Perhaps you might more objective look at Obama's meetings with republicans and republican intentions concerning Obama. BTWm, how do you feel about republicans holding up aid for 9/11 heros until the rich got their tax cut?
Stewart skewers GOP for blocking 9/11 responders bill | Raw Story
I don't have a problem with it because it has to be paid for and there wasn't any room for amendments or none were allowed. How many billions have been spent on 9/11 and why now at the end of the Congressional year it is a priority? Typical leftwing spin
By the way, I watched Obama adressing McCain
Sad. Truely sad.
What continues to be sad is how you run from actually addressing the points made.
Think about your point. You support cutting taxes so there is less money to pay for it and then say we shoudln't take care of those who served us so heroically until we pay for it. Good things our heros don't act that way, but instead risk their lives for us, only to be abandoned in their hour of need.
Yes, that is sad, and your positiion is sad.
Much of that has to do with dealing with the dishonest lies from people like Palin (lie of the year stuff) thatled us to make concessions and even adopt republican ideas (the mandate). That's what sometimes happens when congress decides not to solve a problem, but to use an issue to distort and influence votes. Shame on congress. Shame on people like Palin and Beck and Oberman.
so it's Palin, Becks, and Obermans fault? that what exactly?
we depend on their misinformation? because we are too stupid to read whats in the bill and decide for ourselves?
so lets get to the nuts and bolts of this "reform" you are proud to have at least taken a "step forward" in fixing the broken system.
it's going to help those of us, who are paying outrageous premiums for private health care how?
And I will take an answer referring to immediatly or eventually
But I will go first if youd like
on the negative impact on those of us paying outrageous premiums for private health care.
we will now be paying to subsidize those who cant afford it, and or have found a way to make it look like they cant,
in addition to paying outrageously high premiums for our own private health care.
your turn
They (Beck, Plain, and others) contribute to the misinformation so prevelent today. To pretend otherwise is dishonest.
As for outrageous premiums. My premium doubled nearly three years ago now, and they cut benefits. Was that the fault of healthcare reform? Before reform we were losing benefits across this country and paying more for them. So, with reform we get more. Is it better to pay more for more, or to more fior less?
I don't pretend this is perfect. I'm one of the 1/3 in exit polling who would say the reform didn't go far enough. I would have been much happier with a public option, and even happier with a universal payer. But you can't begin to fix a problem by doing nothing and letting the dishonest voices win the day.
so we are on the same team then, in a way.
I agree it's broken, our premiums are more and we get less. And forget dental, its not even worth having anymore.
Universal health care (single payer) is different than this phony thing, I agree.
if the government wants to run health care, and we all get it for a fair percentage of our wages, I dont mind paying more than the clerk at the grocery store.
for the same coverage.
My problem is strictly with the thought, and high probability that this could be just another social program.
With increasing numbers of people not playing fair these days its a recipe for disaster.
And I also agree that maybe doing something will at least get the ball rolling.
But I dont see the good start that you see, thats all I'm saying my friend.
What really is at display here is liberal arrogance. No matter how many failures there have been for liberal social programs and the trillions spent, no problems have been solved as the programs cost more each and every year, and never go away.
Why such belief in the govt. solving an individual responsibility? Boo has yet to answer that question. We have 310 million individuals in this country and the government's one size fits all has yet to solve anyone's own personal issues.
I agree with the last sentence and liberal programs don't work. However, universal healthcare is not something that should be abandoned or thrown aside. We could save money while having universal healthcare if you just spend back on military spending. The majority of the money is going into just that. But liberals and conservatives fail to address this issue at all. We should focus on benefits for the people, not killing others in different countries.
with reform we get more
Medicaid exists to give low-income families, especially low-income mothers and their children, access to health care. But for millions of Americans, Medicaid is an illusion. It is the appearance of coverage — without the power of access. The program is administered by states and funded jointly by states and the federal government. And it is bankrupting both, along with physicians and hospitals.
