Of course Carter Page should have been surveilled. It would have been neglegent not to.All you have

[Vetplus40]

All that you have to do is take a look at Carter Page's background and watch him being interviewed and it is easy to see why the Russians would have wanted to recruit him. In addition, if Hillary had been elected, and Page had been a Democrat, EVERY hypocritical Republican would have been screaming "Why wasn't this guy put under surveillance".

Now, this memo is nothing more than a political memo. If you are going to try and convince intelligent people otherwise, you are essentially pissing down their legs and telling them it is raining. Not only is this approach a bit disingenuous, you look pretty stupid doing it.

 

[HowardBThiname]

All that you have to do is take a look at Carter Page's background and watch him being interviewed and it is easy to see why the Russians would have wanted to recruit him. In addition, if Hillary had been elected, and Page had been a Democrat, EVERY hypocritical Republican would have been screaming "Why wasn't this guy put under surveillance".

Now, this memo is nothing more than a political memo. If you are going to try and convince intelligent people otherwise, you are essentially pissing down their legs and telling them it is raining. Not only is this approach a bit disingenuous, you look pretty stupid doing it.

You need to explain that to the FBI who is having a major hissy fit over the memo.

 

[cuban smokes]

All that you have to do is take a look at Carter Page's background and watch him being interviewed and it is easy to see why the Russians would have wanted to recruit him. In addition, if Hillary had been elected, and Page had been a Democrat, EVERY hypocritical Republican would have been screaming "Why wasn't this guy put under surveillance".

Now, this memo is nothing more than a political memo. If you are going to try and convince intelligent people otherwise, you are essentially pissing down their legs and telling them it is raining. Not only is this approach a bit disingenuous, you look pretty stupid doing it.

yep, you got that right & every GOPer would be calling HRC Hillary 'Russian' Clinton ...............

 

[Fletch]

All that you have to do is take a look at Carter Page's background and watch him being interviewed and it is easy to see why the Russians would have wanted to recruit him. In addition, if Hillary had been elected, and Page had been a Democrat, EVERY hypocritical Republican would have been screaming "Why wasn't this guy put under surveillance".

Now, this memo is nothing more than a political memo. If you are going to try and convince intelligent people otherwise, you are essentially pissing down their legs and telling them it is raining. Not only is this approach a bit disingenuous, you look pretty stupid doing it.

Have you ever watched an interview with Carter Page? And what evidence is there that he was an agent of a foreign government? Visiting Russia and talking to Russians is not a crime and should not be enough to allow the government to spy on you.

 

[Hawkeye10]

All that you have to do is take a look at Carter Page's background and watch him being interviewed and it is easy to see why the Russians would have wanted to recruit him. In addition, if Hillary had been elected, and Page had been a Democrat, EVERY hypocritical Republican would have been screaming "Why wasn't this guy put under surveillance".

Now, this memo is nothing more than a political memo. If you are going to try and convince intelligent people otherwise, you are essentially pissing down their legs and telling them it is raining. Not only is this approach a bit disingenuous, you look pretty stupid doing it.

More than likely he should have been brought in for questioning and given that he was more of a groupie than an operative that would have been the end of it.

Should have been the end of it.

If we were better.

 

[GDViking]

Have you ever watched an interview with Carter Page? And what evidence is there that he was an agent of a foreign government? Visiting Russia and talking to Russians is not a crime and should not be enough to allow the government to spy on you.

If conservatives felt that way they should not have supported the "patriot act".

If you make even an overseas call you are being monitored, if you think someone visiting Russia on a regular basis is not under extreme scrutiny you are very naive.

Hell several other countries had been watching trump and company for years.

The reason this investigation is taking so long is not because they're finding nothing, its because they're just finding so damb much!

 

[jimbo]

If conservatives felt that way they should not have supported the "patriot act".

If you make even an overseas call you are being monitored, if you think someone visiting Russia on a regular basis is not under extreme scrutiny you are very naive.

Hell several other countries had been watching trump and company for years.

The reason this investigation is taking so long is not because they're finding nothing, its because they're just finding so damb much!

If the investigators were finding so damb much, it would have been leaking faster than that guy pissing down legs referred to in post 1.

 

[Fletch]

If conservatives felt that way they should not have supported the "patriot act".

If you make even an overseas call you are being monitored, if you think someone visiting Russia on a regular basis is not under extreme scrutiny you are very naive.

Hell several other countries had been watching trump and company for years.

