Obamacare is Back.

[Luther]

Single-payer is the solution to the healthcare mess.

Yes, this explains how people who have to purchase supplemental insurance when they have Medicare(LOL)

 

[Port & Starboard]

Yes, this explains how people who have to purchase supplemental insurance when they have Medicare(LOL)

The VA and Medicare are prime examples of waste and cost overruns and people still scream about the Single payer utopia.

$50 Billion in Medicare Waste? That's an Understatement. - Bracker & Marcus LLC

$50 Billion in Medicare Waste? That's an Understatement. - False Claims Act Lawyers, Bracker and Marcus LLC

www.fcacounsel.com

Medicare: Actions Needed to Better Manage Fraud Risks

Medicare improper payments were estimated to be about $52 billion in fiscal year 2017. As program spending increases, the cost of fraud could increase...

www.gao.gov

VA healthcare remains a high waste and management risk

The Government Accountability Office said the VA has made some progress in meeting goals to improve its healthcare IT, but it's still a far cry from fixing its chronic IT issues.

www.modernhealthcare.com

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Slightly higher....eh?

Canada has major issues of it's own with healthcare.

Reforming Canada’s Failing Health Care System | Frontier Centre For Public Policy

fcpp.org

U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective, 2019: Higher Spending, Worse Outcomes?

Americans are living shorter, unhealthier lives. Yet, the United States outspends other wealthy nations when it comes to health care, according to a new Commonwealth Fund report. This analysis compares the U.S. to 10 other high-income nations on spending, outcomes, risk factors, and quality.

www.commonwealthfund.org

Frontier Centre for Public Policy

Frontier Centre for Public Policy (FCPP) Background The Frontier Centre for Public Policy (FCPP) is a “research and education charity” registered in both Canada and the United States. It was founded in 1999 by “philanthropic foundations seeking to help voters and policy makers improve their...

www.desmogblog.com

man oh man you had to dig down deep for that one, but clearly you missed MY evidence from experience. Those in support of private insurance always decry any form of universal health care, but ask anyone living in any of the countries if they prefer their system to yours.

 

[Montgomery]

At 2.4 trillion per year?

Can the U.S. Government Afford a Single-Payer Health System? - Healthcare Management Degree Guide

Healthcare is a very popular, but sensitive subject in today’s world. With much of the world focusing on single-payer health systems, the U.S. has been slowly wondering if we should follow suit. And while the [...]

www.healthcare-management-degree.net

The Urban Institute estimated that a single-payer health system would cost an additional $32 trillion over the next decade, in addition to what the country already pays for Medicare and Medicaid. Most other organizations estimated roughly the same; with cost numbers ranging from $2.4-$2.8 trillion per year.

2020 revenue was around 3.4 billion and we spent 6.6 trillion anyways.

Where will they generate enough taxes to pay for it?

Simple facts are, government can do it cheaper, for everybody in the country, and of better quality.

Americans can punish themselves til hell freezes over if they like.

 

[Montgomery]

U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective, 2019: Higher Spending, Worse Outcomes?

Americans are living shorter, unhealthier lives. Yet, the United States outspends other wealthy nations when it comes to health care, according to a new Commonwealth Fund report. This analysis compares the U.S. to 10 other high-income nations on spending, outcomes, risk factors, and quality.

www.commonwealthfund.org

Frontier Centre for Public Policy

Frontier Centre for Public Policy (FCPP) Background The Frontier Centre for Public Policy (FCPP) is a “research and education charity” registered in both Canada and the United States. It was founded in 1999 by “philanthropic foundations seeking to help voters and policy makers improve their...

www.desmogblog.com

man oh man you had to dig down deep for that one, but clearly you missed MY evidence from experience. Those in support of private insurance always decry any form of universal health care, but ask anyone living in any of the countries if they prefer their system to yours.

Don't waste too much time debating Americans on health care. Their minds are made up and the light hasn't come on in their heads yet for some reason.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Don't waste too much time debating Americans on health care. Their minds are made up and the light hasn't come on in their heads yet for some reason.

They fear SOCIALISM!

 

[Montgomery]

They fear SOCIALISM! View attachment 67316438

They invent the claim of socialism even for Canada. There's still a 'commie' under every American's bed that bites off toes and they have people limping around to prove it.

