Obamacare Navigators Counsel Applicants TO LIE and DEFRAUD

[trfjr]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

but did james O'Keeffe establish that this was standard practice for all navigators?

do you have to prove everyone in an organization committed a fraud before you can say an organization is guilty of fraud ?

 

[mak2]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

Is it standard operating procedure? Or a one time event? Or staged?

do you have to prove everyone in an organization committed a fraud before you can say an organization is guilty of fraud ?

 

[Grim17]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

do you have to prove everyone in an organization committed a fraud before you can say an organization is guilty of fraud ?

Honestly, I don't think there is anything that would get him to admit that... I could be wrong though, just look at how many on the left have denounced those workers so far.

 

[trfjr]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

Is it standard operating procedure? Or a one time event? Or staged?

im sure if it was staged you would have known it was by now, and O'Keefe has said they have many more videos to be released so we share soon know if it was just a two time incident or standard procedure

 

[clownboy]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

James O'Keefe is a known liar who used doctored video to take down ACORN. He is a proven fraud. He has zero credibility.

Only to folks who wanted desparately to defend ACORN. First statement is a lie.

 

[Grim17]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

im sure if it was staged you would have known it was by now, and O'Keefe has said they have many more videos to be released so we share soon know if it was just a two time incident or standard procedure

Anyone taking bets?

 

[Jetboogieman]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

Honestly, I don't think there is anything that would get him to admit that... I could be wrong though, just look at how many on the left have denounced those workers so far.

The point is this.

O'Keefe has a history of editing videos to make false claims.

Until we know more, I think some of us will suspend our disbelief as O'Keefe is known for using this tactic.

You can run away from that all you want, and if it turns out that the video is indeed in full context and legitimate you'll hear me call for action.

But unlike you I don't take known liars claims at face value just because he's conservative and is attacking something you don't like.

After all.

We know you would never associate yourself with liars would you Grim?

 

[Middleground]

Re: It's ACORN all over again... This time with Obamacare

The money paid for the illegal taping of another, in Calfornia, without the others consent.

Having difficulty with context, or are the ideological blinders getting in the way?

I know.

Now did you know the guy called the police after O'Keefe left the office? Was it not deceiving? (and please don't let the bliders affect your judgement)

 

[Grim17]

Re: It's ACORN all over again... This time with Obamacare

I know.

Then why did you try and use that to imply that content of the videos had been altered or manipulated?

 

[Grim17]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

The point is this.

O'Keefe has a history of editing videos to make false claims.

Until we know more, I think some of us will suspend our disbelief as O'Keefe is known for using this tactic.

You can run away from that all you want, and if it turns out that the video is indeed in full context and legitimate you'll hear me call for action.

But unlike you I don't take known liars claims at face value just because he's conservative and is attacking something you don't like.

After all.

We know you would never associate yourself with liars would you Grim?

What evidence do you have that the videos are fake?

If you don't have any, how about commenting on their content, and if they are found to be fake, no harm done.

EDIT: Of course we all know that the video's are absolutely legitimate.

 

[ocean515]

Re: It's ACORN all over again... This time with Obamacare

I know.

Now did you know the guy called the police after O'Keefe left the office? Was it not deceiving? (and please don't let the bliders affect your judgement)

I am aware of the incident. A comment was made about $100,000 being paid. The $100,000 was paid because of the illegal taping, not because of the content, as the poster implied.

Does that clarify the point?

 

[APACHERAT]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

he was the one to convince Fox to hire Greg Gutfeld and he also writes a weekly column for Breitbart

Yeah, that's the Breitbart connection to Red Eye. I believe Gutfeld was in England at the time.

I wonder who was behind the Leg Chair ?

 

[APACHERAT]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

The point is this.

O'Keefe has a history of editing videos to make false claims.

Until we know more, I think some of us will suspend our disbelief as O'Keefe is known for using this tactic.

You can run away from that all you want, and if it turns out that the video is indeed in full context and legitimate you'll hear me call for action.

But unlike you I don't take known liars claims at face value just because he's conservative and is attacking something you don't like.

After all.

We know you would never associate yourself with liars would you Grim?

Obama is a liar big time. Would you associate with Obama or even vote for a liar like Obama ?

 

[Jack Fabulous]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

The point is this.

O'Keefe has a history of editing videos to make false claims.

Until we know more, I think some of us will suspend our disbelief as O'Keefe is known for using this tactic.

You can run away from that all you want, and if it turns out that the video is indeed in full context and legitimate you'll hear me call for action.

But unlike you I don't take known liars claims at face value just because he's conservative and is attacking something you don't like.

After all.

We know you would never associate yourself with liars would you Grim?

He also has a history of uncovering some very uncomfortable truths about what goes on behind the scenes. He's basically an investigative journalist with an axe to grind and a rather cavalier attitude about ethics. I look at his work very skeptically and wouldn't rely on it as anything more than an ancillary source in need of corroboration... but that doesn't mean that we should just dismiss his work out of hand. He does get it right from time to time.

