Obama Press Conference with Netanyahu

[Conservative]

Revising the Hamas charter is their only bargaining position...

LOL, Hamas will never revise their Charter for they need to live peace and their kids more than they hate Israel. Waging was is a lot easiery than governing.

 

[mbig]

Yes the King Of Jordan did, he had the West Bank as legally under international law Jordan still owned that land. It was given to the Palestinians in 1988.The whole of the international community recognize that transfer except Israel.One more thing Israel did not give anybody the Gaza strip as they never legally owned it, all Israel did was leave there as they were told to by the UN.

Really?
Another Che beauty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_West_Bank_and_East_Jerusalem_by_Jordan

"...Jordan’s annexation was widely regarded as illegal and void by the Arab League and others, including Israel.[11][12][13][14] Elihu Lauterpacht held that Jordan’s occupation of the area west of the Jordan "entirely lacked legal justification".[15] The move formed part of Jordan’s "Greater Syria Plan" expansionist policy,[16] and in response, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon and Syria joined Egypt in demanding Jordan’s expulsion from the Arab League.[17][18] A motion to expel Jordan from the League was prevented by the dissenting votes of Yemen and Iraq.[16] On June 12, 1950, the Arab League declared the annexation was a temporary, practical measure and that Jordan was holding the territory as a “trustee” pending a future settlement.[19][20] On July 27, 1953, King Hussein of Jordan announced that East Jerusalem was "the alternative capital of the Hashemite Kingdom" and would form an "integral and inseparable part" of Jordan.[21] In an address to parliament in Jerusalem in 1960, Hussein called the city the "second capital of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan".[22]

Only the United Kingdom formally recognized the annexation of the West Bank, de facto in the case of East Jerusalem.[23] The United States Department of State also recognized this extension of Jordanian sovereignty.[24][25] Pakistan is often claimed to have recognized Jordan's annexation too, but this is dubious.[26][27]

Perhaps a bit more research/less extreme partisanship would help.

Despite [another] clear rebuttal, Last word no doubt to follow.

 

[Che]

Really?
Another Che beauty.

Occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem by Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Perhaps a bit more research while cutting down post count would help.

Despite clear rebuttal, Last word no doubt to follow.

Already covered this.I suggest you go back a few posts for my reply.I would post you a link but I cannot be bothered.As I have stated the King of Jordan gave that land to the Palestinians in 1988 and now it is recognised as Palestinian land by the UN,USA,EU and the International court of justice..I provided links for all those as well.So if that is all you could come up with then it is not much as I have already covered it in previous post it is a bit lame of you to bring it up again like you have made some outstanding discovery, when the fact is you have not.

So as before I have proven that the land now belongs to the Palestinians and you lot trying to rewrite International law is not going to work.

Ah what the hell I think I will be nice to you so here is a link to my previous post covering this.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middl...s-conference-netanyahu-26.html#post1059506181

 

[The Prof]

What Obama stated in his speech didn't stay much, if at all, from US policy of the last 30years.

obama's position 2011 doesn't even agree with obama's position 2008

"jerusalem must remain the capital of israel and it must remain undivided"

"any agreement with the palestinian people must preserve israel's identity as a jewish state, with secure, recognized and defensible borders"

"we must isolate hamas unless and until they renounce terrorism"

Transcript: Obama's Speech at AIPAC : NPR

obama's arab spring address offered nothing new---LOL!

 

[xpiher]

obama's position 2011 doesn't even agree with obama's position 2008

"jerusalem must remain the capital of israel and it must remain undivided"

"any agreement with the palestinian people must preserve israel's identity as a jewish state, with secure, recognized and defensible borders"

"we must isolate hamas unless and until they renounce terrorism"

Transcript: Obama's Speech at AIPAC : NPR

obama's arab spring address offered nothing new---LOL!

You are hopeless because you are incapable of actually reading/listening to what Obama said. You are ideologically opposed to Obama so anything he says/does is wrong.

