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Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue


That's your opinion, but even job security in today's world is worth something. Giving busniess all the cards will not make things better. Again, the only way to appease business enough, espeically big busniess, is to work for nothing, do away with benefits, and pay them to stay. There's a book by a former Michigna governor I heard about last, showing that giving business everything didn't work. They left anyway. But, I'll look for that later.

The fact is demonizing workers who tried to work together to make things better, while ignoring the greed and poor decisions of business says somethign about the person doing that than it does unions. Tone it down a bit. Quit seeing everyone who sees it differently as the enemy or crooks or any other such label.
 

I point again to the answer. Are you saying if it is not the one you want, that would say you're right, then you won't count it as an answer? Seriously, you want to go with that?

:lamo
 
j-mac said:
Making a "good wage" at the expense of expanded job force, and a current employee pool that works to the least productive level without fear of losing their job is what produced this turd
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Yes, in some ways unions have become beasts. But is it any worse than the corporate beast that will keep you on just right before they would have to pay some pension or retirement and then let you go?

Seems you are just wanting to tie up one beast and let the other one roam around destroying things in different ways.
 

What you do not seem to get is that WORK RULES are more of a reason why unions have fallen out of favor. You want to make this about wages only which I think you know is untrue.

Work rules are like government regulations. By that I mean we certainly need some so business does not get out of control. However it is also important to understand that we need sensible regulations or work rules, make sure that we make sure the rules are followed. But if in the case of business it creates to much featherbedding then it works for neither the company nor the worker long term.
 
apdst said:
How the hell does Obama know how high is too high? :lamo
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Why is there the little green emoticon at the end of a rather ridiculous and terrible unfunny statement?
 
haymarket said:
Why is there the little green emoticon at the end of a rather ridiculous and terrible unfunny statement?
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I think he is laughing at the incredible ineptness of boy blunder-Obumble the magic Kenyan
 

I get that completely, but the anger is misguided. Negoiate better. Much of those work rules were given in lue of pay. This was business' way of saying I don't want to pay more. And yet, the venom always seems to be spewed in one direction.
 

jealous, right? let me tell you something.....the workers who retire after working the line for 30 deserve every penny they get. the company contracted with those workers, period.

and you absolutely have no ****ing clue what you're talking if you think all union workers couldn't succeed without the union. in fact, some of them are pretty smart......working hard but for a pension and health benefits when they retire.
 
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It was conservatives of the time who wanted the status quo, it was the liberals who sought revolution.
 
It was the Wall Street gang who brought our economy to near collapse, just like in 1929.
 
You talk about facts, but you haven't given any. How about this source?
The Tax Foundation - Obama and Gibson Capital Gains Tax Exchange
 
randel said:
if making a good wage and getting decent benefits is 'mediocre'...ok, i'm cool with that....UAW AND PROUD OF IT
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Conservative/libertarians think low wages make a thriving economy - it does just the opposite.
 
pbrauer said:
Conservative/libertarians think low wages make a thriving economy - it does just the opposite.
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nah liberals want artificially high wages for union members at the expense of others

unsustainable wages that send jobs overseas
 
SC must be a right-to-work-for-less state.
 
TurtleDude said:
nah liberals want artificially high wages for union members at the expense of others

unsustainable wages that send jobs overseas
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Sending jobs overseas make corporate profits higher/CEO's compensation bigger. Retail prices of products sold is determined by supply and demand principles.
 
pbrauer said:
SC must be a right-to-work-for-less state.
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How much less will Boeing workers in SC than those in Washington???

You seem to think you have all the answers, now's your chance.
 
Boo Radley said:
Nothing feigned. I find it sad you had to be told. That's plain and simple.
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wrong, its you who felt that way--its a common tactic of the left-to assume airs of adulthood and try to pretend superior maturity which is hilarious because leftwing philosophy is one of faux parenthood dominating millions of needy children. LIberalism appeals to those who want to remain children and those who want to be their pretend parents
 
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