Obama uses EO to sign 23 completely useless big government actions.

[Misterveritis]

According to their site "Dismayed by the lack of marksmanship shown by their troops, Union veterans Col. William C. Church and Gen. George Wingate formed the National Rifle Association in 1871. The primary goal of the association would be to "promote and encourage rifle shooting on a scientific basis," according to a magazine editorial written by Church.

Where does it say they were formed to teach the African Americans to shoot?

It's a Constitutional Right not a Civil Right. Those are two different things.
Now answer my question. Where is the NRA listed as a Civil Rights Organization? There's nothing on their site that says they are a Civil Rights Organization that I can find.

Yours is an astounding statement. Do you believe your rights flow from government? Do you have a right to life? Does it come from government?

 

[BMCM]

It documents how the NRA trained black men to defend themselves against the KKK.

The link you provided was for a movie or film. No where in it did I see the NRA mentioned. Perhaps I missed it, could you be kind enough to show me where then NRA was mentioned?

 

[BMCM]

Earlier I wrote, "The NRA is a civil rights organization. Are you opposed to civil rights?"


Of course the NRA is a civil rights organization. Can you think of any civil right greater than your right to life? Do you believe their defense of our Second Amendment right to defend ourselves and thus protect our lives, our property and our culture is subversive?

I have no problem with the NRA and no where did I say they were a subversive organization, that's just your panties getting all twisted.
What I said is that the NRA is not a civil rights organization. Look it up. Look up the definition of what a civil rights group is and the NRA does not fit in. Look up a list of the civil rights organizations in the country and the NRA is not on the list. If you want to beleave they are a civil rights group that's fine, it's simply not true but you can beleave it if you want.

 

[Misterveritis]

I have no problem with the NRA and no where did I say they were a subversive organization, that's just your panties getting all twisted.
What I said is that the NRA is not a civil rights organization. Look it up. Look up the definition of what a civil rights group is and the NRA does not fit in. Look up a list of the civil rights organizations in the country and the NRA is not on the list. If you want to beleave they are a civil rights group that's fine, it's simply not true but you can beleave it if you want.

Do you believe that the right to protect yourself is a civil right? Yes? Or no?
Do you believe you have the right to defend yourself? Yes? Or no?
Is there any right that you have that is more important to you than your right to your life? Yes? Or no?

Do you believe that all wisdom is found on some government list?

The NRA is our most important civil rights organization because they defend our most important civil right.

 

[BMCM]

Do you believe that the right to protect yourself is a civil right? Yes? Or no?
Do you believe you have the right to defend yourself? Yes? Or no?
Is there any right that you have that is more important to you than your right to your life? Yes? Or no?

Do you believe that all wisdom is found on some government list?

The NRA is our most important civil rights organization because they defend our most important civil right.

1) yes, 2) yes, 3) Not so much, there are things and people that I would give up my life for. Would you not put yourself between your family and harm? Yes? or No?
4) not all wisdom is found on some government. But that's where you need to go to find out about laws, regulations, charters and such. Educate yourself and look up the laws and charters that civil rights organizations have to follow and you will see that the NRA does not fit, they are not set up as a civil rights organization. You may not like it or beleave it but that's the way it is.

 

[TurtleDude]

Stripping you of your rights? Well, perhaps if gun owners would stop lying and acting like big babies then perhaps the adults might leave them alone. After all, somebody has to change their diapers or they'd crap all over the constitution and turn this country into a giant s--t hole.

the real liars are those who claim that

1) their disgusting desire to harass gun owners is actually designed to stop criminals

2) that a 10 round limit is not a stepping stone to a 7 round limit (which is what we claimed the last time the turds imposed a limit)

3) that somehow hassling people like us will deter criminals

 

[TurtleDude]

LOL I know, it's your argument thrown back at you. You are doing what you accuse me of...so now, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. lol

you cannot do what I do. You see I actually understand this issue inside and out. You have demonstrated you have no clue about either the weapons you bloviate over or the laws you think need changing

 

[TurtleDude]

Can you show me where it's listed as a Civil Rights Organization. I looked, I see the American Civil Liberties Union,Amnesty International,Human Rights Watch and a whole list of other Civil Rights Organizations but the NRA is not listed that I see anywhere.

