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When someone suffering from ODS says something positive about Obama, especially when they don't realize what they're saying, it's evidence enough for me.
Without understanding what you were saying, you said the results of Obama's stimulus cost us $228,000 per job, i.e., 3½ million jobs saved or created.
Obamanomics is a complete and total failure."let me be perfectly clear"
Not true at all. The federal government often steps up when problems are too big for states to handle. Like when FEMA provided aid to Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina because the state couldn't handle the enormity of the situation.You don't seem to get it, that is a state responsibility, not a Federal Responsibility. States weren't forced to make tough choices, they were offered money and took it. there is no proof that those people were going to get pink slips, could is not a guarantee. It is not the Federal Government's role to make up state shortfalls but Obama bailed out his base, the unions.
Ok, you're on record as preferring -9% GDP and losing 700,000 jobs in a month, like we saw under Bush as he handed Obama the wheel to the U.S.S. Titanic.Obamanomics is a complete and total failure.
You don't seem to get it, that is a state responsibility, not a Federal Responsibility.
Ok, you're on record as preferring -9% GDP and losing 700,000 jobs in a month, like we saw under Bush as he handed Obama the wheel to the U.S.S. Titanic.
Not true at all. The federal government often steps up when problems are too big for states to handle. Like when FEMA provided aid to Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina because the state couldn't handle the enormity of the situation.
Stop trying to change the subject. The question isn't whose responsibility it is, but rather, how many jobs were saved by the stimulus.
It's impossible to say with precision. You have to rely on self reporting by the states and estimates by economists
Ok, you're on record as preferring -9% GDP and losing 700,000 jobs in a month, like we saw under Bush as he handed Obama the wheel to the U.S.S. Titanic.
There is no way of knowing as you stated,
I said there is no way of knowing with precision, which is not the same thing as saying that we have no idea.
So if someone asked you to prove your claim, you couldn't do it and that is the point. You could cite opinions but nothing that can actually be counted. Your support for Obama and liberalism is noted, doesn't help your credibility at all.
Sorry, I do see things being better than they were when Obama took over. I see unemployment shrinking by 19,000 jobs in a month as better than unemployment growing by 732,000 jobs in a month. I see 1% GDP growth better than 8.9% GDP contraction. By no means do I think we're out of the woods, but we're definately out of the part of the woods that are on fire.Thats true Sheik...it was all going down during bushs watch and his tax cuts failed...but lets be honest, if obama hasnt made it worse, he sure hasnt made it any better and all his bailouts were just as much a failure as the bush tax cuts.
Well we know what Rick Perry did.there is quite a bit of difference between a natural disaster and a man made financial mess. It isn't the role of the govt. to cover state shortfalls so there is no way of knowing how many of those so called saved jobs would have been saved without stimulus money. Someone offers you money so you don't have to use yours,what would you do?
Check the date of the article.
Okay, now you prove that employment wouldn't have been any different without the stimulus.opcorn2:
Well we know what Rick Perry did.
Someone offers you money so you don't have to use yours,what would you do?
Umm, the money he took was from the federal government, meaning it came from all 57 statesHe did exactly as you would do or anyone else. It is taxpayer money that was being distributed so why wouldn't the state of TX take some of the TX taxpayer money back? Then of course there is the issue of expansion of Medicaid and Unemployment insurance. Who do you think should pay that?
Sheik Yerbuti;1059765817]Sorry, I do see things being better than they were when Obama took over. I see unemployment shrinking by 19,000 jobs in a month as better than unemployment growing by 732,000 jobs in a month. I see 1% GDP growth better than 8.9% GDP contraction. By no means do I think we're out of the woods, but we're definately out of the part of the woods that are on fire.
I also don't equate one president who led us to the mess Bush led us to with another president who may be unable to fix that mess. It requires a far great level of incompetence to produce the Great Recession than it does to not be able of repairing it in less than 3 years.
Umm, the money he took was from the federal government, meaning it came from all 50 states, not just Texas.
You would take the money -- especially if you didn't have any and the alternative was to lay off employees. Hey! We just saved some jobs!
Awww, how cute coming from the person who kept insisting that Obama used teleprompters to speak to school children. Yeah, you don't suffer from ODS yourself. :roll:what I see is someone with a bad case of BDS unable to objectively look at actual data and make an intelligent decision especially someone so lacking in civics understanding.
Well I've challenged you repeatedly to produce the bill(s) the Democrat-led Congress passed (or failed to pass) in 2007 that led to the Great Recession and when you couldn't site even one, I accepted that as your tacit admission that you were lying when you blamed the Democrat-led Congress.Guess Congress under Democrat Control had no impact at all over legislation and spending. Obama loves having people like you supporting him.
How do you know that some of the tax dollars returned to TX didn't come from TX.
Well I've challenged you repeatedly to produce the bill(s) the Democrat-led Congress passed (or failed to pass) in 2007 that led to the Great Recession and when you couldn't site even one, I accepted that as your tacit admission that you were lying when you blamed the Democrat-led Congress.
Without the stimulus, he wouldn't gotten the money.He did exactly as you would do or anyone else. It is taxpayer money that was being distributed so why wouldn't the state of TX take some of the TX taxpayer money back? Then of course there is the issue of expansion of Medicaid and Unemployment insurance. Who do you think should pay that?
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