The reason this investigation is taking so long is not because they're finding nothing, its because they're just finding so damb much!

Not true. What have they found on the guy they spied upon--Carter Page? Or are you claiming that their surveillance of Page led them to get dirt on Trump and his people--you know, which was sort of the reason they spied on him in the first place. Not sure why you guys are so willing to believe any and every negative story about Trump and his people that comes along, but when it comes to potential wrongdoing by some democrat or upper level apparatchik, you don't believe a word of it.

 

[Deuce]

You need to explain that to the FBI who is having a major hissy fit over the memo.

They're upset because it's a blatant attempt to undermine their credibility and it's a bunch of horse****. Of course they're going to say something. You think Donny boy would shut his trap if a Democrat in Congress released a "memo" stating Trump had ordered the execution of Mr. Rogers? Oh, but you see, the memo is totally based on this other information you haven't seen. No I wont show you that information. You just have to take my word for it.

 

[Fletch]

They're upset because it's a blatant attempt to undermine their credibility and it's a bunch of horse****. .

How so?

 

[GDViking]

If the investigators were finding so damb much, it would have been leaking faster than that guy pissing down legs referred to in post 1.

Nope, Mueller is a true professional and his team does not leak. All leaks have come from trumps people and people who have been interviewed.

 

[calamity]

All that you have to do is take a look at Carter Page's background and watch him being interviewed and it is easy to see why the Russians would have wanted to recruit him. In addition, if Hillary had been elected, and Page had been a Democrat, EVERY hypocritical Republican would have been screaming "Why wasn't this guy put under surveillance".

Now, this memo is nothing more than a political memo. If you are going to try and convince intelligent people otherwise, you are essentially pissing down their legs and telling them it is raining. Not only is this approach a bit disingenuous, you look pretty stupid doing it.

It doesn't take a genius to know this warrant was warranted.

But, it does take an idiot to argue it was not.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Have you ever watched an interview with Carter Page? And what evidence is there that he was an agent of a foreign government? Visiting Russia and talking to Russians is not a crime and should not be enough to allow the government to spy on you.

Russia is a hostile foreign power. Are you saying our intelligence services should ignore the actions of Russian agents?

I don't think you understand. Carter Page was being recruited by real Russian agents who were later deported.

Two years before joining the Trump campaign as a foreign policy adviser, New York business consultant Carter Page was targeted for recruitment as an intelligence source by Russian spies promising favors for business opportunities in Russia, according to a sealed FBI complaint.

Page confirmed to ABC News that he is the individual identified as "Male-1" in a 2015 court document submitted in a case involving the Russian spies.

Page told ABC News he cooperated in the case and felt the feds "unmasked" him by describing him in January 2015 in a manner that would be known to energy insiders.

"I didn't want to be a spy," he said in an interview early Monday afternoon. "I'm not a spy."

According to the document, the FBI interviewed Page as part of an investigation stemming from the indictment of three Russian men identified as agents of the Russian foreign intelligence agency, the SVR. One of them, Evgeny Buryakov, was operating undercover as an executive in the New York office of a Russian development bank.

Trump campaign adviser Carter Page targeted by Russian spies - ABC News

Your claim that he was just some guy who visited Russia is false. He's a guy who was being recruited by real Russian spies. It would be negligent if our intelligence services didn't spy on him.

 

[cuban smokes]

If conservatives felt that way they should not have supported the "patriot act".

If you make even an overseas call you are being monitored, if you think someone visiting Russia on a regular basis is not under extreme scrutiny you are very naive.

Hell several other countries had been watching trump and company for years.

The reason this investigation is taking so long is not because they're finding nothing, its because they're just finding so damb much!

You're talking to 'the party of Nixon' here; they have no morals .............

 

[Fletch]

Russia is a hostile foreign power. Are you saying our intelligence services should ignore the actions of Russian agents?

I don't think you understand. Carter Page was being recruited by real Russian agents who were later deported.



Trump campaign adviser Carter Page targeted by Russian spies - ABC News

Your claim that he was just some guy who visited Russia is false. He's a guy who was being recruited by real Russian spies. It would be negligent if our intelligence services didn't spy on him.

What did the investigation in 2015 turn up about Carter? Was he a spy?

 

[Deuce]

How so?

It whips up a conspiracy theory. "Wildly misleading" was a term used.

The memo is unverified.

 

[Fletch]

It doesn't take a genius to know this warrant was warranted.