Here's a history of the NRA taken from their site. I didn't see anywhere where it was concerned with teaching African Americans how to shoot.

NRA Online Membership

who is doing the listing-far left whack jobs?

 

[Misterveritis]

Earlier I wrote,
"1. Do you believe that the right to protect yourself is a civil right? Yes? Or no?
2. Do you believe you have the right to defend yourself? Yes? Or no?
3. Is there any right that you have that is more important to you than your right to your life? Yes? Or no?

4. Do you believe that all wisdom is found on some government list?

The NRA is our most important civil rights organization because they defend our most important civil right."

1) yes, 2) yes, 3) Not so much, there are things and people that I would give up my life for. Would you not put yourself between your family and harm? Yes? or No?
4) not all wisdom is found on some government. But that's where you need to go to find out about laws, regulations, charters and such. Educate yourself and look up the laws and charters that civil rights organizations have to follow and you will see that the NRA does not fit, they are not set up as a civil rights organization. You may not like it or beleave it but that's the way it is.

If you are unwilling to defend yourself then you are not trustworthy enough for anyone else to depend upon you to protect their lives.

Do you believe the government must have you on a list for you to be our most important civil rights organization? What is more important than your right to defend yourself, to save your own life in the face of violence from others including from our government?

You admonish me to educate myself. I am willing to compare our relative efforts if you like. I think I will compare favorably with anyone who is roughly my age or younger.

 

[BMCM]

Earlier I wrote,
"1. Do you believe that the right to protect yourself is a civil right? Yes? Or no?
2. Do you believe you have the right to defend yourself? Yes? Or no?
3. Is there any right that you have that is more important to you than your right to your life? Yes? Or no?

4. Do you believe that all wisdom is found on some government list?

The NRA is our most important civil rights organization because they defend our most important civil right."



If you are unwilling to defend yourself then you are not trustworthy enough for anyone else to depend upon you to protect their lives.

Do you believe the government must have you on a list for you to be our most important civil rights organization? What is more important than your right to defend yourself, to save your own life in the face of violence from others including from our government?

You admonish me to educate myself. I am willing to compare our relative efforts if you like. I think I will compare favorably with anyone who is roughly my age or younger.

I answered this in post 280, you may have missed it.
Where did I say I wouldn't or couldn't defend myself. I do have a carry permit, I don't carry every time I leave the house, just depends on where I'm going or what I'm doing. I'm 60, spent 25 years in the U.S.Navy EOD retired it 96 so yea, I've been around the block a time or two. I never said anything bad about the NRA, I'm not a member but I'm not one to join organizations, I'm not a member of the old folks organization either. I simply said that the NRA does not fit the legal definition of a civil rights organization. To continue to call them a civil rights organization is simply not true.

In case you don't know, my user name BMCM stands for Boatswain Mate Master Chief. E-9 that's the highest rank an enlisted person can acheave

 

[Dammitboy!]

I'm 60, spent 25 years in the U.S.Navy EOD retired it 96 so yea, I've been around the block a time or two. In case you don't know, my user name BMCM stands for Boatswain Mate Master Chief. E-9 that's the highest rank an enlisted person can acheave

Proving that just because you get old and stayed in one job forever does not make you smart or knowledgeable. You can't spell 'achieve', and your complete lack of knowledge about how the NRA went into the segregated South and helped black people defend themselves against the KKK is shameful.

The right to self-defense is a civil right. A group that defends this right would be by default a civil rights organization. Your inability to comprehend this probably has nothing to do with your age or time spent in the Navy.

 

[Moot]

you cannot do what I do. You see I actually understand this issue inside and out. You have demonstrated you have no clue about either the weapons you bloviate over or the laws you think need changing

LOL I don't think I could live with myself if I did what you do. I've stated many times I don't care about guns and I don't want to see them banned...but I do want to see them regulated and out of the hands of irresponsible, dishonest, mentally ill people. And I have to tell ya, TD it's really starting to look like there's a whole lotta legal gun owners out there that fit that description to a tee.

the real liars are those who claim that

1) their disgusting desire to harass gun owners is actually designed to stop criminals

2) that a 10 round limit is not a stepping stone to a 7 round limit (which is what we claimed the last time the turds imposed a limit)

3) that somehow hassling people like us will deter criminals

No, the real liars use slippery slope fallacies and have to lie about the other sides argument and then pretend they aren't the real harrassers.

