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Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Passed,

Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Life hack: Join the military, deploy, become a veteran, be exempt from ObamaCare for life.
Maybe. Maybe not. Prior to age 65 retired military must enroll in Medicare. Those two will be one if Obamacare remains.
 
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Why not stay on topic? Or, this is the best you got to discuss the issue?

You might want to check your panty. I believe there is evidence it is too small. Or maybe it has inconveniently bunched.
 
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No, this is un-American. We fight tyranny. Perhaps you believe you are pragmatic. Socialism, wealth redistribution, is a foreign idea that has no place here. It is a horrible European invention that needs to be quarantined.

I agree but the reality is America is becoming used to freebees and once they get something for free it is virtually impossible to take it back. The old toothpaste out of the tube thing.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

A 3rd video emerges.. This time it's pretty clear he's calling supporters of Obamacare stupid for not realizing that putting taxes on the insurance company are really just a tax on the person purchasing the insurance through increased premiums. I've had conversations with people here, in the past, who claim that's just not true. Apaprently these comments were directed to tose individuals, who i will not name.

Yet another video shows ObamaCare architect disparaging voter intelligence | Fox News
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Tell that to SCOTUS. This Law was argued before them and presented as a tax. But that word is often political suicide-so it was presented to the American people as a fine.

Lets not try to hide things behind words.

SCOTUS is frequently wrong. Use your own brain instead. Its not a tax. A tax is on something you do. Not on something you dont do. And there is no reason to use the "mandate is a tax" as an argument, when the real taxes are clearly labeled under the section titled "revenue provisions".
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

A 3rd video emerges.. This time it's pretty clear he's calling supporters of Obamacare stupid for not realizing that putting taxes on the insurance company are really just a tax on the person purchasing the insurance through increased premiums. I've had conversations with people here, in the past, who claim that's just not true. Apaprently these comments were directed to tose individuals, who i will not name.

Yet another video shows ObamaCare architect disparaging voter intelligence | Fox News

Here are the comments:


“We just tax the insurance companies, they pass on higher prices that offsets the tax break we get, it ends up being the same thing. It’s a very clever, you know, basic exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the American voter,” Gruber said in remarks from 2012 that aired Wednesday evening on “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren.”
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

The best response I've read to date about this video is here:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/11/jonathan-gruber-says-nothing-new-gets-hammered-it

But if we can take just a half step up from radio yammerhead land, did Gruber say anything that isn't common knowledge? I'm not playing faux naive here. I'm serious. Basically, Gruber said two things.

First, he noted that it was important to make sure the mandate wasn't scored as a tax by the CBO. Indeed it was, and this was a topic of frequent discussion while the bill was being debated. We can all argue about whether this was an example of the CBO scoring process being gamed, but it has nothing to do with the American voter. Rather, it has everything to do with the American congressman, who's afraid to vote for anything unless it comes packaged with a nice, neat bow bearing an arbitrary, predetermined price tag.

As for risk-rated subsidies, I don't even know what Gruber is talking about here. Of course healthy people pay in and sick people get money. It's health insurance. That's how it works. Once again, this was a common topic of discussion while the bill was being debated—in fact, one that opponents of the bill talked about constantly. They complained endlessly that healthy young people would pay relatively higher rates than they deserved, while older, sicker people would get a relative break on their premiums. This was no big secret, but the bill passed anyway.

It's true that the average Joe didn't know anything about this, but not because the average Joe is stupid. It's because most people simply don't pay attention to this stuff even slightly. The fraction of the electorate that cares about the minutiae of policymaking could be stored in a pickle jar. That's just life.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

A 3rd video emerges.. This time it's pretty clear he's calling supporters of Obamacare stupid for not realizing that putting taxes on the insurance company are really just a tax on the person purchasing the insurance through increased premiums. I've had conversations with people here, in the past, who claim that's just not true. Apaprently these comments were directed to tose individuals, who i will not name.

Yet another video shows ObamaCare architect disparaging voter intelligence | Fox News


I like the way they are releasing it out.....there will be another and then it hits the Weekend Repeat cycle. ;)
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

The best response I've read to date about this video is here:

Jonathan Gruber Says Nothing New, Gets Hammered For It | Mother Jones

Sorry, but that excuse won't fly...because before and after Obamacare was shoved down our throats people were complaining about being lied to by the Democrats. Now we have the truth from the horse's mouth.

