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You are factually wrong on 3 of 3 well 4 of 4, anyway not a single accurate statement in theOP.
You are factually wrong on 3 of 3 well 4 of 4, anyway not a single accurate statement in theOP.
I'm no fan of Obama, but I believe he did speak during the 2008 election campaign about trying to do something about the high cost of healthcare in the US. Did he talk specifically about the monstrosity that is Obamacare - no - but to say that no one in America was interested in doing something about healthcare costs and availability would be false.
I wouldn't say nobody wanted the resultant legislation - there are definitely a slim majority who don't want Obamacare, but some of those are on the far left who want more - they want single payer, like in Canada, and feel that Obama misled them by not fighting for it. In addition, many people, including a lot of Republicans and conservatives like some of the pieces of Obamacare, but the negatives of the entirety of the bill outweighs the good parts.
I would definitely agree that Obamacare is a Frankenstein bill with mismatched pieces from a bunch of different agendas and it became too big and too unwieldly and congress simply ended up adopting it to get rid of it and move on to new business - many wanted something, anything to pass, and didn't care what was in it thinking they could fix it later - there's no fixing it though.
Thinking back to when this bill got passed, a few things come to mind:
1. Nobody wanted it.
2. Nobody cared/health care hadn't really been a top issue
3. The bill was too long for anybody to read before they were expected to vote on it
Obama was so overly adamant and overzealous about it, insisting they pass it without anybody knowing what's in it. It was too unusual and odd. Does anybody know the real reason this was forced on americans ?
There is an issue with the uninsured. There sure is. And we’ve got uninsured people in my state. But we’re providing health care for our people. One thing about insurance, that’s a Washington term. The question is, are people getting health care? And we’ve got a strong safety net. And there needs to be a safety net in America. There needs to be more community health clinics where the poor can go get health care. We need a program for the uninsured. They’ve been talking about it in Washington, D.C. The number of uninsured have now gone up for the past seven years.
We need a $2,000 credit, a rebate for working people who don’t have insurance, that they can use in the marketplace and start purchasing insurance. We need to allow small businesses to write insurance policies across jurisdictional lines so small business can afford health care. Health care needs to be affordable and available.
Completely wrong on all three counts. Perhaps you should watch the Frontline documentary, "The Deal". It lays out exactly how the PPACA (bka, "ObamaCare") ultimately came about.
1. The National Association of Insurance Commissioners wanted it, specifically the individual mandate, because they knew that such a health insurance reform policy provision would lead to more customers for the health insurance industry. Moreover, Republicans were for it before they were against it. They only used the "unconstitutional" line during the Clinton era because they knew that without a taxing provision such a "mandate" would never clear constitutional hurdles. This time, though, that old attack line didn't work. Justice Robert saw to that. :wink:
Completely wrong on all three counts. Perhaps you should watch the Frontline documentary, "The Deal". It lays out exactly how the PPACA (bka, "ObamaCare") ultimately came about.
1. The National Association of Insurance Commissioners wanted it, specifically the individual mandate, because they knew that such a health insurance reform policy provision would lead to more customers for the health insurance industry. Moreover, Republicans were for it before they were against it. They only used the "unconstitutional" line during the Clinton era because they knew that without a taxing provision such a "mandate" would never clear constitutional hurdles. This time, though, that old attack line didn't work. Justice Robert saw to that. :wink:
2. Not true. GWB wanted to do something about the national health care issue, but was advised not to take up the issue. Besides, he clearly had more pressing issues on his plate, i.e., two wars. But to the point...well, I'll let his words speak for him. Quoted commentary from 2000:
OMG! A $2,000 credit...a rebate for working people so that they can afford health insurance? The ability to sell health insurance across state lines? Affordable health care? How dare that big government socialist try to take over the health care system. Moreover, Democrats have cared about changing national health care since the Clinton era, but Republicans made damned sure that didn't happen by using the same old attack lines and misinformation they used way back then.
3. Now, here you got me...kinda. People still believe that the original 2,000 page draft of health care reform is the same bill that got signed into law. It's not. The actually bill that was signed into law, HR 3590, is ONLY 906 pages long.
As to the President being "so overly adamant and overzealous about it, insisting they pass it without anybody knowing what (was) in it", again watch the documentary and then you'll know exactly how health care reform really came about. It wasn't "too unusually" or "odd". And yes, I know the real reason the law came into being and how it eventually passed. Do you? Again, watch the documentary and then you'll know, too.
If you knew that the desire of certain people was to have socialized medicine in this country going all the way back to the 30's
If you knew that Medicare/Medicaid was a major step in that direction in the mid-60's
If you recall Hillary's failed attempt at this in the 90's
Then you'd have far fewer questions regarding this issue.
My question to you is: where do you think this will end up?
I don't know how far back in history the concept goes...
but there is this bit where a whole factory is considered the "group"
and we get "GROUP INSURANCE" given that group, as a concept
it would be a idea to make all of AMERICA the "group" however
administering that would be a bureaucratic nightmare.
The problem as I see it, is that the bureaucracy exists as an animal
that has a healthy self-preservation instinct and as such strives to
continue its existence and indeed grow, but will resist being down-sized
or discontinued. This is a problem for AMERICA, the Bureaucracy has taken
on a life of its own.... oops!
Just a P.S. to my last, May I suggest that people kvetch a lot to their congresspeople
and DEMAND that if indeed this new system is to be implemented, make it for EVERYBODY
that is congress & all of the GOV, must use the same system that the rank & file Voters/taxpayers use.
