Nonsense. The situation is serious but nothing we can't fix if those assholes in Washington would work together.
The point in all of this is that the government has made an obligation to all of these various demographics to kick back tax dollars to them. And at a point in the not too far future, the country will crumble under the weight of this financial obligation.
Unless benefits are drastically cut back or taxes are raised to impractical levels
... or unless benefits are rationally cut back and taxes are raised to historical norms....
What is Perry going to do about it even if what you say is true? You better understand that SS and Medicare are both broke. If you think independents are going to vote again for continuation of the results Obama has generated then you are the one that already bought the swampland.
The election will be decided by, the independents. Obama had a lock on them in 2008 (2 to 1) and needs to do it again in order to win again, but theres a problemo. He's losing them over his economic performance.
Poll after poll has shown this.
The big question is can Perry get the indies to vote for him?
Lesser of two evils my friend
BS. We had all that and a balanced budget until Bush became president.
Stop lying, Con. There are other public jobs besides government jobs. I notice you didn't post private sector jobs. Instead, you posted total jobs minus government jobs and then dishonestly called the remainder, "private jobs." What about teachers, postal employees, etc...
Do you ever stop lying?
Here's private sector jobs ...
Private:
Dec/2007: 8837.6
Jul/2011: 8804.4
Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
Published August 26, 2011
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I'm going by what Conservative believed. If someone as anti-Obama as he is believed that each stimulus job cost $228,000 (which equates to 3.5 million jobs), what reason would I have to doubt him?
That is fine for your argument against Conservative, however I am not him, and I would like you to provide a credible economist that can lay out what exactly is a saved job. Can you do that or not?
j-mac
I imagine Democrats thought the same thing about Reagan when his JAR sank to 35%.
This is somethat that I believe even Sheik can understand but maybe not
Ray Stevens - Obama Budget Plan - YouTube
That is fine for your argument against Conservative, however I am not him, and I would like you to provide a credible economist that can lay out what exactly is a saved job. Can you do that or not?
j-mac
You really don't have to be John Maynard Keynes to understand it. A saved job is simply one that would have been eliminated but-for the stimulus funds. These are state and local employees who would have been laid off, but who weren't laid off because the states used stimulus money to fund them. It's very apparent now, as the stimulus money winds down and states are laying off tens of thousands of workers per month.
The problem is you have no idea whether or not those jobs would have been eliminated as the states weren't given the opportunity to solve their own problem. Show me where those jobs are calculated by an unbiased source?
You probably can't calculate it to the job, but it's not that hard to do on average.
State, local governments set to see record job cuts, layoffs - Jun. 5, 2011
You really don't have to be John Maynard Keynes to understand it. A saved job is simply one that would have been eliminated but-for the stimulus funds. These are state and local employees who would have been laid off, but who weren't laid off because the states used stimulus money to fund them. It's very apparent now, as the stimulus money winds down and states are laying off tens of thousands of workers per month.
Yesterday you posted following, the first set of numbers is NOT seasonally adjusted and the second set IS seasonally adjusted. Could you explain why this is??The problem is you have no idea whether or not those jobs would have been eliminated as the states weren't given the opportunity to solve their own problem. Show me where those jobs are calculated by an unbiased source?
conservative said:Here are the official numbers since 2001 the state has increased Govt. jobs from 1.565 million to 1.77 or 205,000. Total employment went from 9.5 million to 10.6 million or 1.2 million which makes govt. employment about 18% with a 20% increase in population.
Guess I just don't see that decrease in private sector jobs you claim happened. Don't you ever get embarrassed by being wrong so often?
