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Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Passed,

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.....like all things in the end. The truth comes out. Actually came out last year but the MS media had a lot of other things to cover. Now it comes back around for BO's next enrollment period. There you have it.....this MIT guy calling the American Voter stupid, and how they had to do BO care to get it passed. It was like most on the Right were saying all along. Now a BO bot admits to it......thinking nothing can be done to repeal BO care and Put BO on a direct confrontation with the People.

With the Republicans winning the Senate.....and having the house. They can repeal. Sure BO can veto.....and now SCOTUS will see there was a deliberate intention to deceive the CBO and the American people. All over BO's wealth distribution plan. Some have said the Repubs shouldn't......but for all of them. They ran on the issue BO care. All across the country. That was the American people talking. Now they expect a return upon their votes.




Meet Jonathan Gruber, a professor at MIT and an architect of Obamacare. During a panel event last year about how the legislation passed, turning over a sixth of the U.S. economy to the government, Gruber admitted that the Obama administration went through "tortuous" measures to keep the facts about the legislation from the American people, including covering up the redistribution of wealth from the healthy to the sick in the legislation that Obamacare is in fact a tax. The video of his comments just recently surfaced ahead of the second open enrollment period for Obamacare at Healthcare.gov.

"You can't do it political, you just literally cannot do it. Transparent financing and also transparent spending. I mean, this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes the bill dies. Okay? So it’s written to do that," Gruber said. "In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in, you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed. Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical to get for the thing to pass. Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not.".....snip~

Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Passed - Katie Pavlich


Here is BO in 2009.....knowingly knowing he was lying to the American people. That he had lied to the CBO and SCOTUS. How do you think this will affect BO's team that is in the court with a couple of issues already? Should the Republicans now go forward with the Repeal of BO care?

 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Here is Senator Cruz on Election night, explaining how the GOP can take down BO care by passing legislation. He already knows and admits BO will Veto. Which he says use reconciliation. Then let BO veto. Then listen to what he says should be done and the Repubs can do. Taking BO care down piece by piece. Maybe enough to even cause BO to give up his own signature legislation.....that is now being validated that it was achieved, thru deceitful means.

 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Obama lied because he knew if he could get the law passed and get enough free or subsidized health care for enough people the law would be permanent. Once people are getting something from gov it is virtually impossible to take it away. That was his plan and it worked so if you are one of the more well to do people paying more for insurance so that poor people get free insurance you better just get used to it.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

I mean, this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes the bill dies
yet Roberts ruled the mandate a tax...Kinna reminds me of the Pelosi "we have to pass it to see what's in it" statement/
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Obama lied because he knew if he could get the law passed and get enough free or subsidized health care for enough people the law would be permanent. Once people are getting something from gov it is virtually impossible to take it away. That was his plan and it worked so if you are one of the more well to do people paying more for insurance so that poor people get free insurance you better just get used to it.
Life hack: Join the military, deploy, become a veteran, be exempt from ObamaCare for life.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

he's right, they lied and the American people are stupid.


common sense dictates that in order to pay for more people to be insured and discounted do to icon and to cover pre-existing conditions, someone else (you and me) had to pay more.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Obama lied because he knew if he could get the law passed and get enough free or subsidized health care for enough people the law would be permanent. Once people are getting something from gov it is virtually impossible to take it away. That was his plan and it worked so if you are one of the more well to do people paying more for insurance so that poor people get free insurance you better just get used to it.

I believe it is this president's and his administration, and the other Democrats for that matter, all their lying about this, which is what caused the election results.

No one likes being lied to. No one.
No one likes being called stupid. No one.
No one likes being talked to in a condescending manner. No one.

And with this attitude you expected a good election result? :lamo
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Life hack: Join the military, deploy, become a veteran, be exempt from ObamaCare for life.

Why not stay on topic? Or, this is the best you got to discuss the issue?
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

I am thoroughly convinced that people (for the most part) live in a bubble. They don't pay attention to details until it smacks them in the head.

I am totally convinced that this administration was counting on that with the how and when they implemented barrycare.

Barry was singing lullabies to the low informed when he was spewing his lies leading up to the implementation of this debacle.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Where is it saying he lied?
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Why not stay on topic?
That was on-topic. Veterans are exempt from ObamaCare. We never have to sign up for it, ever.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

That was on-topic. Veterans are exempt from ObamaCare. We never have to sign up for it, ever.

not really
But....a tip of the hat to you for being a veteran.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Yes really, we're exempt from ObamaCare.

Not what I was responding to in your post. Being a vet and bypassing Obamacare really wasn't the discussion.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Not what I was responding to in your post. Being a vet and bypassing Obamacare really wasn't the discussion.
Then I don't know why you're talking about it. People comment, that's part of having placed the thread in the open forum instead of somewhere else. Don't like something someone says then you're free to ignore it.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Then I don't know why you're talking about it. People comment, that's part of having placed the thread in the open forum instead of somewhere else. Don't like something someone says then you're free to ignore it.
Your right, I tend to ignore s*** except for when I step in it. my bad
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Obama lied because he knew if he could get the law passed and get enough free or subsidized health care for enough people the law would be permanent. Once people are getting something from gov it is virtually impossible to take it away. That was his plan and it worked so if you are one of the more well to do people paying more for insurance so that poor people get free insurance you better just get used to it.


Heya LS. :2wave: So far his plan isn't working out to good and people are letting it be known. Plus now we are paying out more just to get his Website working.

Did you hear how Cruz said it needs to be done to take it apart piece by piece?
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Where is it saying he lied?

