

 

[Napoleon]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

:roll:

5,536,528 Ohioans voted in the 2016 election.

82 illegal votes is 0.00149% of the total number of voters.

There should be no question that terms like "rare" and "insignificant" properly describe this situation, and that steps which disenfranchise voters -- particularly poor voters -- are not a proportionate or valid response.

By the way, are you equally outraged over potential Russian interference in the US election? Although they did not directly manipulate voting machines, their actions probably influenced more than 90 Ohioans' votes.....

We don't even know if it was in the national election. It could have been local elections or ballot initiatives.

 

[ajn678]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

Because the conservatives consistently have used voter ID legislation to disenfranchise people that usually dont vote for the GOP. As long as that does not change, then I doubt the Democrats will want to change the current system.

What there should be is a national voter ID with a picture, that can be gotten for free at any government office. It is simple no?

This already happens in NY. If you make under a certain amount(poverty levels) they wave the 8 or whatever dollars a state ID costs. Its not a reasonable excuse. You simply are afraid a large percentage of the Democrat voting base will simply not vote, instead of taking the hour out of their day to get an ID.

 

[Napoleon]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

This already happens in NY. If you make under a certain amount(poverty levels) they wave the 8 or whatever dollars a state ID costs. Its not a reasonable excuse. You simply are afraid a large percentage of the Democrat voting base will simply not vote, instead of taking the hour out of their day to get an ID.

It isn't reasonable to place any burden on 139 million people because 82 people cast a ballot in Ohio.

 

[j-mac]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

:roll:

5,536,528 Ohioans voted in the 2016 election.

82 illegal votes is 0.00149% of the total number of voters.

There should be no question that terms like "rare" and "insignificant" properly describe this situation, and that steps which disenfranchise voters -- particularly poor voters -- are not a proportionate or valid response.

By the way, are you equally outraged over potential Russian interference in the US election? Although they did not directly manipulate voting machines, their actions probably influenced more than 90 Ohioans' votes.....

Thank you You prove my point here...:coffeepap:

 

[Napoleon]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

Thank you You prove my point here...:coffeepap:

You have no point. You haven't demonstrated why anyone should be concerned about this.

 

[ajn678]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

It isn't reasonable to place any burden on 189 million people because 82 people cast a ballot in Ohio.

A single illegal vote makes it reasonable. Not only do you need an ID to own a gun, to drive, to purchase material that is gated by age, you really need an ID to be a functional member of society. If that is too much to ask, then I have no problem with someone not being able to vote.

 

[Napoleon]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

A single illegal vote makes it reasonable. Not only do you need an ID to own a gun, to drive, to purchase material that is gated by age, you really need an ID to be a functional member of society. If that is too much to ask, then I have no problem with someone not being able to vote.

It doesn't make it reasonable. 1 vote doesn't change the outcome of an election in which 139 million people are eligible to cast ballots and the outcome isn't even determined by a popular vote.

 

[ajn678]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

It doesn't make it reasonable. 1 vote doesn't change the outcome of an election in which 139 million people are eligible to cast ballots and the outcome isn't even determined by a popular vote.

It doesn't matter if it doesn't change the outcome. It matters that it clearly happens, so we should apply a reasonable requirement to make it harder to break the law.

 

[prometeus]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

A single illegal vote makes it reasonable. Not only do you need an ID to own a gun, to drive, to purchase material that is gated by age, you really need an ID to be a functional member of society. If that is too much to ask, then I have no problem with someone not being able to vote.

That would be a valid argument if under age drinking, driving without a license, under age tobacco purchases did not happen etc. Expecting a system to be perfect is simply not reasonable nor practically attainable. Measures to improve it certainly are welcomed but only to the extent that the cost of their implementation is warranted and clearly the extent shown here does not. It is not even statistically significant, much less to be even a minor factor in outcomes.

 

[j-mac]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

You have no point. You haven't demonstrated why anyone should be concerned about this.

It's not up to me to prove or disprove....It's not my thread.....lol...

 

[Nilly]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal ballots

Not sure why our voting registration process runs on the honor system, but clearly it needs to change.

So you would implement an expensive inconvenient voter system....

to weed out 82 votes.

Methinks that your efforts and money would be better spent elsewhere.

 

[Visbek]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

A single illegal vote makes it reasonable. Not only do you need an ID to own a gun, to drive, to purchase material that is gated by age, you really need an ID to be a functional member of society. If that is too much to ask, then I have no problem with someone not being able to vote.

It's physically possible to drive without a license. I haven't had a police officer ask to see my license in at least 15 years. We don't install government-mandated Internet-connected retina scanners in cars to turn on the engine.

It's possible to purchase a gun without an ID. In case you missed it, private sales are very lightly regulated. Needless to say, quite a few people object to the idea of any government tightly supervising every single serial number, and every single transfer of firearms, because some guns are used in crimes.

It's entirely possible for a 16 year old to purchase cigarettes or alcohol without ID. They might get caught, but the idea that those laws are enforced more than 99.99851% of the time is mildly amusing.

Millions of Americans do seem to get along just fine without a state ID. It's certainly more than 0.0014% of voters who are getting disenfranchised.

All that being said, I'd have fewer objections to ID requirements if the states were willing to make it easy to get an ID and to vote. That's a workable compromise. Instead, the states and politicians who scream about voter fraud are blissfully unconcerned about access, or increasing voter participation rates. They pass onerous laws that are practically designed to make it difficult to get an ID; they restrict hours for citizens; they cut down on early voting hours; the list goes on.

 

[Year Zero]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

:roll:

5,536,528 Ohioans voted in the 2016 election.

82 illegal votes is 0.00149% of the total number of voters.

There should be no question that terms like "rare" and "insignificant" properly describe this situation, and that steps which disenfranchise voters -- particularly poor voters -- are not a proportionate or valid response.

By the way, are you equally outraged over potential Russian interference in the US election? Although they did not directly manipulate voting machines, their actions probably influenced more than 90 Ohioans' votes.....

And then there is the fact that this loophole can be exploited by Trump voters just as easily as Clinton voters. That's the thing that always bugged me about Trump's claim that there were 3 million illegal voters... and they ALL voted for one candidate. That would be the biggest conspiracy in the history of the human kind. Just imagine the level of organization it would take.

All of that being said, I don't disagree with the point that even this tiny loophole should be closed. The tricky part is to do it without putting poor voters at a disadvantage.

 

[Renae]

Re: Ohio investigation found 385 non-US citizens registered to vote, 82 cast illegal

Because the conservatives consistently have used voter ID legislation to disenfranchise people that usually dont vote for the GOP. As long as that does not change, then I doubt the Democrats will want to change the current system.

What there should be is a national voter ID with a picture, that can be gotten for free at any government office. It is simple no?

The old soft racism of "Minorities aren't capable of getting something like "an ID"... Funny how the VERY long list of things you NEED an ID for are ignored, it's just voting that matters right?