Ohio experiencing record droughts.

[bomberfox]

Watch the movie Don’t Look Up. Then try and figure out what if anything was wrong with the story.

I’d prefer living. I already ****ing saw it.

 

[Felis Leo]

My friend. Everyone dies. I will. You will. My wife did. Nobody makes it out of this life alive.

Optimism is considered a positive outlook. But it has a flaw. Nothing is ever going to work out as well as you hope. Pessimism is seen as negative. But if you go into a project or task expecting things to go wrong you won’t be discouraged when things do go wrong.

If you really want to do something. Address a problem. The first thing you have to do is have a realistic idea of what hurdles you will face. I might be too pessimistic. It is certainly a possibility. But my assessment of mankind is accurate. So how do you overcome that resistance that I have outlined?

Tell you what. Watch the movie Don’t Look Up. Then look at the problems you see and ask yourself what are the realistic challenges you will face trying to address them.

Goodness, if we listened to men like you (and there have always been men like you) we would still have slaves, women wouldn't be allowed to vote and could still be raped by their husbands.

Forward progress is always a possibility. In the United States case, all it takes is for enough grass-roots mobilization, taking the Senate and expanding the Supreme Court. Tall orders, but well within the realm of possibility.

Once the Supreme Court is expanded and the corrupt Federalist Society plants are pushed aside in favor of judges who do not feel the need to act as a Guardian Council, actual legislation can be passed by our Legislators.

 

[Luce]

How many wind farms are upstream of the normal winds? Wind farms will change the wind patterns.

There really aren't any words, here.

Holy shit.

 

[Allan]

There really aren't any words, here.

Holy shit.

I know where that should be reposted.

 

[Luce]

I know where that should be reposted.

I think it's perfect right here.

I damn near shat myself laughing.

 

[Felis Leo]

There really aren't any words, here.

Holy shit.

 

[Felis Leo]

I think it's perfect right here.

I damn near shat myself laughing.

Have you ever considered that the force of all those windmills turning at once has been blowing us closer to the sun and that is the cause for global warming, hmmmm???

 

[Luce]

Have you ever considered that the force of all those windmills turning at once has been blowing us closer to the sun and that is the cause for global warming, hmmmm???

I don't know. I can't think with all this windmill cancer.

 

[ElChupacabra]

I think it's perfect right here.

I damn near shat myself laughing.

This is what makes it easy for certain people to say things like one can get electrocuted by a sinking electric boat and have it be perfectly believable.

 

[Luce]

This is what makes it easy for certain people to say things like one can get electrocuted by a sinking electric boat and have it be perfectly believable.

THERE'S A SHARK JUST TEN YARDS AWAY!

 

[Lord of Planar]

It wouldn't matter if I did. You would just deny the HUNDREDS OF BILLION$ it already costs in flood and drought damage, that will eventually be offset by having a very doable national water infrastructure.

Are you projecting on me?

If you could show it can be done, and show the costs. I would weigh the factors. I agree such a project can be done, but such things only work well when level or downhill for moving the water. Start moving a large volume of water to a greater altitude, and amount you would likely need to measure the power needed in gigawatts.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Can you say population growth means more water needs?

Most water is used for agriculture and of that, roughly 40% is used for ethanol crops.

Droughts don’t just impact people, they stress wildlife, forests, grasslands, as well as rivers, lakes and streams.

 

[Lord of Planar]

When republicans learn that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure we can stop this.

You are wrong. The focus has become on CO2 gas and there are at least two larger problems we are responsible for that should be addressed first. Money need to be spent on stopping actual pollution so the pollutants in the atmosphere stop melting the ice. The way we alter the land needs to be changed as well. We need to return vast amounts of green spaces in the cities. I would suggest when we tear down and rebuild, we spread out farther but replace demolished building to vegetation of some type. make the cities at least 2/3rds green spaces.

 

[Lord of Planar]

When was the last time we dedicated the will of the Nation to a long term goal?

Fixed:

When was the last time we dedicated the will of the Nation world to a long term goal?

It will not work any other way, and again. CO2 is not the boogyman. Pollution is the worse of our problems.

 

[Peter]

Have you ever considered that the force of all those windmills turning at once has been blowing us closer to the sun and that is the cause for global warming, hmmmm???

You make a persuasive argument.
Maybe we can rectify the problem with a giant rocket in space to drag the planet away again?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

My friend. Everyone dies. I will. You will. My wife did. Nobody makes it out of this life alive.

Optimism is considered a positive outlook. But it has a flaw. Nothing is ever going to work out as well as you hope. Pessimism is seen as negative. But if you go into a project or task expecting things to go wrong you won’t be discouraged when things do go wrong.

If you really want to do something. Address a problem. The first thing you have to do is have a realistic idea of what hurdles you will face. I might be too pessimistic. It is certainly a possibility. But my assessment of mankind is accurate. So how do you overcome that resistance that I have outlined?

Tell you what. Watch the movie Don’t Look Up. Then look at the problems you see and ask yourself what are the realistic challenges you will face trying to address them.

Most innovators and problem solvers are optimists due to their resilience and determination. While optimists can at times be unrealistic with timelines and projected difficulties, pessimists often are paralyzed with doubt and can be far too deliberative because the driver of pessimism is often anxiety and or a lack of self confidence.

 

[Lord of Planar]

How many wind farms are upstream of the normal winds? Wind farms will change the wind patterns.