 

[TurtleDude]

LOL I don't think I could live with myself if I did what you do. I've stated many times I don't care about guns and I don't want to see them banned...but I do want to see them regulated and out of the hands of irresponsible, dishonest, mentally ill people. And I have to tell ya, TD it's really starting to look like there's a whole lotta legal gun owners out there that fit that description to a tee.

No, the real liars use slippery slope fallacies and have to lie about the other sides argument and then pretend they aren't the real harrassers.

your attitude is destroy everyones' rights in the hope of affecting criminals the most

that's stupid

but you are the harasser-you want the government to punish people for owning guns

and no one believes your lies that when gun haters get some limitations they stop there

Cuomo proved that

tell us what motivated a 7 round limit when the shootings that caused his egogasm were 30 round guns both obtained illegally

 

[Dammitboy!]

I've stated many times I don't care about guns...

Perhaps you should care enough to educate yourself so you could participate in an informed debate, instead of looking foolish?

 

[TurtleDude]

Perhaps you should care enough to educate yourself so you could participate in an informed debate, instead of looking foolish?

Then she wouldn't be anti gun. have you seen any anti gun posters who appear educated on this issue?

 

[BigRedChief]

The NRA is our most important civil rights organization because they defend our most important civil right.

You of course are allowed to voice your opinion despite its flawed logic because of the most important right humankind has ever embraced, free speech.

The right to stand up in public and say the President sucks is way more important to a democracy than having a gun to protect you from someone wanting to steal your TV.

 

[Dammitboy!]

I see stupid people posting stupid crap everywhere. I've never seen so much fail

 

[Moot]

Perhaps you should care enough to educate yourself so you could participate in an informed debate, instead of looking foolish?

Well, if an ad hominem attack is your idea of an educated, informed debate, then I'm really not too worried about looking foolish.

 

[BMCM]

Proving that just because you get old and stayed in one job forever does not make you smart or knowledgeable. You can't spell 'achieve', and your complete lack of knowledge about how the NRA went into the segregated South and helped black people defend themselves against the KKK is shameful.

The right to self-defense is a civil right. A group that defends this right would be by default a civil rights organization. Your inability to comprehend this probably has nothing to do with your age or time spent in the Navy.

WOW, now we have the spellin police. is it not my civil right to missppell a word if i want to. Why are you trying to control peoples spellin
I didn't see anywhere on the NRA's site that said anything about going into the segregated South and helped black people defend themselves against the KKK. Perhaps I missed it, can you link to it.

 

[BigRedChief]

Then she wouldn't be anti gun. have you seen any anti gun posters who appear educated on this issue?

I've been an advocate of the 2nd amendment my whole life. I'm not in favor of banning assault weapons, limiting magazines/clips etc. But, I don't own a gun or hunt.

I don't need to understand the difference between a magazine and a clip to understand the constitution is clear on this issue.

 

[Dammitboy!]

WOW, now we have the spellin police. is it not my civil right to missppell a word if i want to. Why are you trying to control peoples spellin
I didn't see anywhere on the NRA's site that said anything about going into the segregated South and helped black people defend themselves against the KKK. Perhaps I missed it, can you link to it.

You have a right to be as ignorant as you wish. Find your own link.

 

[Dammitboy!]

Well, if an ad hominem attack is your idea of an educated, informed debate, then I'm really not too worried about looking foolish.

I've read enough of your posts to know you don't worry about looking foolish...

 

[BMCM]

You have a right to be as ignorant as you wish. Find your own link.

Just what I thought, another one that can't back up their statements. You won't provide a link because you know your wrong.

 

[Moot]

I've read enough of your posts to know you don't worry about looking foolish...

ow


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[Moot]

Just what I thought, another one that can't back up their statements. You won't provide a link because you know your wrong.

They never back anything up. They only come here to harrass and create mayhem.