Obama under pressure to prove Russian interference in election

[Renae]

[FONT=&quot]The Obama administration is under intense pressure to release evidence confirming Russian interference in the presidential election before leaving office.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The administration up until now has provided little documentation to back up its official October assessment that the Russian government was attempting to interfere in the U.S. election. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Nor has it corroborated subsequent leaks from anonymous officials contending that the CIA believes the campaign was an attempt by Russian President Vladimir Putin to ensure [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Donald Trump[/FONT][FONT=&quot]’s victory. [/FONT]

Obama under pressure to prove Russian interference in election | TheHill

Looks like Russia is putting the screws to the Obama bull**** claims system of doing business. I find that amusing as hell.

 

[eohrnberger]

Obama under pressure to prove Russian interference in election | TheHill

Looks like Russia is putting the screws to the Obama bull**** claims system of doing business. I find that amusing as hell.

Quite right, I'd say. After all . . . .

Obama administration prepares sanctions, retaliation for Russian election meddling

Obama Said to Ready Sanctions on Russian Officials for Hacking

And I have yet to hear of some sort of presentation to the foreign intelligence committee which should oversee this issues / topic.

It'd be pretty ****ing stupid of him to start a CyberWar over something the Russian's didn't do, but then, when the narrative and ideology supersedes facts and reality, there's no telling what might happen next.

But then, on the other hand, Obama had no problem instigating a UN resolution against a long standing ally of the US, and then insulting them about it, so there's no telling what he might do. (Is it any wonder why the rest of the US allies are nervous about this guy? Probably saw what we are now seeing from the very first).

 

[joG]

Obama under pressure to prove Russian interference in election | TheHill

Looks like Russia is putting the screws to the Obama bull**** claims system of doing business. I find that amusing as hell.

It would be very surprising indeed, if it were not true. The Russians have been attacking us and the EU at a number of levels in a nonlinear war. One main aim is to undermine the system legitimacy of the enemy. So, why would it seem absurd to believe a war criminal would not pursue his goals?

 

[Mac77]

It would be very surprising indeed, if it were not true. The Russians have been attacking us and the EU at a number of levels in a nonlinear war. One main aim is to undermine the system legitimacy of the enemy. So, why would it seem absurd to believe a war criminal would not pursue his goals?

I would rather know when and how the US government is going to catch up to our enemies at cyber war

This is embarraing and obama should be ashamed to admit he is so incompetent at protecting our secrets

 

[chuckiechan]

It's pretty swarmy that he suddenly grows a spine with 23 days to go. Is China and Turdistan next to feel his wrath.

Bottom line is Obama us trying to settle scores and at the same time, make Trump's governance as difficulty as possible.

Thanks Obama! Don't let the screen door hit you in the ass on the way out!

 

[MAGAnificent]

Until clear evidence is shown, I am not buying the Russian hacking claims. Obama claimed to have such ev[idence several months ago and did nothing about it during all that time leading up to the election. and judging by the way the supposedly hacked information kept flowing out, I don't buy that hacking was the source. Much of the information leaked by WikiLeaks was very up to date. In some cases days to weeks. That does not happen when someone is hacked, especially if the government claims to have known about it. When you know you have been hacked, you immediately take steps to secure your network. I believe that the leaks were from a DNC insider pissed over how Bernie Sanders was treated. And if Hillary had won, we would not be hearing about alleged Russian hacking. Imposing sanctions on Russia without backing up the claims with evidence will only result in Russia responding in kind.

 

[Erod]

Meanwhile, the U.S. has been hacking Russia for Obama's entire term.

Let his temper tantrum continue.

Voters rejected you, weakling.

 

[Mac77]

Until clear evidence is shown, I am not buying the Russian hacking claims. Obama claimed to have such ev[idence several months ago and did nothing about it during all that time leading up to the election. and judging by the way the supposedly hacked information kept flowing out, I don't buy that hacking was the source. Much of the information leaked by WikiLeaks was very up to date. In some cases days to weeks. That does not happen when someone is hacked, especially if the government claims to have known about it. When you know you have been hacked, you immediately take steps to secure your network. I believe that the leaks were from a DNC insider pissed over how Bernie Sanders was treated. And if Hillary had won, we would not be hearing about alleged Russian hacking. Imposing sanctions on Russia without backing up the claims with evidence will only result in Russia responding in kind.

It is not possible to have evidence as we normally understand the term

All obama can do is run out some hack at the CIA to give us an opinion

 

[Paperview]

Confirmed
Russia Hacked
US Government Report 13 pages
https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296.pdf …

 

[bubbabgone]

Obama under pressure to prove Russian interference in election | TheHill

Looks like Russia is putting the screws to the Obama bull**** claims system of doing business. I find that amusing as hell.

Yeah ... what's with the automatic buy-in without evidence?
Until something more concrete presents itself why the hell should we accept anything.
Why would anyone think our own intelligence services can't be politicized at the highest level. (e.g. John Brennan)
I'm curious who on either side has actually seen any evidence or if they're just repeating third hand claims.
With each repetition it becomes more streamlined and definitive until it's in the zeitgeist as accepted fact.
There's too much of it and susceptibility to it is high.
Other subjects are handled the same way ... climate change, for example ... that one especially.

Maybe Trump is wise to use timely Twitter posts to combat what the media has become used to doing without challenge.
But if he does keep doing it he had better choose his words carefully or they get too easily turned against him.

 

[bubbabgone]

Confirmed
Russia Hacked
US Government Report 13 pages
https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296.pdf …

What the hell does this mean?

DISCLAIMER: This report is provided “as is” for informational purposes only. The Department of Homeland
Security (DHS) does not provide any warranties of any kind regarding any information contained within.