 

[pbrauer]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

Only to folks who wanted desparately to defend ACORN. First statement is a lie.

You generalize, even if those videos were honest, it only shows the people in them as dishonest, not the organization. I am sure you wouldn't indict Walmart if some of their employees were steeling merchandise. By the way, did you notice James O'Keefe likes picking on black people? I am not saying he's racist, but using the same logic you people use he is.

Find it very interesting that so many people on the right got suckered by this video. LMMFAO. James O'Keefe doesn't have to worry about his next meal with so may suckers around.

 

[Grim17]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

You generalize, even if those videos were honest, it only shows the people in them as dishonest, not the organization. I am sure you wouldn't indict Walmart if some of their employees were steeling merchandise. By the way, did you notice James O'Keefe likes picking on black people? I am not saying he's racist, but using the same logic you people use he is.

Huh? Walmart... Employee theft??

Find it very interesting that so many people on the right got suckered by this video. LMMFAO. James O'Keefe doesn't have to worry about his next meal with so may suckers around.

Suckered?

So you have confirmed that the video is a fraud?

Please post the link that proves this... That goes for you too mak, since you like his post so much.

 

[pbrauer]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

Huh? Walmart... Employee theft??



Suckered?

So you have confirmed that the video is a fraud?

Please post the link that proves this... That goes for you too mak, since you like his post so much.

Yes, suckered!!! What does the video prove about Obamacare Navagators??? Nada

 

[Grim17]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

He also has a history of uncovering some very uncomfortable truths about what goes on behind the scenes. He's basically an investigative journalist with an axe to grind and a rather cavalier attitude about ethics. I look at his work very skeptically and wouldn't rely on it as anything more than an ancillary source in need of corroboration... but that doesn't mean that we should just dismiss his work out of hand. He does get it right from time to time.

But the guy showed himself entering an ACORN office with pimp clothes on, when he really wore a business suite, which as you know means those ACORN workers were all victims of edited and manipulated videos and never really said any of that stuff... Good lord man, common sense is not welcome here, so shooo, shoooo.

<sarcasm off>

 

[Grim17]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

Yes, suckered!!! What does the video prove about Obamacare Navagators??? Nada

And there we have it... Full blown denial of the facts...

What took you so long Pete?

 

[What if...?]

Re: It's ACORN all over again... This time with Obamacare

you can clearly hear them ask the question should I report all income and you can clearly hear the answer not to if you haven't done it in the past don't start now
If you can prove that there was editing involved in that exchange have at it

you can clearly hear the question should I put down that I smoke and you can clearly hear the navigator say no lie I lie all the time
if you can prove there was any editing going on in that exchange have at it

there was no cut out or in on the video or the audio it was one continuous take on both exchanges nothing said before the exchange or after the exchange will change the content of the released exchange

The real question is always how many "subjects" told them NOT to lie, flagged their call or outright reported them.

The guy who sued was portrayed as a criminal but was trying to keep them there for the cops.

"Find somebody shady and paint the entire group as shady. And if that doesn't work, edit the hell oit of it til it looks that way". Is O'Keefes modus operandi.

Like the shots of him dressed like a pimp and the girl dressed like a prosititute. He NEVER went into an office dressed like that. But he made it LOOK like he did.

He also made it appear he was doing a "good" thing, saving young prostitutes "on the downlow", illegals etc. And THAT is where some of the "inappropriate" episodes stemmed from.

Maybe he's changed.

Shouldn't have gone out of his way to lie to me more than once before.

Don't care if the wolf eats him.

 

[Grim17]

Re: It's ACORN all over again... This time with Obamacare

And if that doesn't work, edit the hell oit of it til it looks that way".

Oh yes, when he showed himself walking into the office wearing pimp clothes... That sure did change everything all of those ACORN people said.

LMMFAO

 

[pbrauer]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

And there we have it... Full blown denial of the facts...

What took you so long Pete?

So you think they're all like the ones portrayed in the video?

 

[Grim17]

Re: It's ACORN all over again... This time with Obamacare

We're about to hit 150 posts, and still not one person on the left has denounced or had as much as a harsh word for the people who were hired by the government, who were telling people how to defraud the government.

 

[Grim17]

Re: Project Veratas does it Again

So you think they're all like the ones portrayed in the video?

Sorry Pete, not playing you games... You just denied that those people even did anything wrong, I called you on it, and now you are trying to steer the conversation away from that rediculous statement of yours...

No thanks... You get to stew for a while on this one.

 

[Middleground]

Re: It's ACORN all over again... This time with Obamacare

I am aware of the incident. A comment was made about $100,000 being paid. The $100,000 was paid because of the illegal taping, not because of the content, as the poster implied.

Does that clarify the point?

No. The implication is that the guy is still guilty of what-the-****-ever, in your mind and other partisans, that indeed he did do something illegal. In your mind and others who choose to have less vision than Stevie Wonder are using the "but.. but... but... the payout was because he was filmed illegally!1!111!!," angle as a way to diminish O'Keefe deceptive practices. Which, by the way, is incredibly asinine, IMO.