Government employment by month from 2001 to 2011
2001 1565.7 1594.7 1600.0 1601.2 1602.0 1559.7 1494.2 1522.8 1603.1 1624.1 1636.3 1630.8 1586.2
2002 1605.4 1638.0 1645.1 1644.7 1647.4 1599.6 1530.3 1550.8 1632.5 1668.1 1677.9 1671.6 1626.0
2003 1642.8 1677.8 1676.1 1677.4 1677.2 1632.1 1555.4 1570.5 1642.2 1664.1 1673.3 1663.7 1646.1
2004 1640.2 1674.4 1676.1 1676.7 1678.7 1636.7 1568.0 1586.2 1661.9 1684.8 1693.9 1688.5 1655.5
2005 1666.5 1700.7 1703.1 1705.2 1707.0 1660.4 1597.5 1618.4 1690.3 1715.9 1727.8 1715.4 1684.0
2006 1696.4 1728.9 1730.0 1726.5 1727.2 1683.9 1609.0 1634.8 1711.3 1741.2 1750.0 1742.5 1706.8
2007 1716.3 1748.1 1754.5 1753.7 1756.7 1717.4 1646.5 1655.6 1731.5 1771.0 1786.0 1781.6 1734.9
2008 1761.8 1793.7 1801.9 1795.2 1799.2 1763.9 1694.1 1701.5 1773.8 1809.5 1828.6 1823.1 1778.9
2009 1804.1 1832.4 1839.2 1848.3 1847.8 1811.7 1735.4 1731.4 1808.4 1859.5 1872.2 1864.2 1821.2
2010 1836.3 1868.8 1881.2 1885.7 1920.6 1877.4 1781.4 1775.0 1833.0 1884.1 1896.7 1883.6 1860.3
2011 1859.4 1889.4 1890.4 1890.3 1882.2 1846.8 1766.8
Total Jobs by month
Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001 9541.2 9550.7 9556.8 9548.8 9544.0 9540.3 9519.5 9521.4 9504.5 9468.3 9447.9 9429.6
2002 9421.0 9414.8 9422.3 9420.1 9430.4 9423.4 9409.1 9414.9 9422.9 9410.1 9410.5 9401.9
2003 9395.4 9383.9 9365.9 9367.3 9360.1 9352.9 9345.0 9355.0 9368.7 9375.4 9384.6 9393.9
2004 9420.1 9428.2 9439.1 9459.0 9468.3 9480.6 9505.1 9522.6 9516.9 9566.1 9569.7 9581.4
2005 9605.0 9620.3 9638.9 9679.5 9693.3 9698.8 9764.0 9781.8 9809.3 9825.6 9868.6 9885.2
2006 9925.1 9946.8 9986.6 10000.0 10025.3 10051.1 10059.3 10106.5 10139.8 10152.7 10178.2 10212.2
2007 10230.3 10269.5 10314.1 10337.5 10362.8 10394.3 10418.5 10433.4 10452.7 10485.9 10506.5 10526.3
2008 10561.5 10595.0 10587.7 10612.0 10616.2 10626.7 10639.9 10642.4 10607.4 10617.3 10605.2 10574.5
2009 10524.2 10462.4 10403.5 10343.4 10318.8 10291.8 10255.9 10231.0 10220.6 10214.4 10212.0 10209.0
2010 10234.9 10239.5 10275.0 10302.7 10357.9 10368.6 10350.3 10361.8 10361.6 10384.9 10403.3 10444.7
2011 10471.0 10488.9 10524.2 10554.5 10556.6 10590.5 10619.8
I can't help that yoiu don't uinderstand the difference between the debt and the deficit.So let me see if I have this right, in your personal budget you borrow money from the bank, in this case intergovt. holdings, and put it into your bank account. You then believe that you have a balanced budget? Interesting that you have a bank that gives you a gift and doesn't expect repayment. I certainly hope it was your money lent to the budget and not someone else's.
Yesterday you posted following, the first set of numbers is NOT seasonally adjusted and the second set IS seasonally adjusted. Could you explain why this is??
So, In other words, it is totally fictitious....These so called "saved jobs" are what ever Obama, and his supporters want to say they are....That is pure crap. I asked for a credible economist that could lay out the metrics, not some supporter with what they think...You can't provide that, which is no surprise really, because these "saved jobs" are a myth, they are part of the lie.
j-mac
I can't help that yoiu don't uinderstand the difference between the debt and the deficit.
Too funny, Con ...Yet amazingly Obama took office in January and those numbers are positive, so as usual distortion is what you do best
January 2009 8.6 million and July 2011 8.8 million jobs looks like a private sector job increase to me. Guess liberal math is different than the math the rest of us were taught.
2009 8599.3 8566.7 8555.5 8506.2 8507.6 8510.2 8464.7 8460.7 8409.8 8398.1 8416.0 8436.9 8486.0
2010 8282.2 8309.5 8385.5 8427.3 8474.8 8521.0 8511.7 8546.8 8531.5 8565.3 8595.5 8629.3 8481.7
2011 8483.2 8514.4 8612.0 8674.2 8704.8 8778.9 8804.4
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