I didn't see anything that indicated they were able to attribute motivation for the hacking. Other than being a pain in the ass. There's a lot of that happening across the internet by all manner of creatures.

 

[Paperview]

This is going to be atough one for the Trump humpers....

Speaker of the House:

Paul Ryan: 'Overdue' Sanctions 'Appropriate Way to End Eight Years of Failed Policy With Russia' http://bit.ly/2hzZP08

99 Senators believe Russia was involved

 

[bubbabgone]

Confirmed
Russia Hacked
US Government Report 13 pages
https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296.pdf …

In spring 2016, APT28 compromised the same political party, again via targeted spearphishing.
This time, the spearphishing email tricked recipients into changing their passwords through a
fake webmail domain hosted on APT28 operational infrastructure. Using the harvested
credentials, APT28 was able to gain access and steal content, likely leading to the exfiltration of
information from multiple senior party members. The U.S. Government assesses that information
was leaked to the press and publicly disclosed.

I believe that one was Podesta's account ... we had already heard he got phished and how.
This report put a handle on it.
A quick scan of the report shows it's still using descriptors such as "likely".
I'm guessing that the Russians aren't using any techniques that aren't available to anyone else ... including us.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Confirmed
Russia Hacked
US Government Report 13 pages
https://www.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/publications/JAR_16-20296.pdf …

That report says the DNC was hacked. The DNC is not the US government and is not responsible for election results or tabulation.

Maybe the DNC should strive to be as transparent as they claim they are.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Do you believe your President or theirs? Think about what that means before knee-jerking.

 

[bubbabgone]

Do you believe your President or theirs? Think about what that means before knee-jerking.

That'll require a spreadsheet to determine an answer.

 

[SenorXm/Sirius]

I'm an old man, I remember the Cold War, the USSR, all the satellite wars between 'us and them', etc. and now Putin is trying to bring back the old USSR and the Russian dictatorships.

So never in my life I thought I'd see the day when Conservatives especially would be excusing and defending anything, or anyone Russian. I remember when some Liberals would defend Russia the Cons would call them commies, and traitors and pinkos. lol Now because of politics it's all changed.

My God!! How far the Conservatives in this country have fallen. Even if it means defending a butcher like Putin their ideology now is nothing more than to hate anything and anyone that's not conservative.

 

[Renae]

Yeah ... what's with the automatic buy-in without evidence?
Until something more concrete presents itself why the hell should we accept anything.
Why would anyone think our own intelligence services can't be politicized at the highest level. (e.g. John Brennan)
I'm curious who on either side has actually seen any evidence or if they're just repeating third hand claims.
With each repetition it becomes more streamlined and definitive until it's in the zeitgeist as accepted fact.
There's too much of it and susceptibility to it is high.
Other subjects are handled the same way ... climate change, for example ... that one especially.

Maybe Trump is wise to use timely Twitter posts to combat what the media has become used to doing without challenge.
But if he does keep doing it he had better choose his words carefully or they get too easily turned against him.

It did work for Benghazi...

 

[Renae]

I'm an old man, I remember the Cold War, the USSR, all the satellite wars between 'us and them', etc. and now Putin is trying to bring back the old USSR and the Russian dictatorships.

So never in my life I thought I'd see the day when Conservatives especially would be excusing and defending anything, or anyone Russian. I remember when some Liberals would defend Russia the Cons would call them commies, and traitors and pinkos. lol Now because of politics it's all changed.

My God!! How far the Conservatives in this country have fallen. Even if it means defending a butcher like Putin their ideology now is nothing more than to hate anything and anyone that's not conservative.

We're not, we're asking for something more concrete, considering this Administrations inability to be honest, that's not absurd.

 

[bubbabgone]

I'm an old man, I remember the Cold War, the USSR, all the satellite wars between 'us and them', etc. and now Putin is trying to bring back the old USSR and the Russian dictatorships.

So never in my life I thought I'd see the day when Conservatives especially would be excusing and defending anything, or anyone Russian. I remember when some Liberals would defend Russia the Cons would call them commies, and traitors and pinkos. lol Now because of politics it's all changed.

My God!! How far the Conservatives in this country have fallen. Even if it means defending a butcher like Putin their ideology now is nothing more than to hate anything and anyone that's not conservative.

Interesting point.
You're right that back then Conservatives were "us" while the USSR and their Liberal defenders were "them".
These days, as Putin is looking to reconstitute the USSR, they absorb Crimea and, essentially, Ukraine.
Conservatives were screaming about that and Obama wasn't inclined to do anything.
Maybe politics really HASN'T changed after all.

 

[Abbazorkzog]

Did Russia force Hillary to not campaign in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc.? Did Russia force the DNC to rig the primaries against Bernie Sanders?

If you answered 'no' to any of these, then it isn't Russia that is the problem.

 

[bubbabgone]

It did work for Benghazi...

Right ... another example.
That one had a shorter shelf life and resulted in embarrassing denials still being made today.

 

[Renae]

Did Russia force Hillary to not campaign in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc.? Did Russia force the DNC to rig the primaries against Bernie Sanders?

If you answered 'no' to any of these, then it isn't Russia that is the problem.

I think we can agree on those points.

 

[Thoreau72]

It is not possible to have evidence as we normally understand the term

All obama can do is run out some hack at the CIA to give us an opinion

A handful of NSA whistleblowers, Thomas Drake, William Binney, Kirk Weibe, Diane Roark an a few others disagree with you on that point.

Who shall I believe?

 

[Mac77]

A handful of NSA whistleblowers, Thomas Drake, William Binney, Kirk Weibe, Diane Roark an a few others disagree with you on that point.

Who shall I believe?

All any of them can offer is an opinion

There is no actual evidence for or against