• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Obama Socialist Health care program....


Patriot is a state of being.. when it becomes either movement or excuse it is inherently dangerous.. this is why you heard so much about it from the progressives last Sunday!

(damn you're reasonable for a lib )
 
Patriotism is an ideological label that easily discredits people's stances by just dismissing them as someone who isn't pro-status quo and pro-everything nationalist
 


what he said...PROPS Vance
 
Navy Pride said:
Bill they have not won ****.......Don't give up my friend.........As a great Yankee once said, "Its not ovver until its over."
Click to expand...

....It was over when the North won kid.
 

Er, funny, I thought we had some amendments that listed things the government couldn't do?

I'm going to assume you mean COMMON defense, which is in the same sentence as General Welfare.

I'm going with health care easily as part of general welfare.
 
Deuce said:
Er, funny, I thought we had some amendments that listed things the government couldn't do?
Click to expand...
The bill of rights protects certain rights from actions by the government in regard to powers that it may or may not have.

The 10th amendment states that powers not granted to the government rest with the states and/or the people.
Thus, if a power is not given to the federal government, it remains with the states/people.
That, alone, necessitates that the federal government is limited to the powers specified in the Constitution.

I'm going to assume you mean COMMON defense, which is in the same sentence as General Welfare. I'm going with health care easily as part of general welfare.
Click to expand...
Article I Sec 8:1 gives the power to tax and spend, not create legislation that provides for the common defense or the general welfare -- the 17 clauses that follow do that.
In those clauses, there's no power to do anything with health care (or education or retirement or...)

See:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/gover...96-general-welfare-clause.html#post1058615579
 
Last edited:

The majority of health care is already paid out by the government. rof

Therefore we cannot with any accuracy or integrety label our system as a market system.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Menu
Log in
Register
Cookies are required to use this site. You must accept them to continue using the site. Learn more…