I applaud Mother Jones for trying to make excuses to reduce the damage, but unless they really DO think the American People are stupid, they should try to do better than this.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Sorry, but that excuse won't fly...because before and after Obamacare was shoved down our throats people were complaining about being lied to by the Democrats. Now we have the truth from the horse's mouth.

I applaud Mother Jones for trying to make excuses to reduce the damage, but unless they really DO think the American People are stupid, they should try to do better than this.

I figured you would automatically dismiss it.

But I posted it so that others with a bit more learning capacity and less reflexive partisanship can learn and understand.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

I figured you would automatically dismiss it.

But I posted it so that others with a bit more learning capacity and less reflexive partisanship can learn and understand.

LOL!!

Nah...you posted it with the hopes of influencing some stupid American on this forum.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

I figured you would automatically dismiss it.

But I posted it so that others with a bit more learning capacity and less reflexive partisanship can learn and understand.
It seem you still don't understand what happened. The co-designer of Obamacare called its supporters "stupid", and did it more than once. And now you, as an obvious supporter, feel it is others who lack learning capacity?? You can't see that you, and Mother Jones, are just underscoring what he said?

Maybe you just need more time to think about this.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Plastic Pelosi is now saying she doesn't know who Gruber is...after she referenced him back in 2009 when she was trying to sell Obamacare.

Nancy Pelosi says she doesn’t know who Jonathan Gruber is. She touted his work in 2009. - The Washington Post
Pelosi is absolutely shameless so this comes as no surprise. I keep wondering how the voters in her district can keep sending her back to Washington.<SMH>
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Imagine that.....now more and more Democrats are sounding off about this guy. Howard Dean called him an Elitist. :lol:
And Dean is right. Although he takes up space that might be better used, Dean at least doesn't deny what Gruber said or his role in Obamacare.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Pelosi is absolutely shameless so this comes as no surprise. I keep wondering how the voters in her district can keep sending her back to Washington.<SMH>
And the same with Reid. Why do they support these people?
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

It seem you still don't understand what happened. The co-designer of Obamacare called its supporters "stupid", and did it more than once. And now you, as an obvious supporter, feel it is others who lack learning capacity?? You can't see that you, and Mother Jones, are just underscoring what he said?

Maybe you just need more time to think about this.

Given the fact that you seem to have no problem calling the supporters stupid, I'm confused on what you think the big deal is.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

And the same with Reid. Why do they support these people?

Heya Grant. :2wave: Reid is the only Democrat to win in Nevada. As the GOP took all 3 branches of government. Winning all seats in the current election.

So while Reid has his gravitas in DC. He has become irrelevant in Nevada, nor will he be representing the people.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Heya Grant. :2wave: Reid is the only Democrat to win in Nevada. As the GOP took all 3 branches of government. Winning all seats in the current election.

So while Reid has his gravitas in DC. He has become irrelevant in Nevada, nor will he be representing the people.
HI and Cheers, MMC, and that's great, but it still doesn't explain why Nevadans vote for him. Is it just a matter of bringing back the pork?
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

HI and Cheers, MMC, and that's great, but it still doesn't explain why Nevadans vote for him. Is it just a matter of bringing back the pork?

I am not real familiar with their politics out there.....but lets look at like this. Where Harry did have support, Politically in that state.....well, that's all gone. So maybe whatever district he lives in, and that workers service union.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

I am not real familiar with their politics out there.....but lets look at like this. Where Harry did have support, Politically in that state.....well, that's all gone. So maybe whatever district he lives in, and that workers service union.
Las Vegas is heavily unionized and he gets a lot of his support there.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

I agree but the reality is America is becoming used to freebees and once they get something for free it is virtually impossible to take it back. The old toothpaste out of the tube thing.
Nonsense. You are a defeatist. Wear your chains as lightly as possible. Lick the hand of the one who gives you the scraps from his table. Depart from me. You have no part in this fight. You are not my brother.
 
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