It's become a useless waste of time in trying to tell them that they're being ripped off by big business health care. Their system is rated as the poorest of all modern first world countries, but they still know that America's system is the best, greatest, finest, super good, .......... Oh say can you see, by the dawn's load of bulls--t?

 

[Port & Starboard]

Simple facts are, government can do it cheaper, for everybody in the country, and of better quality.

Americans can punish themselves til hell freezes over if they like.

I think you like throwing anything out there just to see if it sticks.

 

[Taylor]

Simple facts are, government can do it cheaper, for everybody in the country, and of better quality.

Yes, people are always crowing about their quality government heathcare! My dad was super-excited that his cheap, "for-everybody" healthcare made him jump through hoops for well over a year before Medicare would pay for what his doctors knew he needed. Having any sort of quality of life is overrated anyway.

 

[Montgomery]

Yes, people are always crowing about their quality government heathcare! My dad was super-excited that his cheap, "for-everybody" healthcare made him jump through hoops for well over a year before Medicare would pay for what his doctors knew he needed. Having any sort of quality of life is overrated anyway.

Not quite sure what you're trying to say Taylor, but it must be something silly?
Your dad wouldn't be allowed to get free hair transplants with Canada's system.

 

[Montgomery]

I think you like throwing anything out there just to see if it sticks.

No, but I expect ongoing denial for the foreseeable future. Bewildering to say the least.

 

[Montgomery]

Yes, this explains how people who have to purchase supplemental insurance when they have Medicare(LOL)

That's because America won't accept the whole universal health care system, which is superior to the US system in all the countries that have it.
The big insurance companies have a hold on the government and government can't break free because of big payouts from the corporations that thrive off of the backs of the people.
Huge corporate profits are skimmed off the top and that make America's health care twice as expensive than even Canada's. And Canada's isn't the best.

 

[Luther]

That's because America won't accept the whole universal health care system, which is superior to the US system in all the countries that have it.
The big insurance companies have a hold on the government and government can't break free because of big payouts from the corporations that thrive off of the backs of the people.
Huge corporate profits are skimmed off the top and that make America's health care twice as expensive than even Canada's. And Canada's isn't the best.

That's because America won't accept the whole universal health care system

What a bunch of BS

For years we have had it drawn from our paychecks(Without a choice) $$$$ promised that we will have MEDICAL at age 65. Some don't even live to see it, AAnd we have to buy supplemental Insurance?


Your Gov at work

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Do we finally get our death panels? We were promised death panels, dammit!

 

[rocket88]

Obamacare is back: Biden signs executive orders on healthcare, reinstates abortion funding

President Joe Biden has signed two executive orders on healthcare. His decrees reopen enrollment for the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, and lift a Trump administration ban on funding for nonprofits that promote abortion.

www.rt.com

I've posted this link from RT.com because it's less politically slanted than any MSM American site. I hope this meets the requirements of this section.
RT.com makes some very good points on the topic. It also makes the point that Biden says he's just taking it back to what it was before Trump.

Russia Today, a company wholly owned and operated by the Kremlin isn't biased?

More on topic, Obamacare never left.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

What a bunch of BS

For years we have had it drawn from our paychecks(Without a choice) $$$$ promised that we will have MEDICAL at age 65. Some don't even live to see it, AAnd we have to buy supplemental Insurance?


Your Gov at work

Do you know why we have Medicare?

We have Medicare because some very smart people back in the 1950s recognized that the "Baby Boom" that was happening at the time was going to have dire consequences in the future. Private health insurance companies have no interest in insuring senior citizens, as they tend to get sick and cost a lot. So unless the government stepped in and provided coverage, we were going to have millions of old sick people with no access to healthcare. Medicare was the solution.

In spite of the BS spouted by the right, Medicare has proved to be one of the most popular, beneficial, and efficient government programs ever conceived. Millions and millions of seniors have benefited over the decades since its inception. With no overhead for marketing and advertising or shareholder profits, Medicare provides a higher percentage of dollars for direct healthcare than any private insurance company.

Now that the government is doing all the heavy lifting, private insurance companies step in and offer "supplemental" insurance for those who can afford it. They are not mandatory. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but remember, those supplemental plans are VERY profitable for the insurance companies.

 

[gbg3]

U.S. Health Care from a Global Perspective, 2019: Higher Spending, Worse Outcomes?