Last year, the federal government spent $251 billion on Medicaid. Washington’s Medicaid tab is expected to rise to $458 billion by 2019, according to the Congressional Budget Office. For state governments, most of which must balance their budgets annually, Medicaid’s escalating growth is ruinous. Responding to rising costs and budgetary pressures, 48 states were forced to adopt “at least one new policy” to restrict their ballooning Medicaid costs in 2010, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.
Twenty states adopted Medicaid benefit restrictions, and 14 signaled intent to cut benefits next year. Thirty-nine states imposed a provider rate cut or freeze this year, and 37 plan to do so in 2011 — despite the fact that Medicaid pays providers significantly less than any other insurer and frequently less than cost.
Consequently, patients suffer. In a March 15, 2010, article titled “As Medicaid Payments Shrink, Patients Are Abandoned,” The New York Times chronicled the experiences of several patients whose Medicaid coverage would not cover needed care. One was Carol Y. Vliet, who could not find a doctor to treat her metastatic cancer after Michigan imposed yet another round of Medicaid provider payment cuts. Vliet died seven days after the article appeared. Cases like Vliet’s are now all too common among Medicaid patients. A recent study of surgical outcomes found that patients are roughly as well off having Medicaid as they are having no health insurance, and “Medicaid payer status was associated with the longest length of stay and highest total costs” of any payer source.
All this is before the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which would put 16 million more Americans on Medicaid. Once the new law is fully in effect, roughly one in five Americans will carry a Medicaid card. But the combination of rapid beneficiary growth with benefit and provider cuts threatens to render their cards useless.
so it's Palin, Becks, and Obermans fault? that what exactly?
we depend on their misinformation? because we are too stupid to read whats in the bill and decide for ourselves?
so lets get to the nuts and bolts of this "reform" you are proud to have at least taken a "step forward" in fixing the broken system.
it's going to help those of us, who are paying outrageous premiums for private health care how?
Healthcare is an individual responsibility not a Federal Responsibility. States and the local communities are the place where these issues should be addressed not the national stage. If you want govt. help in providing healthcare then look to the individual state or local governments, not the Federal Taxpayer.
Why have a federal government then? IF they are there they might as well do something useful instead of attempting to police the world. That is what is killing federal tax payers. So as long as there is a federal government, I see no reason why they should not guarantee healthcare.
from politico above, yesterday:
so we are on the same team then, in a way.
I agree it's broken, our premiums are more and we get less. And forget dental, its not even worth having anymore.
Universal health care (single payer) is different than this phony thing, I agree.
if the government wants to run health care, and we all get it for a fair percentage of our wages, I dont mind paying more than the clerk at the grocery store.
for the same coverage.
My problem is strictly with the thought, and high probability that this could be just another social program.
With increasing numbers of people not playing fair these days its a recipe for disaster.
And I also agree that maybe doing something will at least get the ball rolling.
But I dont see the good start that you see, thats all I'm saying my friend.
I don't think the disagreement over the ground zero mosque was along party lines.
gun rights yes, because the tea party wants our gov. to uphold the constitution.
death penality, not so sure.
The tea party is made up of all kinds of peoples except for maybe no liberals or farther left than them, because they believe in big government and high taxes.
Yes, I can see where some races would have been run on immigration.
I didn't say it as a good start (at least not in terms of quality). I said it was a start, and I prefer that over standing pat.
LOL!
sure, why should anyone expect starts to be good starts
good thinking, barrister
I don't believe you even want a good start. You would prefer no start, right? That would be the difference and the point.
I don't think you have ever answered the question as to your expectations from the Federal Govt. and their role in personal responsibility issues? How about giving us your vision and why you believe that the Federal Govt. has a role in your state or local communities?
Meaning, I'm correct. :coffeepap
Correct about what? you think the Federal govt. getting involved in healthcare is a good thing so apparently you believe in a large central govt. that takes on personal responsibility issues, like healthcare? I just wondered where you learned that and why you believe the Federal Govt. can do better than the state and local governments along with charities? I was wondering how you in Iowa was paying for emergency room service in TX?
Yep, I do think we need national reform and not just state reform. I've explained why a few time to you. Would doing it again really matter? :coffeepap
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