Completely wrong on all three counts. Perhaps you should watch the Frontline documentary, "The Deal". It lays out exactly how the PPACA (bka, "ObamaCare") ultimately came about.
1. The National Association of Insurance Commissioners wanted it, specifically the individual mandate, because they knew that such a health insurance reform policy provision would lead to more customers for the health insurance industry. Moreover, Republicans were for it before they were against it. They only used the "unconstitutional" line during the Clinton era because they knew that without a taxing provision such a "mandate" would never clear constitutional hurdles. This time, though, that old attack line didn't work. Justice Robert saw to that. :wink:
2. Not true. GWB wanted to do something about the national health care issue, but was advised not to take up the issue. Besides, he clearly had more pressing issues on his plate, i.e., two wars. But to the point...well, I'll let his words speak for him. Quoted commentary from 2000:
OMG! A $2,000 credit...a rebate for working people so that they can afford health insurance? The ability to sell health insurance across state lines? Affordable health care? How dare that big government socialist try to take over the health care system. Moreover, Democrats have cared about changing national health care since the Clinton era, but Republicans made damned sure that didn't happen by using the same old attack lines and misinformation they used way back then.
3. Now, here you got me...kinda. People still believe that the original 2,000 page draft of health care reform is the same bill that got signed into law. It's not. The actually bill that was signed into law, HR 3590, is ONLY 906 pages long.
As to the President being "so overly adamant and overzealous about it, insisting they pass it without anybody knowing what (was) in it", again watch the documentary and then you'll know exactly how health care reform really came about. It wasn't "too unusually" or "odd". And yes, I know the real reason the law came into being and how it eventually passed. Do you? Again, watch the documentary and then you'll know, too.
It's massiveness and purported urgency of its necessity was blown way out of proportion. They said 50 million people are uninsured so this is why we need this, but it has been argued that this was an exaggeration. Of those 50 million, 10 million were illegal aliens, and 20 million were simply people who made enough money to pay for their own healthcare. The 20 million remaining could always use the free clinics that are available. Most counties and states have their own programs that work just fine.
I live in OC California and I have MSI (medical services initiative) which I personally rate just as high as any expensive health care provider. So, I would have to say, then, that obamacare is 100% not needed, and the urgency of needing it that was displayed by obama is 100% BS. There's a reason they had to have this, and it's not healthcare. Normally, a bill that is met with so much opposition as this was, would be canned or shelved. No big deal, right? But that's not what happened. Obama and the 2 or 3 other people that wanted it, forced it down the throats of the rest of america, who strongly opposed it. It's odd and unusual and cause for suspicion. The hidden purpose remains to be seen.
As a final thought, does anybody agree that it should be unlawful to vote on a bill that you haven't read?
I just remember there were other far more important issues they were trying to take care of and america was on the verge of total financial collapse, but obama didn't want to do anything until this bill got passed. I remember thinking how weird his behavior was because he was pushing more important issues to the side and making obamacare his top priority, when it was very clear that nobody else shared his enthusiasm. On top of that, the cost of the bill at a time when we were literally teetering on financial collapse, was extremely out of place. So again, does anybody know or want to speculate on the real reason Obama had to force this on the american people? My BS meter is going haywire.
In 1798, the U.S. Congress passed a law called the 1799 Public Health Service Act. In it, 20 cents per month was pulled from the paychecks of merchant marines and used to build a hospitals in port cities to pay for their health care.
Or, as John Parascandola wrote, “One can think of this arrangement as the first health insurance scheme and the first HMO in America.”
That’s right: The U.S. has been trying to figure out how to pay for health care for 214 years.
If you knew that the desire of certain people was to have socialized medicine in this country going all the way back to the 30's
If you knew that Medicare/Medicaid was a major step in that direction in the mid-60's
If you recall Hillary's failed attempt at this in the 90's
Then you'd have far fewer questions regarding this issue.
My question to you is: where do you think this will end up?
It's massiveness and purported urgency of its necessity was blown way out of proportion. They said 50 million people are uninsured so this is why we need this, but it has been argued that this was an exaggeration. Of those 50 million, 10 million were illegal aliens, and 20 million were simply people who made enough money to pay for their own healthcare. The 20 million remaining could always use the free clinics that are available. Most counties and states have their own programs that work just fine.
I live in OC California and I have MSI (medical services initiative) which I personally rate just as high as any expensive health care provider. So, I would have to say, then, that obamacare is 100% not needed, and the urgency of needing it that was displayed by obama is 100% BS. There's a reason they had to have this, and it's not healthcare. Normally, a bill that is met with so much opposition as this was, would be canned or shelved. No big deal, right? But that's not what happened. Obama and the 2 or 3 other people that wanted it, forced it down the throats of the rest of america, who strongly opposed it. It's odd and unusual and cause for suspicion. The hidden purpose remains to be seen.
As a final thought, does anybody agree that it should be unlawful to vote on a bill that you haven't read?
As we all know - despite being a secret Muslim and Arab - Obama, like Saudi Arabia, is really controlled by Jews - who are overly represented in medicine/by Doctors.
In fact, Obama is a crypto-Jew (not really black) paying off his masters/mishpucha: the Free Mason/Illuminati/NWO/GoldmanSachs/Mossad cabal.
it is really simple folks
we are now all property of the state
to be disposed of as the regime see's fit
'that is all'
America you were quite a country RIP
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