There really aren't any words, here.

Holy shit.

I stated that wrong. I must of started correcting and got interrupted.

I meant to say something like "How many wind farms are upstream of the dry areas? Wind farms will change the wind patterns."

 

[ALiberalModerate]

I stated that wrong. I must of started correcting and got interrupted.

I meant to say something like "How many wind farms are upstream of the dry areas? Wind farms will change the wind patterns."

They change very localized wind patterns near the surface. They don’t change the path of jet streams or high and low pressure systems.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Here is one of many papers:

Wind power can impact the climate by altering the atmospheric boundary layer, with at least 40 papers and 10 observational studies now linking wind power to climatic impacts. We make the first comparison between the climatic impacts of large-scale wind power and site-scale observations, finding agreement that warming from wind turbines is largest at night. Wind power's climatic impacts will continue to expand as more are installed.​

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Do these impacts matter? How do these impacts compare to the climate benefits of reducing emissions? We offer policy-relevant comparisons: wind's climatic impacts are about 10 times larger than solar photovoltaic systems per unit energy generated. We explore the temporal trade-off between wind's climatic impacts and the climate benefits it brings by reducing emissions as it displaces fossil fuels. Quantitative comparisons between low-carbon energy sources should inform energy choices in the transition to a carbon-free energy system.​

https://www.cell.com/joule/fulltext/S2542-4351(18)30446-X

 

[Lord of Planar]

Do you think changing the atmosphere like this is good?



Here is an explanation of the study in my previous post:

The 2018 study found that wind turbines cause significant local increases in surface temperatures in the areas where they are located. Wind turbines cause local temperature increases at the surface of the earth by causing air to mix throughout portions of the atmosphere, and Minnesota would be one of the states impacted most by this phenomenon.​

Do Wind Turbines Add To Global Warming?

Wind energy facilities have grown in popularity as one method to reduce fossil fuel use, but does extracting energy from the wind, actually cause the planet to gain warmth?

energycentral.com

 

[Lord of Planar]

I don't know. I can't think with all this windmill cancer.

This may be no joke. Have you ever seen eroded blades that are frequently replaced at high costs?



Now imagine living downwind of a wind farm. and breathing the carcinogenic aerosols that come off these blades.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Most water is used for agriculture and of that, roughly 40% is used for ethanol crops.

Droughts don’t just impact people, they stress wildlife, forests, grasslands, as well as rivers, lakes and streams.

That is another thing. We need to stop this ethanol mandate.

 

[Lord of Planar]

They change very localized wind patterns near the surface. They don’t change the path of jet streams or high and low pressure systems.

Probably not, but these lower winds have a large impact.

 

[MamboDervish]

Are you projecting on me?

? Probably. Call it an impression I get from your challenge.

If you could show it can be done, and show the costs. I would weigh the factors. I agree such a project can be done, but such things only work well when level or downhill for moving the water. Start moving a large volume of water to a greater altitude, and amount you would likely need to measure the power needed in gigawatts.

Funny you should say that. Have you ever heard of a pump storage hydro plant? I bet you would find it very interesting. I worked on one up in Blenheim New York about 25+ years ago, and I was offered a job on the Taum Sauk Reservoir rebuild around 2008-2009. But as a New Yorker, I couldn't imagine myself being comfortable in rural Missouri for several years.

But back to my proposal, the point is, it doesn't matter how much power is used at the point where the entire matrix of pipes is filled with water. All that matters is the cost the purchaser is willing to bear for the use of that water. And the purchaser could be the State that wants to keep its reservoirs full in a time of drought, just as one example.

If you're a farmer who hasn't had a drop of rain in July, and half of August, what are you willing to pay to not lose an entire year's worth of crops? That's the only question. And the cost of pumping is ubiquitous. It costs you to pump from the well or the aquifer, too. It can also cost you to pump from the rivers or reservoirs, depending on the distance and elevation. The only issue is whether or not there is water available, and in a drought, there may not be. UNLESS you have a national water infrastructure in place that can keep it at hand, when and where it's needed. That's the idea!

You have mistaken impressions about what I'm advocating, and I'm not sure there are enough hours in my life to explain it to you. But if I had to guess, I'd suspect that, if it were 70 years ago, you would object to the building of the Interstate Highway system, because you'd insist on knowing how many billion$ it will cost to build, and try to compare that against having no concept whatsoever about how those roads will be serving the country today. Am I projecting?

 

[Lord of Planar]

? Probably. Call it an impression I get from your challenge.


Funny you should say that. Have you ever heard of a pump storage hydro plant? I bet you would find it very interesting. I worked on one up in Blenheim New York about 25+ years ago, and I was offered a job on the Taum Sauk Reservoir rebuild around 2008-2009. But as a New Yorker, I couldn't imagine myself being comfortable in rural Missouri for several years.

I understand the concept, and have nothing against them. There are just limited locations that they can have any large scale applications.

But back to my proposal, the point is, it doesn't matter how much power is used at the point where the entire matrix of pipes is filled with water. All that matters is the cost the purchaser is willing to bear for the use of that water. And the purchaser could be the State that wants to keep its reservoirs full in a time of drought, just as one example.

The purchaser would need to be the people of the region, and how much more does it make their water cost?

The cost and logistics needs to be considered. You seem to be all talk, and not addressing what is important.