They DID turn their anger to those who have caused all of this. Banksters got Glass-Steagal evicerated, and then put peoples' money into hedgefunds, and other bad investments, which collapsed. Some people lost their life savings, but banksters gave themselves bonuses for collapsing the American economy. Here is the result:
We are in revolutionary times.
I don't think you have a good grasp on the OWS argument. They're not pissed because the banks got government goodies. they're pissed because they didn't.
I don't think YOU have a good grasp on what I had written. What have OWS gotten? Arrested, shot at, shot (possibly), tear gassed, flash banged, etc. What did the banks get? Billions and billions of tax payer money. The better scam was the one I mentioned.
Who got shot? Are you talking about the ex Marine that says he got knocked on the head by a gas canister? The same ex Marine that started the web site ihatemarines.com? That guy?
Keep up that Libertarian facade dude, we see through it.
j-mac
If that is true, it is in the infancy stage.
It's the story I know of, and I said possibly. Still, it's no billions and billions of dollars.
But you don't see clearly. You don't even understand my points. So should I care what you think? The answer is "no".
Ok, so leaving out the obvious hack, shill, uber leftie, anti American boob this guy is, and leave out that no conclusive proof points to him being struck in the head by a CS canister, could have just as easily been a rock, or bottle coming from the protester side,
leave all of that out, and you have that they are mad at the bailouts. Well, ok, whoop de doo! Welcome to the party! So is the Tea Party, but let's take a look at the differences of the two 'movements' shall we?
OWS blames the banks, leaving out half of the equation when it comes to greed and what actually happened to drive housing into the dirt.
Tea party blames government and too much central planning that created a bubble by offering free money to those who either couldn't, or had no intent to ever pay that money back.
OWS makes their point by breaking the law, and taking over places, breaking things, destroying property, and clashing with police.
Tea party made their point by gaining permits, holding peaceful rallies, and leaving the place cleaner than when they came.
You tell me which one you support?
I understand pretty well I think, if there is something I am missing maybe that is because you are being purposely unclear, that burden is on you, not me. But hey, if you don't want to debate those that disagree with your support of OWS then why are you in this thread? To troll?
j-mac
That's why I said possibly. Jesus.
That is one of their main contentions, yes. Tea Partiers aren't in it for the long haul though. They could learn a lesson from OWS.
That's what commitment and resolve look like.
Sure, they don't have to go the route of Oakland, and many other OWS movements have been very peaceful and people have prescribe themselves to the boundary of law.
But they don't stop, they don't give up, they keep coming back.
One some level, there are at least a few admirable qualities about the movement in those terms of perseverance.
Well put the two together and we get the big picture then. Tea Party and OWS, peanut butter and chocolate.
Not really. In one city in particular it has become very serious. In other cities there are minor clashes, and in still other cities it's perfectly peaceful.
They certainly have admirable qualities too...I wouldn't mind seeing the Tea Party get a bit more aggressive though.
Both. I love protest, I love freedom, I love seeing it all in action. I love dissent, I love the People asserting themselves, I love to watch the government reel. I love this Republic, and understand that it must be kept through action of the people, I applaud all attempts to do just that.
I love questioning authority, I love my rights, I love my liberty, I love all those who rise up to stand for theirs.
I support both sides and their right to assemble and protest; to it's maximum. They are both faces of freedom.
I've been perfectly clear, I fear that perhaps you have just overestimated your abilities to understand a bit though.
I don't think YOU have a good grasp on what I had written. What have OWS gotten? Arrested, shot at, shot (possibly), tear gassed, flash banged, etc. What did the banks get? Billions and billions of tax payer money. The better scam was the one I mentioned.
As I see it Oakland police should great restraint in dealing with this violent anarchists who should have had water cannons used against them. They were there to show their asses and they did so with gusto.
That is what happens when you act like a bunch of rioting goons.
We have Occupy protesters here... about maybe 50-100 steady throughout the week.
And... no problems.... because they haven't been acting like riotous morons.
That's fine. As I said with j-mac too, there are OWS protests which have been very peaceful and within the confines of the law. He doesn't seem to think so, rather it appears he assumes ALL OWS have rapes and blah blah blah; that long list he put on.
But regardless, that doesn't take away from my point in that post that the Banks ran the better scam that OWS.
Tea Partiers aren't in it for the long haul though.
:lamo:lamo
Yeah, after changing the entire political landscape last November, all of those fiscal conservatives, fiscal libertarians, fiscal democrats are simply going to stop voting for principles that just crushed the liberals. You have no idea what drives the Tea Party movement.
The Tea Party has been taken over by standard politics now. What are they doing? They got a few guys in office, we got a balanced budget yet? No? Everyone likes to bitch about the OWS, but what has the TP accomplished in any real terms?
Oh, so change must be overnight for it to be valid.....TP was instrumental in taking at least the congress back, and now are overseeing, and watchdoging them to hold their votes accountable to the voters that voted them in.
But I see how OWS is much better because hey, they can break stuff, make noise, rape and pillage, and get away with it.....
j-mac
I don't know the time scales y'all are talking about. People complain that OWS hasn't done anything. But the TP has been around longer, what have they done?
Most Tea Party activities since 2010 have been focused on opposing the efforts (supported by the Obama Administration) to enact reforms to health insurance and health care delivery, and on recruiting, nominating, and supporting candidates for upcoming state and national elections
Tea Party protests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tea Partying lawmakers are credited with getting House Speaker John Boehner to back away from a bigger $4 trillion deal to cut the deficit in favor of a package with smaller, $2 trillion ambitions. And they didn't have to have a big confrontation with Republican leaders to make it happen.
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But the freshmen have still been able to push the House rightward, The New York Times' Nate Silver explains. GOP n00bs are a little bit more conservative than average--they vote the liberal position 6.8 percent of the time, compared to GOP veterans' 7.5 percent of the time--but they tend to be from more moderate districts than the veterans. By Silver's analysis, "80 percent of the first-termers are more conservative than you'd 'expect' based on knowing how the veteran Republicans are voting."
The Tea Party's Accomplishments in Congress So Far - Yahoo! News
Without integrity, there's very little point. Get some.
So they sit around and bitch about healthcare. Have they accomplished anything? Of course there is compromise, that's inherent to the system. But if their contention is that it doesn't exist, have they made true strides to accomplish that goal?
In the end if we're going to say that OWS is sitting around bitching and not doing anything, is the TP any different (I think so, but not along the lines some of y'all probably take).
I agree. But mostly because I don't agree that protesting in this day and age really does much.
It may or may not. But it is a necessary right of the People, of the individual. And thus we must uphold it to its maximum.
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