Americans are living shorter, unhealthier lives. Yet, the United States outspends other wealthy nations when it comes to health care, according to a new Commonwealth Fund report. This analysis compares the U.S. to 10 other high-income nations on spending, outcomes, risk factors, and quality.

www.commonwealthfund.org

Frontier Centre for Public Policy

Frontier Centre for Public Policy (FCPP) Background The Frontier Centre for Public Policy (FCPP) is a “research and education charity” registered in both Canada and the United States. It was founded in 1999 by “philanthropic foundations seeking to help voters and policy makers improve their...

www.desmogblog.com

man oh man you had to dig down deep for that one, but clearly you missed MY evidence from experience. Those in support of private insurance always decry any form of universal health care, but ask anyone living in any of the countries if they prefer their system to yours.

No one has to dig down deep for articles about wait times in Canada for joint replacements, MRIs, back surgeries, etc.. They are terrible and well known to Americans, Europeans, Australians and more. Most everyone knows of a Canadian suffering in pain from one of these issues and having no choice but to come south of the border to address it as a completely out of pocket expense (including the required lodging expense for their concerned spouse) to a Canadian!

 

[JMB802]

No one has to dig down deep for articles about wait times in Canada for joint replacements, MRIs, back surgeries, etc.. They are terrible and well known to Americans, Europeans, Australians and more. Most everyone knows of a Canadian suffering in pain from one of these issues and having no choice but to come south of the border to address it as a completely out of pocket expense (including the required lodging expense for their concerned spouse) to a Canadian!

"Most everyone knows of a Candadian suffering in pain ..." Do you have any facts to back up the multiple assertions in your post?

 

[Callen]

Most everyone knows of a Canadian suffering in pain from one of these issues and having no choice but to come south of the border to address it as a completely out of pocket expense (including the required lodging expense for their concerned spouse) to a Canadian!

Most everyone? What total BS that entire post is!

 

[tanj]

Obamacare? you mean Obama's third term...

 

[GDViking]

Good. Now, we need to tweak it.

It was always intended to be fluid, nobody Believed that it was the ultimate answer.
That is what Pelosi meant by needing to pass it for it to pass.
It was the first step in the right direction, now it's time to tweak it and continuously Improve it.

Repeal and replace was an obvious lie, it's time to come to reallity and do whats rright for our nation...

 

[Greenbeard]

Obamacare? you mean Obama's third term...

Bidencare! Obamacare, but better.

 

[GDViking]

Yes, this explains how people who have to purchase supplemental insurance when they have Medicare(LOL)

Yeah that was he free market idiots having their say.
Insurance companies had to get their hand in the cookie jar.

We will never have a great healthcare system until we remove profits from it.

The same with education need to get rid of for profit schools that taxpayers are paying tuition for...

 

[GDViking]

The VA and Medicare are prime examples of waste and cost overruns and people still scream about the Single payer utopia.

$50 Billion in Medicare Waste? That's an Understatement. - Bracker & Marcus LLC

$50 Billion in Medicare Waste? That's an Understatement. - False Claims Act Lawyers, Bracker and Marcus LLC

www.fcacounsel.com

Medicare: Actions Needed to Better Manage Fraud Risks

Medicare improper payments were estimated to be about $52 billion in fiscal year 2017. As program spending increases, the cost of fraud could increase...

www.gao.gov

VA healthcare remains a high waste and management risk

The Government Accountability Office said the VA has made some progress in meeting goals to improve its healthcare IT, but it's still a far cry from fixing its chronic IT issues.

www.modernhealthcare.com

So your retired Navy, do you pay for your own healthcare or do we pay for it and you just sit around and bitch about your free healthcare???

 

[notquiteright]

Slightly higher....eh? Canada has major issues of it's own with healthcare.

Your link is a biased commentary. The author claims 400,000 Canadians left for medical treatment- actually half that many did- the rest accompanied the patients...

Now a Harvard study in 2009 says 45,000 Americans die each year for lack of medical insurance.

A 2015 report from us International trade commission states as many Americans leave the US each year for medical care.

Many retirees are moving to Texas, not in leave libruls behind but to be close to Mexico to fill their prescriptions at a far cheaper price.

So there are a lot of factors going into healthcare issues- one biggie is Canadian Doctors are coming to America drawn by the much higher fees they can charge and that can increase wait times.

Now my VA annual is Feb 11 so I don't have a pig at the BBQ... ✌