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Not true. Comparative religion classes allow that. A class that in many schools is optional and not required and allows parents to have their kids opt out of the activity.The objection was going to mosques in the first place, on grounds there would be hell to pay if the kids were taken to church
I see no reason why I should trust you on this.
Cool, since there is a reticence by some to banning books, I assume we can now have Bibles in every government school!Interesting name for the new entity. OKlahoma, fresh off trying to tailor an RFP for Trump Bibles, is setting up a new entity to further the state's public education goals.
OKLAHOMA CITY — A new office within the Oklahoma State Department of Education will promote expressions of religion and patriotism in public schools.States Newsroom (@statesnewsroom.com)
In order to align with President-elect Donald Trump’s aim of protecting prayer in schools, Oklahoma Superintendent Ryan Walters established the Office of Religious Liberty and Patriotism. He said it will investigate alleged abuses against religious freedom and patriotic displays. Via Oklahoma...bsky.app
The head of the agency, state Superintendent Ryan Walters, announced Tuesday he established the Office of Religious Liberty and Patriotism. He said the new division will align with incoming President Donald Trump’s aim of protecting prayer in schools.
The office will investigate alleged abuses against religious freedom and patriotic displays, according to a news release from the Education Department.
Walters cited a September 2023 incident in which a Skiatook school removed Bible verses from a classroom at the urging of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, which contended it was unconstitutional for a public school to allow religious displays. At the time, Walters said the removal was “unacceptable.”
The U.S. Supreme Court has decided that students and public school employees are permitted to pray on school grounds, but school employees cannot lead students in prayer or other religious activities while doing their jobs. The Court ruled in 1962 against school-led prayer in public schools, finding it a violation of the U.S. Constitution’s prohibition of government-established religion.
Students can bring in their own. But why would they be needed?Cool, since there is a reticence by some to banning books, I assume we can now have Bibles in every government school!
The objection was going to mosques in the first place, on grounds there would be hell to pay if the kids were taken to church
Not true. Comparative religion classes allow that. A class that in many schools is optional and not required and allows parents to have their kids opt out of the activity.
As long as they're not paid for by the school.They won't as they can be stocked in all government school libraries.
If they ever need rolling papers they know where to find them.Students can bring in their own. But why would they be needed?
Its a fair assumption that most of them were already familiar with church.
Also, the OK education superintendent does not believe in religious liberty either.Talibani? The Taliban believe in many things, but religious liberty is not one of them.
It's amazing how in the supposed land of the free so many people get so upset about making people say a pledge or follow a religion.
Do you guys really all stand for the national anthem for every sports event?
The school cannot spend money on religious products. That whole separation of church and state thing.Why? The government school system likely pays for all, or most of, the other books in the library.
Neither does the head of the Oklahoma State Department of Education. What do you think Supt. Walters means by religious liberty? Do you think Islam and the Koran will be welcomed into schools along with evangelicals and their Bible? How about Baha'i? Unitarians? Presbyterians liberal ones? Agnostics?Talibani? The Taliban believe in many things, but religious liberty is not one of them.
Let me be clear then. I have no trust in your opinion about what has been clear to most people or how the OK office of Religious Liberty will operate.
More than I would someone who think prayer in school should be banned.So you trust the State of Oklahoma regarding religious liberty and equality for all?
Sure they can.The school cannot spend money on religious products.
Where is that ("separation of church and state") in the constitution again?That whole separation of church and state thing.
More than I would someone who think prayer in school should be banned.
Liberty university or Liberty Council?Look up liberty.
Sure they can.
Its the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment. Thomas Jefferson was very clear on this matter.Where is that ("separation of church and state") in the constitution again?
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ʺmake no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,ʺ thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802
No, they cannot. At least not without violating the Constitution.Sure they can.
The 1st Amendment, in the writings of the Founding Fathers, and in established legal precedent as affirmed by the SCOTUS.Where is that ("separation of church and state") in the constitution again?
It's like some people actually want religion in the government. History and even modern times show that to be a really bad idea. It makes no sense.No they cannot.
Its the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment. Thomas Jefferson was very clear on this matter.
Thomas Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists | 1st Amendment | Religious Freedom | Separation of Church and State | Bill of Rights Institute
Thomas Jefferson wrote to a letter to a Baptist Church from Danbury, Connecticut, in which he explained his beliefs about federalism and the meaning of the Establishment Clause. Jefferson's letter has been used by the Supreme Court, as the Founders' intent for the Establishment Clause.billofrightsinstitute.org
They have never thought through this lame brained idea. What do they think would happen to them when their religion isn't among the political majority?It's like some people actually want religion in the government. History and even modern times show that to be a really bad idea. It makes no sense.
Yes, I am very aware of the letter to the Danbury Baptists and the common misreading of that letter.No they cannot.
Its the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment. Thomas Jefferson was very clear on this matter.
Thomas Jefferson's Letter to the Danbury Baptists | 1st Amendment | Religious Freedom | Separation of Church and State | Bill of Rights Institute
Thomas Jefferson wrote to a letter to a Baptist Church from Danbury, Connecticut, in which he explained his beliefs about federalism and the meaning of the Establishment Clause. Jefferson's letter has been used by the Supreme Court, as the Founders' intent for the Establishment Clause.billofrightsinstitute.org
Do you mean like the people who actually drafted the constitution.It's like some people actually want religion in the government.
History and even modern times show that to be a really bad idea. It makes no sense.
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