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But first...it has to work.
The wind energy industry has been recieving government subsidies for decades and is STILL losing money.
The first US rockets fell down as they were being launched. The investment proved fruitful.
Sadly, you are right. (BTW, you got mail)The neocons didn't expect the Iraqis to fight back. After all they had no navy or airforce, We destroyed all that in the first Gulf war. They thought it would be a cakewalk.
"I can't tell you if the use of force in Iraq today would last five days, or five weeks, or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that."
--Donald Rumsfeld, November 14, 2002
"It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months"
-- Donald Rumsfeld, February 7, 2003
"I think it will go relatively quickly. Weeks rather than months."
-- Dick Cheney, March 16, 2003"
Dick Cheney on War & Peace
Do you prefer sacrificing our young men and women to keep affordable oil flowing to our shores? How much did the Iraq war cost taxpayers? $3 trillion they say with the long term care required for the wounded and maimed.
STFU! That's supposed to be a secret.Of course not, but theres no need to given the abundance of domestic oil. We get more oil from canada and mexico than the middle east.
And for fuel economy, unless we use more nuclear, electric cars are not the answer. He's putting the cart before the horse. He needs to be putting that money towards investing in power technology. We need to learn how to generate the power to operate electric cars better, not work on the electric cars. We have brown outs in CT every year, because our power companies can't keep up with current electricity consumption. I shudder to think what will happen is everyone here drove electric cars, lol.
He's right that we need to throw some money at R and D, but he's throwing it in the wrong direction.
Even though the US/Canada grid reaches peak capacity in many places, many times a year, believe it or not that is not the barrier to plug-in electric cars. The solution (IF one is going to use electric cars - and for urban use, it actually makes sense) is to charge at night. That is accommodated by demand billing rates that make it far more economical to charge during off-peak hours. The missing link, as it were, is some kind of load shedding scheme to protect regional distribution from overload - and plug-ins during peak hours would be a good target - both for very high cost near peak and shedding when peak exceeds capacity.And for fuel economy, unless we use more nuclear, electric cars are not the answer. He's putting the cart before the horse. He needs to be putting that money towards investing in power technology. We need to learn how to generate the power to operate electric cars better, not work on the electric cars. We have brown outs in CT every year, because our power companies can't keep up with current electricity consumption. I shudder to think what will happen is everyone here drove electric cars, lol.
He's right that we need to throw some money at R and D, but he's throwing it in the wrong direction.
The constitution is supreme to modern day laws. If you think its outdated and doesnt address something, there is a process to amend it.
Of course not, but theres no need to given the abundance of domestic oil. We get more oil from canada and mexico than the middle east.
As long as there are plastics on a car, and paint on a car, foam in the seats of the car, vinyl, faux leather, cloth, rubber, etc...cars are not weaning off of oil.
We have this obsession with gasoline, like it's the main use for oil.
It's not. It's not even close. We should try weaning water bottles off of oil first, then work our way UP to cars, lol.
We haven't produced as much oil as we consume since 1971, regardless of who was in control of the government. Canada and Mexico also consume more oil than they produce.
"45% of all oil used in the U.S. goes to gasoline, which means we consume in excess of 180 million gallons of gasoline a day."
Top 16 uses of petroleum
Which unfortunately, in today's politically polarized times, doesn't work. That's one part of the Constitution that is outdated.
We haven't produced as much oil as we consume since 1971, regardless of who was in control of the government. Canada and Mexico also consume more oil than they produce.
And yet those two are are major foreign suppliers of oil for us here in the US. Canada being our number one foreign supplier.
Wrong, you didnt do your research. Canada produces 3.6 million barrells a day, but only consumes 2.2 million. Mexico produce 2.9 million but only consumes 2.1 million. The US is the third largest oil producer in the world. With a lot more off limits. So, theres no need to send soldiers off to secure it elsewhere. Hey look, we agree!
You took me to task when I asked about your initial 49% figure (I said I'd seen 43 to 47%). Okay, so 45%. And a similar amount being used for plastics. As people prove to be resistent to massive changes in their fuel supply, why not make the changes in plastics and achieve the same reduction you're after? I know we developed usable bio-plastics in the 70s, government funded.
I'm all for using bio plastics. But show me your source that says the US uses 45% of it oil to make plastic?
EIA cannot determine exactly the amount of crude oil produced in the United States (U.S.) that is consumed, as refined products, in the U.S. However, the majority of the crude oil produced in the U.S. is refined in U.S. refineries. The U.S. also produces other liquids that are used in the refining process that are added or blended with the refined products. In December 2012, the U.S. produced about 7.03 million barrels of crude oil per day and imported about 7.58 million barrels per day.
EIA is not able to track how much domestically produced crude oil and other liquids are exported in the form of refined products. The small quantity of crude oil produced in the U.S. that is exported, nearly all to Canada, may actually be returned to the U.S. as refined products.
The U.S. became a (slight) net exporter (exported more than we imported) of refined petroleum products in 2008. Refined petroleum products produced in the U.S. from both domestic and imported crude oil are exported to other countries. The volume of net exports of refined products in December 2012 was equivalent to about 8.5% of the total volume of U.S. petroleum consumption in December 2012.
Plastic bags are made from oil: it takes about 430,000 gallons of oil to produce 100 million plastic bags, and the U.S. goes through 380 billion of them a year.
A statistics class at Indiana U did the math: more than 1.6 billion gallons of oil are used each year for plastic bags alone. The more we use plastic bags, the more we waste oil.
Well, then start pumping your private funds into a project and make us all look like fools, it's such a great idea. Whatcha' waitin' on?
Which deviates from what I said. The Space Race was publicly funded.
And, if it was such a groovy idea, the oil companies would have already cornered the market
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