 

[The Prof]

characteristically, the klutz is trying to take it all back

"my position has been misrepresented several times"

"if there's a controversy it's not based on substance"

we will "negotiate a border that is different than the one that existed on june 4, 1967"

"to account for the changes that have taken place over the last 44 years, including the new demographic realities on the ground and the needs of both sides"

Obama elaborates on '67 lines - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

what a wimp

"what I did on thursday was to say publicly what has long been acknowledged privately"

well, you idiot, in the tight wired and wound up world of middle east diplomacy, saying things publicly is a pretty dramatic escalation

ask jimmy carter

 

[The Prof]

You are ideologically opposed to Obama so anything he says/does is wrong.

tell it to george mitchell

 

[xpiher]

characteristically, the klutz is trying to take it all back

"my position has been misrepresented several times"

"if there's a controversy it's not based on substance"

we will "negotiate a border that is different than the one that existed on june 4, 1967"

"to account for the changes that have taken place over the last 44 years, including the new demographic realities on the ground and the needs of both sides"

Obama elaborates on '67 lines - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

what a wimp

"what I did on thursday was to say publicly what has long been acknowledged privately"

well, you idiot, in the tight wired and wound up world of middle east diplomacy, saying things publicly is a pretty dramatic escalation

ask jimmy carter

His position hasn't changed. You are hopeless.

 

[The Prof]

tell it to george mitchell

 

[Conservative]

His position hasn't changed. You are hopeless.

Why such loyalty to Barack Obama? Read his speech in 2008 and read the one he gave on Thursday. You still say there is no difference? I cannot believe the loyalty to this empty suit. Prof hs the documentation, take heed or be held accountable for your own failures. The Obama cult is a complete failure and the results show it.

 

[xpiher]

Why such loyalty to Barack Obama? Read his speech in 2008 and read the one he gave on Thursday. You still say there is no difference? I cannot believe the loyalty to this empty suit. Prof hs the documentation, take heed or be held accountable for your own failures. The Obama cult is a complete failure and the results show it.

Its not loyalty to Obama, its loyalty to the truth.

 

[EarlzP]

characteristically, the klutz is trying to take it all back

"my position has been misrepresented several times"

"if there's a controversy it's not based on substance"

we will "negotiate a border that is different than the one that existed on june 4, 1967"

"to account for the changes that have taken place over the last 44 years, including the new demographic realities on the ground and the needs of both sides"

Obama elaborates on '67 lines - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com

what a wimp

"what I did on thursday was to say publicly what has long been acknowledged privately"

well, you idiot, in the tight wired and wound up world of middle east diplomacy, saying things publicly is a pretty dramatic escalation

ask jimmy carter

Are you blind and deaf or do you just believe what you want to believe? Quote from President Obama's speech " We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 alliance with mutually agreed swaps"

How long do we continue to give foreign aid to Israel and Palestein before we demand they negotiate.

 

[Conservative]

Its not loyalty to Obama, its loyalty to the truth.

If that were true you would recognize the difference between the two speeches as well as the speech on Thursday vs. the Bush letter. You have done neither.

 

[Conservative]

Are you blind and deaf or do you just believe what you want to believe? Quote from President Obama's speech " We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 alliance with mutually agreed swaps"

How long do we continue to give foreign aid to Israel and Palestein before we demand they negotiate.

How do you negotiate with a group whose charter is to wipe you off the face of the earth? Do you start by defining which city goes first?

 

[xpiher]

If that were true you would recognize the difference between the two speeches as well as the speech on Thursday vs. the Bush letter. You have done neither.

Because there isn't a difference. Starting point =/= end point. Your hatred for Obama is making you blind.

 

[The Prof]

" We believe the borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 alliance with mutually agreed swaps"

i know

he was misrepresented

LOL!