Right there in the Video with George in 2009 where he states its not a tax. But it always was, even before SCOTUS said it was.

How do you feel now knowing BO's plan was based on tricking you?
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Right there in the Video with George in 2009 where he states its not a tax. But it always was, even before SCOTUS said it was.

How do you feel now knowing BO's plan was based on tricking you?

There seems to be a great many who still don't understand, or won't admit, they were dupes. That means it is likely to happen again. And again.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Heya LS. :2wave: So far his plan isn't working out to good and people are letting it be known. Plus now we are paying out more just to get his Website working.

Did you hear how Cruz said it needs to be done to take it apart piece by piece?

If anyone with subsidized insurance loses coverage because of something reps do the media will crucify them. Politicians are gutless wonders who want nothing more than to stay in power so I just don't see obamacare going away. They may modify it slightly in order to be able to claim they did something and satisfy their constituents but that is all they will do
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

If anyone with subsidized insurance loses coverage because of something reps do the media will crucify them. Politicians are gutless wonders who want nothing more than to stay in power so I just don't see obamacare going away. They may modify it slightly in order to be able to claim they did something and satisfy their constituents but that is all they will do


Conservative has the discussion going here. ;)

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...tupidity-american-voter-9.html#post1063968155
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

If anyone with subsidized insurance loses coverage because of something reps do the media will crucify them. Politicians are gutless wonders who want nothing more than to stay in power so I just don't see obamacare going away. They may modify it slightly in order to be able to claim they did something and satisfy their constituents but that is all they will do

I just lost my insurance as a result of Obamacare.

5 years ago, I had a major medical plan that was $99 a month. Then I switched jobs and got a comprehensive plan that was $350 ish a month on my end ($500 ish more on their end). Next, I've lost comprehensive, pay closer to $600 a month and I'm back to a major medical plan.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

I just lost my insurance as a result of Obamacare.

5 years ago, I had a major medical plan that was $99 a month. Then I switched jobs and got a comprehensive plan that was $350 ish a month on my end ($500 ish more on their end). Next, I've lost comprehensive, pay closer to $600 a month and I'm back to a major medical plan.


Heya KA. :2wave: Yeah, I know several that lost theirs and now people will be seeing some ridiculous Deductibles that will have to be paid up front too.
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

I just lost my insurance as a result of Obamacare.

5 years ago, I had a major medical plan that was $99 a month. Then I switched jobs and got a comprehensive plan that was $350 ish a month on my end ($500 ish more on their end). Next, I've lost comprehensive, pay closer to $600 a month and I'm back to a major medical plan.

The difference is the media doesn't care about you because your situation does not further their agenda
 
Re: Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Pass

Aaaaah
wow.gif
.....like all things in the end. The truth comes out. Actually came out last year but the MS media had a lot of other things to cover. Now it comes back around for BO's next enrollment period. There you have it.....this MIT guy calling the American Voter stupid, and how they had to do BO care to get it passed. It was like most on the Right were saying all along. Now a BO bot admits to it......thinking nothing can be done to repeal BO care and Put BO on a direct confrontation with the People.

With the Republicans winning the Senate.....and having the house. They can repeal. Sure BO can veto.....and now SCOTUS will see there was a deliberate intention to deceive the CBO and the American people. All over BO's wealth distribution plan. Some have said the Repubs shouldn't......but for all of them. They ran on the issue BO care. All across the country. That was the American people talking. Now they expect a return upon their votes.




Meet Jonathan Gruber, a professor at MIT and an architect of Obamacare. During a panel event last year about how the legislation passed, turning over a sixth of the U.S. economy to the government, Gruber admitted that the Obama administration went through "tortuous" measures to keep the facts about the legislation from the American people, including covering up the redistribution of wealth from the healthy to the sick in the legislation that Obamacare is in fact a tax. The video of his comments just recently surfaced ahead of the second open enrollment period for Obamacare at Healthcare.gov.

"You can't do it political, you just literally cannot do it. Transparent financing and also transparent spending. I mean, this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes the bill dies. Okay? So it’s written to do that," Gruber said. "In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in, you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed. Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical to get for the thing to pass. Look, I wish Mark was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not.".....snip~

Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The "Stupid" American People to Get It Passed - Katie Pavlich


Here is BO in 2009.....knowingly knowing he was lying to the American people. That he had lied to the CBO and SCOTUS. How do you think this will affect BO's team that is in the court with a couple of issues already? Should the Republicans now go forward with the Repeal of BO care?



That's very disturbing and more than a little upsetting.

I am one of the healthy ones, although I am over 50 (so my premiums are high). I am lucky, I guess. But I also try to live a healthy lifestyle. I take the position that it's within my control whether I get obese, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. But because of I'm one of the healthy ones, I have extra tacked onto my premium to pay for the ones who are sickly and turn in high claims.

That is waht the ACA guy said. The healthy ones would pay for the sick ones. But they didn't tell the public that.

Also, Obama compared the ACA to auto insurance. With auto insurance, if you turn in claims, your premiums go up. It is not up to those NOT turning in claims to pay higher premiums because of your higher claims. That's not the case with the ACA. You can turn in high claims, and your cost is distributed among the other payees, even the ones who turned in few or no claims.

Very upsetting.

As for repeal, no Republicans are talking about it. I think a lot of their constituents like the ACA (overweight older southerners, many rural). But Obama would just veto any repeal. Besides, it would be a hardship to businesses and others to try to end it abruptly. It would need to be phased out, like it was phased in. THIS they could maybe do. Pass a few modifications that maybe, just maybe, Obama could be convinced not to veto.
 
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