Skeptic Bob
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i'd check the competency of those that cleared him if he's had problems in the past.
I go out for a beer or stop off at my favorite pub often. I can get killed just as dead drivng on California roads.Who is to say the man was from CA, or were he acquired the weapon. I will hold off until the facts are out. My thoughts go out to the folks in the club, damn you cant even go for a beer safely, its a sad reflection of our society.
My point is that there is something wrong with this country culturally. There is something hard wired into our DNA that is absent in other western countries. We have unhealthy obsession with firearms.
we have NO idea what sort of mental state the man was in when he was interviewed and evaluated. He well could have deteriorated in the last several months.
Gun banner tactic #2-appeal to emotion and ignore logic
Yeah, over the last year or two, we've had a couple of incidents where the shooter gets into a fight or argument, leaves the bar, goes out to his car and comes back in shooting.
So, it's six of one, half-dozen of the other. Is it better to allow gun carry into drinking establishments or to prohibit it? Arguments can be made both ways.
true and it doesn't mean a brilliant Gay either!
Most Americans stand in support of the victims...Not the NRA Gun nuts and their paranoid rants about "gun grabbers"
No it can't. Allowing the bringing guns into places where people are freakin' drunk? That's just freakin' nuts.
And, of course, those wiley criminals will follow those national gun laws.you might have to have nation wide gun control laws or those wiley criminals may just ship them over state borders on the other hand maybe this guy legally owned his weapons under the strictest of standards any way
Ian David Long
WHITE MALE
FROM NEWBURY PARK, CA
VETERAN USMC WITH PTSD
DOB 3-27-1990 AGE 28
GUN: .45 CAL GLOCK 21
MINOR POLICE RECORD OF BATTERY, DISTURBANCE, TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS,...
CLEARED BY MENTAL HEALTH AFTER EVALUATION...
NEGATIVE 51-50
https://twitter.com/The_News_UNIT
Yeah, but didn't he make his anti-Semitic view known for quite a while before the shooting? I don't think the LV shooter filled social media with his dislike of country music.Eh. Maybe the synagogue shooter was 'just looking for crowds' too.
What are we gonna say was the miss? I see two choices:
1. Mental healthcare.
2. Gun laws.
If you see a third option, let me know. I'm going with mental healthcare improvements and that might include additional education and training for cops dealing with field psychological evaluations. And, after field cops take a look, lets improve education and training for the cops and other professionals that take it from there.
Most Americans stand in support of the victims...Not the NRA Gun nuts and their paranoid rants about "gun grabbers"
its allowed in Ohio if you aren't drinking. If you are packing and drinking-you are at-a minimum-going to lose your CCW permit. If you are drunk-that's a felony
I don't think anyone would have a problem with your suggestion.
He apparently changed his appearance by the time of the shooting. At least one eye-witness inside the bar described Ian Long as a tall white male dressed in all black, bearded and wearing glasses.
Everything so far about this incident smells of a young man, maybe an incel, inflicted with PTSD-like mental illness. Nothing points to political animus.
In Texas, they go by the 51% rule. If an establishment makes 51% or more of it's earnings from alcohol, then they are required to put up a 51% sign at the entrance. Anybody, other than law enforcement, who enters while carrying a gun, commits a felony, punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
My point is that there is something wrong with this country culturally. There is something hard wired into our DNA that is absent in other western countries. We have unhealthy obsession with firearms.
I don't think anyone would have a problem with your suggestion.
Those addicted to firearms purchase firearms like they're merit badges. They are accumulating small arms less out of devotion to hunting or defense, but rather because the process is some sort of cultural signifier. At best, purchasing a firearm is a way to buy membership in “real America.” At worst, purchasing a firearm is yet another way to “own the libs.”I guess we'll just have to disagree on that, for the most part.
IMO...and there's evidence in the data...that this is a subset of disenfranchised men that blame everyone else for their failures and problems that we...our culture as you write...are creating and we need to learn to identify and track and help or stop them from harming others.
I believe the bold is where we have common ground.
Yeah, better to leave them out in the parking lot so there can only ever be ONE gun doing the shooting in a crowded bar. :roll:No it can't. Allowing the bringing of guns into places where people are freakin' drunk? That's just freakin' nuts.
California has all this. Why didn't it stop this shooting in California?
Those addicted to firearms purchase firearms like they're merit badges. They are accumulating small arms less out of devotion to hunting or defense, but rather because the process is some sort of cultural signifier. At best, purchasing a firearm is a way to buy membership in “real America.” At worst, purchasing a firearm is yet another way to “own the libs.”
Those addicted to firearms purchase firearms like they're merit badges. They are accumulating small arms less out of devotion to hunting or defense, but rather because the process is some sort of cultural signifier. At best, purchasing a firearm is a way to buy membership in “real America.” At worst, purchasing a firearm is yet another way to “own the libs.”
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