How long do we continue to give foreign aid to Israel and Palestein before we demand they negotiate.

ask mitchell

 

[The Prof]

Because there isn't a difference.

absolutely, he only stated publicly what he'd acknowledged privately

LOL!

 

[Conservative]

Because there isn't a difference. Starting point =/= end point. Your hatred for Obama is making you blind.

The Obama results should make anyone hate his performance. I don't hate the guy as he seems like a good family man but a lousy leader with zero experience as his resume showed. Anyone that disagrees with him hates him in your world and that simply is a lie. The blind people are his supporters and if you see no difference between the two speeches you are in that group.

 

[The Prof]

why did obama put himself in a position on friday of being rebuked to his chin stroking face in front of all the world on live tv by his prime player saying "it's not going to happen, everyone knows it's not going to happen"

why did he put himself in a position where on sunday he has to go before aipac to aver, i've been misrepresented, i only said publicly what i acknowledged privately

he's a rank amateur

ask mitchell

heck, ask HILLARY

http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/17/obamas-indecision-on-libya-has-pushed-clinton-over-the-edge/

 

[xpiher]

The Obama results should make anyone hate his performance. I don't hate the guy as he seems like a good family man but a lousy leader with zero experience as his resume showed. Anyone that disagrees with him hates him in your world and that simply is a lie. The blind people are his supporters and if you see no difference between the two speeches you are in that group.

Like I said hopeless. There isn't any difference between the two statements.

why did obama put himself in a position on friday of being rebuked to his chin stroking face in front of all the world on live tv by his prime player saying "it's not going to happen, everyone knows it's not going to happen"

why did he put himself in a position where on sunday he has to go before aipac to aver, i've been misrepresented, i only said publicly what i acknowledged privately]

Because people like you freak out when ever Israel isn't given everything.

 

[The Prof]

LOL!

did mr mitchell freak out?

ms hillary?

 

[Conservative]

Like I said hopeless. There isn't any difference between the two statements.




Because people like you freak out when ever Israel isn't given everything.

The Obama Administration loves people like you who always buy the rhetoric and never verifies it.

 

[EarlzP]

The Obama Administration loves people like you who always buy the rhetoric and never verifies it.

Fact verification is a useless process with the political right ie: Republican Party, Conservativism, Libertarianism, Fascism,the Nazi Party and now the radical tea baggers is that the truth has no bearing and no place in their mind set, their motto is tell a lie often enough and the ignorant blind followers of the right will believe it to be the truth, in fact most of the right believes any BS that they hear from their rulers

 

[Conservative]

Fact verification is a useless process with the political right ie: Republican Party, Conservativism, Libertarianism, Fascism,the Nazi Party and now the radical tea baggers is that the truth has no bearing and no place in their mind set, their motto is tell a lie often enough and the ignorant blind followers of the right will believe it to be the truth, in fact most of the right believes any BS that they hear from their rulers

Please provide proof that anything I have posted is false and that I take marching orders from anyone else. Prove that I have accepted any lie told by the "right." Seems to me that facts are whatever the left wants them to be as the left will totally ignore the campaign speech of 2008 and then distort the speech he gave on Friday and then claim they were the same. That is a downright lie and if you buy it then your description is of yourself.

 

[solletica]

Thanks for your post which shows the anti Israel bias that exists in this country and my point previously made that Hamas represents the view of the majority of Arabs including their Charter which calls for the elimination of Israel. Apparently in your world words don't matter and words are simply posturing.

They don't, esp. when the threat has zero credibility. HAMAS couldn't destroy Israel even if it wanted to, so it's all hot air. Hot air should be ignored.

I find it disturbing that anyone would support a group of people who proposing wiping another country off the face of the earth

I don't support them any more than I support any other group, such as Israel. That's the Libertarian position--to not tax people and/or run up deficits to take sides in a foreign conflict.

Running up huge taxes/deficits to sponsor terrorist groups (i. e. IDF, Contras, etc.)) is a traditional conservative practice.