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Obama's approval rating at 45%

It's not a chant, and it's not a mantra, and you should pay closer attention before disparage. Rasmussen polling - OTHER THAN ELECTION POLLING - is consistently biased to the right, and has outlier results.

Do you realize that these are two different claims? Even if you could prove the latter (which isn't really very important, for the reason I very patiently explained again), I don't even know what you would base such a ridiculous claim as the former on.

That he has such accurate ELECTION polling demonstrates that he does know how to construct a reliable poll, and chooses not to on issue and soft polling.

:rofl

Link?

So, get used to hearing it. Rasmussent polling - OUTSIDE OF ELECTION POLLING - sucks the big one and makes the right look foolish for quoting them so often.

So you're going to keep on chanting your mantra despite a total lack of evidence. Good to know.



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Rasmussen is historically wrong. Just look at the election.

I'm sorry, but what on earth are you talking about?


I just don't know where you're coming up with such demonstrable falsehoods.
 


Already answered your questions in the post before yours. There is ample evidence to go on, and you actually didn't even need me to post add'l links. You only needed to see the massive outlierness of the approval ratings of Rasmussen compared to 4 or 5 other polling firms posted earlier in the thread. Outlier results are not reliable.


Keep quoting them if you want, but realize it's only righties that do so. And, you will continue to be laughed at. It's funny as hell to see Fauxbots quoting Rasmussen - AGAIN. :lol:


ps - edit to add note as to your Fordham U quote. It has NOTHING to do with issue polling. It is already acknowledged that Rasmussen's election polling is not in the same class as his other polling. Election polling you can rely on, anything else - NOPE.
 
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For the person who mentioned Zogby (was it adst?), here is Nate Silver discussing how Zogby is the worst pollster in the world.

So let me get this straight:

When Nate Silver says that Zogby is the worst pollster in the world, you think it's the gospel truth and proves your point.

When Nate Silver says that Rasmussen is the best pollster out there, you think he's a filthy liar.

Do you read the things you write?

And here is Matthew Yglesias discussing why issue polling at Rasmussen is different than election polling (hint: Scott Rasmussen SELLS weekly issue polls, and his politics lean right, he was a paid consultant for GWB re-election).

Oh snap!


Wow, it's almost like he commissions special polls for those who pay him money in addition to his normal polls. That's totally different from every single other pollster on earth.

Damn bro, you've really cracked the case on this one.
 

Have you ever taken a statistics class in your life? Do you understand the difference between "all adults" and "likely voters"?

If the answer to both of those questions is yes, then there's no excuse for this post.
 


No, you really should pay attention. If you do not like Nate Silver, go google on your own. There are AMPLE sources out there showing Zogby sucks. Or, you could just do your own research, and compare Zogby polls to others.

If you're going to tout poll numbers, you should understand them.



edit to specifically AGAIN address this:

"When Nate Silver says that Rasmussen is the best pollster out there, you think he's a filthy liar."


Nate Silver says Rasmussen's ELECTION polling is the best out there. He said NO such thing about his issue polling. Search his site and learn. Try looking for his articles about Rasmussen's health insurance and public option polling. Hint: they suck.
 
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Have you ever taken a statistics class in your life? Do you understand the difference between "all adults" and "likely voters"?

If the answer to both of those questions is yes, then there's no excuse for this post.



Have you? You have not demonstrated that you understand how to evaluate the reliability of ANY poll.
 

And I'm asking you for any evidence to support this ridiculous claim.

If you'd bothered to read your yglesias article beyond the headline, you'd see that his sole criticism of Rasmussen's non-election polling is that he claims (without any evidence) that the wording of the questions is skewed. Setting aside the fact that the degree of skew is dependent on the baseline (which he neglets to discuss), how the **** is "Strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove" a "biased" question?

Have you? You have not demonstrated that you understand how to evaluate the reliability of ANY poll.

Yes, I have.

I'll ask again: Do you understand the difference between all adults and likely voters? If you did, you would understand why Rasmussen tends to be a few points lower than polls that use all adults. Do you understand why several polls using one methodology are no more authoritative than one poll using a different methodology if you're trying to reach an overall accurate result? If you had taken statistics, you would understand this.

Comparing Approval Ratings From Different Polling Firms - Rasmussen Reports

 


I gave evidence in this thread - showing other approval rating polls compared to Rasmussen's approval rating polls, Rasmussen was the outlier by 7 pts, not even in the ballpark.

I gave links to read on both Zogby (they suck) and Rasmussen (their issue polling is biased). You simply choose to ignore it.

Your continued questions about likely voters and adults are completely irrelevant, they have nothing to do with the problems cited with either Pollster. At least not by me.

As I said, continue to cite them. You will continue to be mocked for doing so. Righties lovvvvveeeesss them some Rasmussen. For a reason. They apparently like their news spun. :spin:


And, if you don't like Yglesias' article, do some research on your own. Search Nate Silver's site, as I suggested. Try a google. The info is there for you to find.

Or, simply, note the differences in results b/w Rasmussen issue polling and other pollster polling on the same topic. You will very often find outlier results (quite unlike his election polling).

And that new number Rasmussen started marketing at the end of 2008, the 'net approval number'? Yea, even he says he has no idea if it means anything, he just needs to have a way to market his product. He's selling, and the wingers are buying.
 
I gave evidence in this thread - showing other approval rating polls compared to Rasmussen's approval rating polls, Rasmussen was the outlier by 7 pts, not even in the ballpark.

And you still don't understand why this doesn't mean what you think it does.

I gave links to read on both Zogby (they suck) and Rasmussen (their issue polling is biased). You simply choose to ignore it.

No, I explained why your article re: rasmussen also didn't support your claim.

Your continued questions about likely voters and adults are completely irrelevant, they have nothing to do with the problems cited with either Pollster. At least not by me.

Because those cited problems are a load of ****.

As I said, continue to cite them. You will continue to be mocked for doing so. Righties lovvvvveeeesss them some Rasmussen. For a reason. They apparently like their news spun. :spin:

And I will continue to shake my head in embarrassment for your sake.

And, if you don't like Yglesias' article, do some research on your own. Search Nate Silver's site, as I suggested. Try a google. The info is there for you to find.

Sure, let me get on that and do your research for you.

Or, simply, note the differences in results b/w Rasmussen issue polling and other pollster polling on the same topic. You will very often find outlier results (quite unlike his election polling).

Again, you very clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

And that new number Rasmussen started marketing at the end of 2008, the 'net approval number'? Yea, even he says he has no idea if it means anything, he just needs to have a way to market his product. He's selling, and the wingers are buying.

So pretend that doesn't exist and look at the approve v. disapprove.

I'm not going to waste any more time arguing about this with you.
 



There is nothing to argue about. There is biased polling .... and justifications why it's the best thing since sliced bread. It's funny.

Like I said waaaayyyy earlier .... Righties LOVE them some Rasmussen.
 
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