But, it does take an idiot to argue it was not.

Sorry but disagreeing with Calamity does not make one an idiot. In fact, the opposite is more likely true.

 

[calamity]

Sorry but disagreeing with Calamity does not make one an idiot. In fact, the opposite is more likely true.

The warrant was warranted. Try explaining why it wasn't. I dare ya.

 

[Fletch]

It whips up a conspiracy theory. "Wildly misleading" was a term used.

The memo is unverified.

What is 'wildly misleading' about it? And I don't know why you feel it is such a stretch to imagine top level officials doing something wrong. Hell, if these were Trump appointees accused here, you would believe every word of it. I will grant you that the memo doesn't prove politically based motives here, but it is hardly something that can be rejected out of hand

 

[Fletch]

The warrant was warranted. Try explaining why it wasn't. I dare ya.

You are the one making the claims here, not me. You claim it was warranted, explain why.

 

[jimbo]

Nope, Mueller is a true professional and his team does not leak. All leaks have come from trumps people and people who have been interviewed.

You really believe that?

 

[jdog21]

Two years before joining the Trump campaign as a foreign policy adviser, New York business consultant Carter Page was targeted for recruitment as an intelligence source by Russian spies promising favors for business opportunities in Russia, according to a sealed FBI complaint.

Page confirmed to ABC News that he is the individual identified as "Male-1" in a 2015 court document submitted in a case involving the Russian spies.

Page told ABC News he cooperated in the case and felt the feds "unmasked" him by describing him in January 2015 in a manner that would be known to energy insiders.

"I didn't want to be a spy," he said in an interview early Monday afternoon. "I'm not a spy."

According to the document, the FBI interviewed Page as part of an investigation stemming from the indictment of three Russian men identified as agents of the Russian foreign intelligence agency, the SVR. One of them, Evgeny Buryakov, was operating undercover as an executive in the New York office of a Russian development bank.

Trump campaign adviser Carter Page targeted by Russian spies - ABC News

Where is the sealed FBI complaint? We havent seen it but ABC is implying they have and it is the bases for their questioning Carter.
Where is the video of Carter saying he is the individual "Male-1"? They show the interview with Carter saying the dossier is fake but never him talking about "Male-1" why?
Where is the court case even talking about "Male-1". Why isnt ABC providing its viewers with the evidence to that helps fuel their article?
Probably because there is none and they just want to fan the flames of a Trump russia collusion to help the liberal agenda
You and people like you will just believe a journalist that says they seen and read documents but they wont show them to you and you believe every word they say.

 

[calamity]

You are the one making the claims here, not me. You claim it was warranted, explain why.

The op---you know, the post I responded to before you gave your potentially rules-violating retort--already did.

 

[SonOfDaedalus]

Where is the sealed FBI complaint? We havent seen it but ABC is implying they have and it is the bases for their questioning Carter.
Where is the video of Carter saying he is the individual "Male-1"? They show the interview with Carter saying the dossier is fake but never him talking about "Male-1" why?
Where is the court case even talking about "Male-1". Why isnt ABC providing its viewers with the evidence to that helps fuel their article?
Probably because there is none and they just want to fan the flames of a Trump russia collusion to help the liberal agenda
You and people like you will just believe a journalist that says they seen and read documents but they wont show them to you and you believe every word they say.

"Male-1" is a redaction. Carter Page has been revealed to be Male-1

A court filing by the US government contains a transcript of a recorded conversation in which Podobnyy speaks with one of the other men busted in the spy ring, Igor Sporyshev, about trying to recruit someone identified as “Male-1.” BuzzFeed News has confirmed that “Male-1” is Page.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkin...-a-russian-spy?utm_term=.fc2ARaAdo#.nmKVQaVRn

 

[Fenton]

All that you have to do is take a look at Carter Page's background and watch him being interviewed and it is easy to see why the Russians would have wanted to recruit him. In addition, if Hillary had been elected, and Page had been a Democrat, EVERY hypocritical Republican would have been screaming "Why wasn't this guy put under surveillance"..

None of that justifies what the FBI did to Page or anyone in the Trump campaign

Now, this memo is nothing more than a political memo..

If you are going to try and convince intelligent people otherwise, you are essentially pissing down their legs and telling them it is raining. Not only is this approach a bit disingenuous, you look pretty stupid doing it.[/QUOTE].

:lamo

You think dismissing the memo out of hand and its contents as " political " is what intelligent people are doing ??